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WHY CAN’T MUSIC BE GOOD? YES MUSIC IS A GOOD THING. GEE ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW EVERYTHING SOMEONE WROTE 1400 YEARS AGO WHO DID NOT HAVE A UNIVERSITY EDUCATION. GET OVER LIVING IN THE MENTALITY OF 1400 YEARS AGO. IF YOU WANT TO LIVE LIKE 1400 YEARS AGO THEN RETURN THE LANDS TO THEIR STATUS OF 1400 YEARS AGO.

RATHER have music than a mad mullah’s and his crazy clerics instigating suicide bombers and keeping women suppresed under a burqa. gee , let me wash the perfume from my body, and take off my jewelry and remove the clogs from me feet so I can be a woman suppressed by a man like 1400 years ago. And while I am at it , I own two dogs who live in the house with my family. The troubIe seems that Islam has more rules about what people can not to that is enjoyable and what is wrong with women and how they should behave, think and act and be controlled by a man and kept save by a man. Well they did not act llike mad rapists at the sight of a leg perhaps you would not have to write that stuff and control women like that. Civilization has evolved , men can’t be like troglodytes of 1400 years ago , perhaps it men who have not evolved under Islamic faith. If they had , you would realize how much suppression is practiced against women in the name of Islam. See like its all pro MALE , but it is very much a partiarchal religion and not based on matriachal equality. Hardly any mention about a man as he gets to run around with capri pants on and have four wives. who’se get jipped here? Seems like questioning anything is a sin in Islam , well Allah has not struck me dead and he knows me better than any . And I will continue to sing, dance and listen to music. BUt my singing really is bad.

Perhaps if the Taliban and the people who believe in their 1400 years ago mentality got together , listened to some soothing music, played with dogs and danced with women they would go home happier and wouldn’t have the melancholic, depressed existence which has begotten envy and jealousy to the point of seething murderous rage . Rather hear the song, BOOM BOOM, welcome to my ROOM, then BOOM BOOM suicide bomber blows himself up at a market with women and children. as long as they were women and little girls who cares?

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lol, i stopped reading after "1400 years ago the man didn't even have university education" :D

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U mean quit following Quran and Sunnah?

Because Quran has not changed since its revelation.

And you call yourself Muslim? On a rather sincerely curious note, Does a prophet have to have been educated at a uni to be a prophet?

Thanks....and no thanks!

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BBC is not the scale to measure the “good” music does for a muslim society.

How about you posting from a islamically relevant site for once on the issue. It’s really sad to see you can’t post a single link from a muslim website that shares your view on this issue.

Here i’ll do the deed, please pardon me. But here’s what is and isn’t permissible:

**Is Music Haram? Is Music Halal? Music, Haram or Halal? **

         In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 
          
          All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. 

First of all, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you have in us. We hope our efforts meet your expectations.

Given that your objection revolves mainly around music and why it is permissible, here is the clarification for that in the light of fatwa issued by **Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi **:

The whole issue of singing is controversial, whether it is with musical accompaniment or not. Some issues succeeded to gain the Muslim scholars’ agreement, while others failed. All scholars have unanimous view on the prohibition of all forms of singing and music that incites debauchery, indecency, or sin. As for musical instruments, given the weakness of the evidence indicating that they are forbidden, the rule to be applied here is the one states that all things are originally deemed permissible as long as there is no Shari`ah text that prohibits them.

Singing is no more than melodious words; if these are good, singing is considered good; but if they are bad, such singing is deemed bad. Talk that contains forbidden content is prohibited. What if that talk is accompanied with rhythm and melody?

Scholars agree on the permissibility of singing without instrumental accompaniment and where the content is not prohibited. This sort of singing is allowed only in certain occasions such as: weddings, feasts, welcoming a traveler, and the like. This is based on the hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) that states: “He (peace and blessings be upon him) asked, ‘Have you given the girl (i.e., the bride) anything as a present?’ They (the attendants) replied, ‘Yes.’ He asked, ‘Did you send a singer along with her?’ ‘No’, said `A’ishah. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) then said, ‘The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing: Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.’" In this case, we can say that a woman can sing only in front of women and her non-marriageable male kin.

In the subject of musical instruments, scholars disagree on the matter. Some of them permit all sorts of singing, be it accompanied with musical instruments or not, and even consider it recommended. A second group of scholars permit singing only when is not accompanied with a musical instrument. A third group declare it to be prohibited whether it be accompanied with a musical instrument or not; they even consider it as a major sin. In supporting their view, they cite the hadith narrated by Imam Al-Bukhari on the authority of Abu Malik or Abu Amir Al-Ashari (doubt from the sub-narrator) that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, ‘From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk (clothes), the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.’ Although this hadith is in *Sahih * Al-Bukhari, its chain of transmission is not connected to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and this invalidates its authenticity. Ibn Hazm rejects it for that very reason. Moreover, the sub-narrator, Hisham Ibn `Ammar is declared ‘weak’ by many scholars of the Science of Hadith Methodology.

Besides, this hadith does not clearly prohibit the use of musical instruments, for the phrase ‘consider as lawful,’ according to Ibn Al-`Arabi, has two distinct meanings:

*First *: Such people think all these (the things mentioned) are lawful.

*Second *: They exceed the proper limits that should be observed in using these instruments. If the first meaning is intended, such people would be thus disbelievers.

In fact, the hadith in hand dispraises the manners of a group of people who indulge themselves in luxuries, drinking alcohol and listening to music. Therefore, Ibn Majah narrates this hadith from Abu Malik Al-Ash`ari in the following wording: "From among my followers there will be some people who will drink wine, giving it other names while they listen to musical instruments and the singing of female singers; Allah the Almighty will make the earth swallow them and will turn them into monkeys and pigs.” (Reported by Ibn Hibban in his *Sahih *)

**Conclusion on Permissibility of Musical Instruments **

In the light of the above, it is clear that the religious texts that stand as a basis for those who maintain that singing is *haram * are either ambiguous or inauthentic. None of the hadiths attributed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is valid as evidence on the judgment of prohibition. Moreover, all these hadiths are declared ‘weak’ by the followers of Ibn Hazm, Malik, Ibn Hanbal, and Ash-Shafi`i.

In his book, *Al-Ahkam *, Al-Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-Arabi says, “None of the hadiths maintaining that singing is prohibited are considered authentic (by the scholars of the Science of Hadith Methodology).” The same view is maintained by Al-Ghazali and Ibn An-Nahwi in *Al-Umdah *. Ibn Tahir says, “Not even a single letter from all these Hadiths was proved to be authentic.”

Ibn Hazm says, “All the hadiths narrated in this respect were invented and falsified.”

**Proofs of Those Who Maintain that Singing is *Halal *: **

*First *: The Textual Proofs:

They base their argument on some authentic hadiths of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). One of these hadiths is the following:

A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated: “Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him, came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath (a story about the pre-Islamic war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Awus). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) laid down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, ‘Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)?’ Thereupon, Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) turned his face towards him and said, ‘Leave them.’ When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signaled to those girls to go out and they left.” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

This indicates that these two girls were not so young as claimed by some scholars. If they were, Abu Bakr would not have been angry with them in such manner. In addition, in this hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) wanted to teach the Jews that Islam has room for merriment and that he himself was sent with a moderate and flexible legislation. There is also another important lesson to learn here. It draws our attention to the fact that one needs to introduce Islam to others in a good fashion, along with displaying its moderateness and magnanimity.

Moreover, we can also cite as corroborating this Allah’s words that read, “But when they spy some merchandise or pastime they break away to it and leave thee standing. Say: That which Allah hath is better than pastime and than merchandise, and Allah is the best of providers.” (Al-Jumu`ah: 11)

In this verse, Allah Almighty joins pastime with merchandise. He does not dispraise any of them, He just only rebuked the Companions who left Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone giving the *khutbah * (Friday Sermon), when they all rushed to attend to the caravan and beating of the drums celebrating its arrival.

*Second *: In Respect of Islam’s Spirit and Basics:

It is a fact that Allah had prohibited for the Children of Israel some of the good things of this worldly life as a punishment for their misdeeds.

He says, “Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews, We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah’s way. And of their taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people’s wealth by false pretences. We have prepared for those of them who disbelieve a painful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 160-161)

Before sending Prophet Muhammad, He Almighty referred to him in the earlier scriptures as, “Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul.” (Al-A`raf: 157)

Thus, Islam left nothing good or sound but declared it to be *halal * (lawful). This is a sign of mercy to this Ummah (nation or community), moving along the line of its comprehensive and eternal message. Allah Almighty says, “They ask you (O Muhammad) what is made lawful for them. Say: (all) good things are made lawful for you.” (Al-Ma’idah: 4)

If we are to delve deeply into this matter, we will find that love for singing and melodic voices are almost a human instinct. We can observe an infant lying in his cradle soothed and sleeping by the sound of a lullaby. Mothers and nannies are always in the habit of singing for babies and children. Moreover, birds and animals respond to nice voices and rhythmic melodies.

Thereupon, if singing is thus a human instinct, it is not for Islam to defy humankind’s instincts. Islam came to refine and promote the human instinct. Ibn Taymyiah says, “Prophets were sent to polish and discipline man’s instinct and not to change or modify it.” This is pursuant to the hadith that reads, “When Allah’s Messenger came to Madinah, he found them (i.e., the people of Madinah) celebrating two days. He said, ‘What are these days?’ They replied, ‘We used to rejoice in these days during the pre-Islamic era.’ He (peace and blessings be upon him) said, ‘Verily, Allah Almighty has given you two alternative days which are much better: these are Al-Adha and Al-Fitr days (`Eids).'” (Reported by Ahmad, Abu Dawud and An-Nasa’i)

Moreover, if singing is to be considered rejoicing and play, these are not *haram *; this is in pursuant to the famous idea that man needs some time to relax a bit and rejoice. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said to Hanzalah who thought himself to be a hypocrite for his attendance to his wife and children and the change that affected him when he was apart from Allah’s Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), “O Hanzalah! Part of your time should be devoted (to the worldly affairs) and part of time (should be devoted to prayer and meditation).” (Reported by Muslim)

`Ali Ibn Abu Talib says, “Amuse yourselves for some time, for if hearts are exposed to too much strain, they turn blind.”

Abu Ad-Darda’ said, “I refresh myself with some amusement in order to make myself stronger on the path of right.”

Imam Al-Ghazali answered someone who asked him: “Isn’t singing some kind of play and rejoice?” He said, “Yes. But, all that exists in this present life is mere play and rejoice. All that takes place between a husband and his wife is play, except sexual intercourse that is the direct cause of reproducing children. This has been reported from Allah’s Messenger and his honorable Companions.”

In fact, leisure time is refreshing to the heart and alleviates its tensions at the same time. Excessive strain and efforts render the heart bored and blind. Amusing the self refreshes and renews its strength and vigor. One who continuously works hard at something should take a break for a while in order to restore and regain his energy and firm will lest he totally collapses in future. When one takes a break, he thus restores his strength and vigor. Only Prophets can stand absolute seriousness. Having leisure time is a form of treatment for diseases of the self, weariness and boredom. But, leisure should not be excessive. This will go against the whole issue of rejoicing hearts to make them able to go on.

One who is familiar with and experienced in the nature of the human heart and self knows for certain that recreation and relaxation are necessary treatments for one’s well-being.

These proofs on the permissibility of singing are extracted from the texts and rules of Islam, and these are sufficient to clarify the issue.

In addition to this, the people of Madinah, who were very pious and God-fearing, the Zahiriyyah, who were very literal regarding the textual proofs, and the Sufis, who were very strict and rigid, were all quoted to have declared the permissibility of singing.

Imam Ash-Shawkani says in his book “ *Nayl Al-Awtar *”, “The people of Madinah and those who agreed with them from among the Zahiriyyah and the Sufis maintain that singing is permissible, even when it is accompanied by a musical instrument such as the lute or the flute. Abu Mansur Al-Bughdadi Ash-Shafii narrate that Abdullah Ibn Jafar saw nothing wrong in singing, and he, himself, used to compose the music for his own slaves who used to sing these melodies in his presence. This took place during the time of Commander of the Faithful, Ali Ibn Abi Talib. Abu Jafar Al-Bughdadi narrates the same after Al-Qadi Shurayh, Said Ibn Al-Musaiyb, Ata' Ibn Abu Rabah, Az-Zuhri and Ash-Shibi.”

Ar-Ruwaiyani narrates on the authority of Al-Qaffal that Malik Ibn Anas maintained that singing with musical instruments is permissible. Also, Abu Mansur Al-Furani quotes Malik as maintaining that playing the flute is permissible.

Abu Al-Fadl Ibn Tahir narrates, “The people of Madinah never disputed over the permissibility of playing the lute.”

Ibn An-Nahwi narrates in his “ *Al-`Umdah *”: “Ibn Tahir said, ‘The people of Madinah showed consensus over this (issue). Also, all the Zahiriyyah maintained the same.'”

Al-Mawardi attributes the permissibility of playing the lute to some of the Shafii followers and students. This has been narrated also by Abu Al-Fadl Ibn Tahir after Abu Ishaq Ash-Shirazi; and it is narrated by Al-Isnawi after Ar-Ruwaiyani and Al-Mawardi. Again, this is narrated by Al-Adfuwi after Sheikh Izz Ad-Deen Ibn Abd As-Salam. It is also narrated after Abu Bakr Ibn Al-Arabi.

All these scholars consider singing that is accompanied by musical instruments permissible, but as for singing that is not accompanied by musical instruments, Al-Adfuwi says, “In some of his jurisprudence-related books, Al-Ghazali narrates the consensus of the scholars on its permissibility." Also, Ibn Tahir narrates the consensus of the Prophet’s Companions and those who succeeded them on this very topic. Ibn An-Nahwi states in *Al-`Umdah * that singing and listening was deemed permissible by a group of the Companions and the Followers.

**Conditions and Terms: **

There are some conditions and terms that should be observed regarding listening to singing, as follows:

  1. Not all sorts of singing are permissible. Rather, the permissible song should comply with the Islamic teachings and ethics. Therefore, the songs praising the tyrants and corrupt rulers disagree with Islamic teachings. In fact, Islam stands against transgressors and their allies, and those who show indifference to their transgression. So, the same goes for those songs that imply giving praises to such attitude!

  2. Also, the way the song is performed weighs so much. The theme of the song may be good, but the performance of the singer – through intending excitement and arousing others’ lusts and desires along with trying to seduce them – may move it to the area of prohibition, suspicion or even detest. The Glorious Qur’an addresses the wives of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) saying, **“O you wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech." ** (Al-Ahzab: 32) So, one has to show caution to music when there is softness of speech accompanied with rhyme, melody, and special effects!

  3. Singing should not be accompanied with something that is prohibited such as alcohol, nakedness, mixing of men with women that is common in pubs and nightclubs, etc.

  4. Islam has declared excessiveness as prohibited in everything. The same goes for excessiveness in leisure and recreation even though these things are permissible ! This indicates that the emptiness of the mind and heart has to be observed and tackled during man’s short-term life. One should know that Allah Almighty will ask every one about his life and his youth in particular.

There are some things in which one is to be his own judge and Mufti. If there is some kind of singing that arouses his own lust or desire, and takes him away from the real life, he should avoid it then and block that very gate from which the winds of trial and seduction may come and erase his religion, morals and heart. If he does this, he will live in peace and tranquility.

**Warning against playing with the word “ *haram *” **

To conclude, we address the respectful scholars who tackle the word “ *haram *” easily and set it free in their writings and fatwas that they should observe that Allah is watching over them in all that they say or do. They should also know that this word “ *haram *” is very dangerous. It means that Allah’s Punishment is due on a certain act or saying, and should not be based upon guessing, whims, weak Hadiths, not even through an old book. It has to be supported by a clear, well-established text or valid consensus. If these last two are not found, then we revert the given act or saying to the original rule: “permissibility governing things”. We do have a good example to follow from one of our earlier pious scholars. Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: “It was not the habit of those who preceded us, the early pious Muslims, who set good example for the following generations, to say, 'This is *halal *, and this is *haram *. But, they would say, ‘I hate such-and-such, and maintain such-and-such, but as for *halal * and *haram *, this is what may be called inventing lies concerning Allah. Did not you hear Allah’s Statement that reads, **'Say: Have you considered what provision Allah has sent down for you, how you have made of it lawful and unlawful? Say: Has Allah permitted you, or do you invent a lie concerning Allah?” ** (Yunus: 59) For, the *halal * is what Allah and His Messenger made lawful, and the *haram * is what Allah and His Messenger made unlawful.

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Mentality was different 1400 years ago. Texts were written after Mohammad died how do you really know everything was verbatim when it has been admitted not everything was written down. And to top it off , men had power over women, do you think its conincidental that much is written how to control a woman? and used specifically as religious revelation? Just the way Taliban and mad clerics have used the Quran, hadiths, and sunnahs to suppress and fear monger people for their own personal control.

And when one spends all the time cloaked in religion he automatically becomes limited in knowledge of the arts, philosophy, theatre, literature etc etc. Music has been used in all forms even the slaves used music as a form of rebellion. Great singers have sung against theocratic goverments and suppression. The people who want to control you will used religion to suppress freewill and freedom of thought. THe Taliban used it for control and censorship and suppression.

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Control? Seriously!

Quran outlines the rights for both men and women. If the people go around violating the rights of each other, it's the people's fault. Not the Book or the Messenger or His teachings.

Mentality maybe much different now, but it is the Faith that should remain steadfast. Clearly, you can see there aren't that many "practicing" muslims around, why do you think that is? Maybe they've not read the Book, or they glance over it and don't follow it. If muslims tried to be more like Muslims and less like nonmuslims, half, i believe more than half the problems Muslims are having with other religions right now, would just vanish. Just like that. Because Islam teaches tolerance.

What you have today are muslims (including myself, i'm not perfect) who either know what they're doing is wrong and continue doing it in ignorance or they just simply have forgotten the way of Islam for a muslim. The same goes for communities and nations that are supposedly muslim.

Music is a multi-dimensional issue, right?!...It cannot be ruled as Halal or Haram outright. Because there are types of music(s) and instruments which are allowed and then there are types of music(s) and instruments which are prohibited. People sang at the weddings in the day of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), and that was fine.

You have to look closely at what the music is preaching, that is and can/should be objectable. Even with a simple logic, from a non-religious p.o.v. you can see why that makes sense.

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The biggest hypocrisy is those who declare music is Haram. Yes you use muslim religion to suit you, however , if you truly believed music is Haram then you would know posting an image is also Haram. Even the use of emoticons.

AH , we admit people sung during weddings, then don't paint it as if all music is forbidden. I am aware that rap is crap, gangsta rap and much other music of today but you must admit Barbra Streisand, Yosefa, Frank Sinatra , Spice Girls are entertaining and they don't sing about killing, killing and baby mama's ala gangsta life. If we wanted to follow everything like 1400 years ago , lets move back into caves, give up the internet, cell phones, credit cards, airplanes, piano, violin , swimming, tennis, Harry Potter, Encyclopedias. Heck, lets get every girl in the world out of school while we are at it also.

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I didn't say Music is all haraam. Please read my last post.

And there is a ruling on pictures and smileys, etc..as well.

Anything drawn with the hand is questionable; whereas, the use of Camera is not, and therefore is allowed.

I don't want to derail this thread from its core topic. But if you open a thread in religion, i'll be sure to contribute, inshaAllah. :)

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Methinks your are flipping and flopping all over the map. Do you know really what you think?

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Well me thinks you find it hard to swallow facts when they face you. From the get-go i didn’t say Music was ALL haraam. However, the type of music and the message it conveys can be both healthy or very dangerous.

Trust me, i’m not perfect but i know what i know. Do You?

Weren’t you the one that went around saying Hirsi should be every Muslim female’s role model? :rotfl:
Did you not know Hirsi has denounced Islam and became an Atheist?! :slight_smile: I’ll leave it at that…and by pointing that out, it’s pretty apparent who knows what around here.

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Teggy we know your are not perfect. Stop repeating it ad nauseum. And it wasn’t me who said Hirsi should be every Muslima’s model. Your statement that type of music can be healthy or very dangerous is a meaningless generality. That applies to anything and everything. Tell us something we don’t know.

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If you say so.

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Why is hand drawn questionable and picture taking not?

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I heard that in a lecture by a scholar.

But here’s what i found on the issue of drawing and there are atleast three different opinions:

Today there are a number of Islamic illustrated books and animated cartoons on the market for children. Due to the prohibition of image making in Islamic Law, people have differing opinions about how to approach these media.

Animated cartoons are, when referred to the corpus of Islamic Law, a recent development. Therefore, we do not find it being addressed in the classical Islamic legal literature, though we occasionally find what could give us an indication of its ruling.

Before exploring the Islamic ruling for animated cartoons, we must first discuss the ruling for drawing pictures.

With respect to depicting human and animal life, scholars of Islamic Law present a spectrum of opinion, running the gamut from those who view all image-making to be lawful to those who categorically prohibit all drawings of animal life.

The First Opinion:

Some scholars hold the view that image making is essentially lawful. It is permissible to make two-dimensional illustrations as well as three-dimensional statues. The scholars who hold this view argue that the texts that prohibit image making are to be understood in the context of the state the people were in at the advent of Islam. The people had just emerged from the times of ignorance and from idolatry. After people became distanced from the worship of images, the prohibition was no longer necessary. This is why we see in some history books that when the Muslims opened up the lands of the Persians and Romans, they did not interfere with the pictures and statues found there.

The Second Opinion:

Some scholars hold the view that all images are unlawful, make two-dimensional illustrations as well as three-dimensional statues. They base their argument on the apparent meaning of a number of texts. These include the following:

`Â’ishah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The people who will be most severely punished on the Day of Resurrection will be those who aspire to create like Allah.” *Sahîh al-Bukhârî *(5954) and *Sahîh Muslim *(2107)]

Ibn ``Abbâs relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Every image maker is in the Fire. For each image he made, a being will be fashioned to torment him in Hell.” *Sahîh al-Bukhârî *(2225) and *Sahîh Muslim *(2110) – The wording accords with al-Bukhârî]

Abû Talhah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or images representing (people or animals).” Sahîh al-Bukhârî (3225) and *Sahîh Muslim *(2106)]

The Third Opinion:

Other scholars hold a view that is intermediate between the former two. They argue that only three-dimensional images are prohibited. Those are the images being referred to by hadîth like “Every image maker is in the Fire.” They argue that only the manufacture of three-dimensional images can possibly be described as “aspiring to create like Allah.”

Moreover, statues and not illustrations are the objects that people are most likely to take as objects of worship.

The drawings and illustrations to be found on cloth, on paper, and decorating walls are, therefore, not objectionable.

After considering all of the evidence, the opinion that appears to be the strongest of the three is the last opinion. The reasons why it is the strongest opinion are as follows:

  1. The question of a person aspiring to create like Allah is really a question of that person’s intent. It is an action of the heart and it is tantamount to unbelief. A person who acts with such intent is in a state of unbelief, regardless of whether he is making replicas of animals or of inanimate objects like trees, rocks, rivers, or mountains.

This is the reason for the prohibition against the image making in the hadîth. This is the reason why the image makers are being cursed. This is clarified by another hadîth where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Allah says: ‘Who does a greater wrong than one who aspires to creates as I create – a grain of corn, a seed, or a barleycorn?” *Sahîh al-Bukhârî *(7559) and Sahîh Muslim (2111) – The wording accords with al-Bukhârî]

Therefore, if the reason for the prohibition is that of aspiring to create like Allah creates, then the subject matter is irrelevant. It makes no difference if the image is that of an animal or an inanimate object.

  1. The manufacture of statuary is unlawful because this activity is only carried out in order to aggze the subject. Such aggzement poses a danger of veneration and worship. The same can be said for photographs of prominent people when those photographs are erected high up in prominent places to be honored. In this case, such pictures become most certainly unlawful.

The story of Noah’s people and how their making of statues in commemoration of their pious forebears led to their idolatry is clear proof of this danger. In our day and age, we see the pictures of many people displayed in public places for the purpose of false veneration.

When we look at the generality of the statement – “Every image maker is in the Fire” –such a general statement cannot literally apply except to a great sin. This sin is that of willfully and intentionally aspiring to create like Allah. The word “every” that begins this sentence is the strongest word for indicating generality. Since it is then annexed to the indefinite noun “image maker” it linguistically indicates that generality is intended. The sentence is similar in structure to Allah’s words: “Every soul shall taste of death.” Sûrah Âl `Imrân: 185]

When we look at the phrase – “those who aspire to create like Allah” – the term “aspire” here indicates a challenge. It means that these image makers are fashioning images in order to imitate Allah’s creative abilities and to present a challenge to Allah.

We see in another hadîth related by Ibn `Abbâs that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Those people who make these images in this world will be punished on Day of Resurrection. They will be commanded to breathe life into what they had created.” Sahîh al-Bukhârî (5951) and Sahîh Mulsim (2108)]

This specifies for us the meaning of “Every image maker is in the Fire” and the other hadîth mentioned above. All of the hadîth about image making refer to the intent of image maker to aspire to create like Allah.

We find in the texts mention of many other major sins that are certainly worse that the making of images – like adultery, taking usury, and abusing parents – without it being declared that the perpetrators of those sins are consigned to the Fire, like we find in “Every image maker is in the Fire”. This should make it even clearer to us that those who make images without the intention of aspiring to create like Allah are not included in the generality of the hadîth’s meaning. Rather, the hadîth applies to all of those who have the intention of aspiring to create like Allah.

  1. If we look at the statements of the Pious Predecessors, we can see that they understood the texts about image making to be merely a severe warning against what is sinful rather than a direct prohibition. For instance, when a man who was a professional image maker came to Ibn Abbâs asking him for a ruling, Ibn Abbâs merely said: “If you have to do so, then make images of trees and of that which has no soul. *Sahîh al-Bukhârî *(2225) and Sahîh Muslim (2110)]

Ibn `Abbâs was neither harsh with him nor did he make any categorical statement. He said nothing more than that. We find that the Pious Predecessors generally made statements about image making that indicated nothing more than pious reserve and avoiding that which can lead to deviance.

  1. Many types of images produced today are meant for education and can hardly be dispensed with. One pictorial representation can often suffice for hundreds of words.

We can see that `Â’ishah used to play with dolls, and they were three-dimensional images. Such toys are permitted by the sacred texts. Scholars explain this permissibility by saying that the purpose behind such images is one of instruction and educational play.

The ruling, then, applies to the general cause and not to the particular instance that illustrates this cause. If three-dimensional figures are permitted for children for education and constructive play, then it is even more appropriate that such images be permitted for adults, since adults are required to learn a far greater range of more difficult and critical skills.

In today’s world, images – especially two-dimensional images – are indispensable for people to carry out the necessary activities of life. The ruling that such images are permissible is in harmony with the general ease and facility of Islamic Law. Allah says: “Allah wants to make things easy for you, and he does not want things to be difficult for you.” Sûrah al-Baqarah: 185]

From all of this, I hold that the pictures used to make cartoon movies are among the images that are permissible to produce – and Allah knows best. Consequently the sale, purchase, and viewing of cartoons is also permitted as long as all of these activities are engaged in according to the dictates of Islamic Law. The cartoons should have appropriate content and be used in an appropriate manner. They should be free from falsehood and immorality.

Indeed, the production, distribution, and showing of Islamic animated cartoons that accord to Islamic teachings are ways by which a Muslim can seek Allah’s reward.

And Allah knows best.

I ask Allah to guide us to what is right.

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Uberalles...You are as much knowledgeable about Islam as I am about neurosurgery...

I wonder what neurologists would think if I went in during an operation and said that I know what brain surgery is and I think you docs got it all wrong...

My guess is, if the doctors act civilized then they'd probably smile, ignore me
and get back to what they were doing...If they act uncivilized then they'd probably tell me to shut the **** up...

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:hehe:

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Uberella, Majority of the Ullema in Islam, have stated music* as haram. And they have there rationale for it.

Now if a certain individual has another opinion, he/she cannot call them all a "Mullah" and say they're wrong. They have their beliefs and their reasonings for it.

A true concerned person should seek out why this is the case, why its haraam in Islam, and why many people do not listen to it.

On a personal note, my ears fall subject to music here and there, but I would consider that as my own sin (may allah swt forgive us) and would not justify it as right, just because I prefer it. I can respect people who listen to it, and from MY own perspective pray for myself and everyone to stay away from it.

However, you should also respect people who have given up music. Because then you would be imposing your views on others. Its like forcing a buddhist to commit murder.

I appreciate your concern, and I hope my post can help you better understand the situation.

Peace

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You calling me Haram?

Grrr...

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ok so is music haram or no?
Yes or no answer please....

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anything can be haram depending on their usage.