music.....is it bad

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*Originally posted by PakCanada: *
BROTHER no point in arguing ur point over and over again it is will of ALLAh. u go ahead and listen to music jsut like me but jsut remember it is haraam. and if u are bothered by reading quran in a melodic "musical" manner than read it in a different tone.
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I'm not bothered by hearing the Quran in a musical fashion. I think it's absolutely beatiful. Also, no I don't believe music to be haraam either.

phir to aap ka ALLAH hi janay.

Fret Wizard :rolleyes:

MELODY DOES NOT NECCESARILY EQUAL MUSIC

It doesn’t matter how a dictionary defines melody or any other word. Dictionaries change with time, they are not a divine book or anything, lol…

Your argument for saying music is allowed is very very weak, laughable even…

Allah mian ye wala excuse nahi accept karney waley…

I use to come up with excuses like this justify haraam stuff when i was 12 :hehe:

It's like saying adultery is allowed because we can "do it" after marriage and we get the same feeling from it weather in wedlock or not...

Religion's not a joke based on our own feelings and opinions, we have to refer to the Quran and Sunnah for what is allowed and what is not...

salam

no re..........

Actually, your excuses for justifying that music is wrong are rather childish and molded for your own purpose. Music IS melody and you cannot deny that the Azaan and the recitation of the Holy Quran are musical in nature. Saying that it isn’t “musical” is saying that all music isn’t musical. If that’s the case, then music isn’t haram since it isn’t music right?

Also my question has not been answered. Why is the Azaan and Quran recited musically? And don’t say it isn’t melodic or musical because that is simply being ignorant.

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*Originally posted by Fret Wizard: *

Huh?? Are you saying Melody doesn't equal music? Then tell me, what is the definition of melody?
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Maybe the mollahs should be handed a thesauras in their next jihadi chanda... Its obvious, music = melody...

Now those saying melodies are allowed and music is haraam, sorry to say Fret Wizard, you are too good to be wasting your time arguing with them.

Then tell us musical guru, what is melody, and what is music?

Melody has not been forbidden musical instruments have been made forbidden, not by any Mullah or me but by Allah and his Prophet (peace be upon him) and I don’t know the reason why (not that it matters, if They say its forbidden then it is wrong, no matter what I think).

Recognising our sins is the first step to reforming ourselves. Obviously we’re not Angels we sin now and then and I never claimed to be a perfect Muslim myself but we should accept our sins as sins and hope to repent from then once. I just get angry when people try changing religion to suit their needs.

Khair… No point in arguing with you. You are using ‘common sense’ and I am using words of the Prophet (peace be upon him)… So we’re not arguing on common ground…

its Haram :nono4:

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*Originally posted by Saif-ul-Islam: *
Melody has not been forbidden musical instruments have been made forbidden
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Musical instruments create melody. The human voice is an instrument as well, which creates melody such as that used in the recitation of the Quran and Azaan. The duff (which is a musical instrument) is allowed, why?

This argument is going nowhere. people need to prove their point not by proving other person's point wrong but by finding something that can back ur own point.

btw, melody is music and duff is the Only instrument not haram in my knowledge.

Like I said before I don't know because I didn't make these rules up, If Allah or his Messenger (peace be upon him) say something I accept it as being perfect and true without arguing against it, sadly I might sometimes end up doing something against it and that makes me sinful but giving my own opinions preference over what Allah or his Prophet (peace be upon him) have said will make me an apostate (God forbid).

We don’t always understand the wisdom behind Allah Almighty’s orders because we don’t have the intellect to see the wisdom behind them.

How do you know that listening to music produces the same affect on our soul as listening to Quran does?

Are you saying Allah (the Exalted) and his Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) have contradicted themselves by ordering us to read Quran in a melodious voice and at the same time forbidding musical instruments? If yes then to you be your religion and to me mine...

As far as I know the duff is only allowed for women at Eid’s and stuff. I could be wrong.

Music is melody but not all types of melody is music.

Reciting Quran and calling Azan in a melodious and sweet voice is not music.

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*Originally posted by Saif-ul-Islam: *
How do you know that listening to music produces the same affect on our soul as listening to Quran does?
Are you saying Allah (the Exalted) and his Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) have contradicted themselves by ordering us to read Quran in a melodious voice and at the same time forbidding musical instruments? If yes then to you be your religion and to me mine...
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Don't put words in my mouth. I simply said that music isn't haraam since it is clearly used in religious recitation. It really isn't to difficult to understand. When did I say Allah has contradicted himself and that listening to music produces the same affect on my soul as listening to the Quran does? I simply said that the recitation of the Holy Quran musically (which it is) is simply beautiful.

And when did you make up that warped definition? :hehe:

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*Originally posted by Saif-ul-Islam: *
As far as I know the duff is only allowed for women at Eid’s and stuff. I could be wrong.
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Regardless, it is an instrument, and it is allowed. Care to explain?

I’m not the one who decides what is forbidden and what is not and I don’t know the reasons why Allah has allowed something and forbidden another thing or allowed it at one time and disallowed it at another, I’m not a scholar (or a Mullah as you like to call them) I’m just another gunahgaar Muslim. I just accept the Lord's orders as perfect.

Like I've said before we’re not arguing on common ground therefore this argument is going to go no where because you decide what is wrong and what is right based on what you think and how some dictionary shareef defines something and I base my views on what the Quran and Sunnah say.