am I allowed to listen to the music a nightingale produces? or any other bird?
haven't heard an answer on that one.
and furthermore,the following question is still open: what about Beethoven's symphony?
if someone says 'no' to the Beethoven part, what about this:
when Beethoven composed his 9th symphony he was deaf, he produced it in his mind and wrote it down. Similarly, now, can someone not listen to the symphony, but by reading the music notes, play it in his mind and enjoy that?
^ no harm in listening to the songs of the birds, cuz as barray buzurg will tell u, that they r just doing tasbeeh of Allah in their own language.... :p
btw, if ur done with the second part: are baray buzurg prophets by any chance? can baray buzurg err as well? is refering to 'baray buzurg' without any further specification a good reference?
i dont know what bethoven's symphony is all about....
and if i had not been gifted with a book on bethoven for topping in my 4th grade i wud perhaps not have known about him whatever i know....
but 4th grade was a bit too small for me to know what 7th symphony was and i never bothered to check....
so plz clarify why it wud be allowed if other music is not allowed (it is is music no?)....
P.S. if u have any doubts regarding my say on the nightingale's song, plz bring forward ur objection with a good reference, and if u dont have anything to put against it, accept it as such without a reference....
LOL…“exempted”? Methinks you missed the point of the verse…and it shows my point…
The Quran is clearly speaking about a particular group of poets that were harassing and/or fighting the Prophet (saw)…NOT about poetry in general…yet, here you are falling for the bait and applying the same logic.
The Quran is explicit on poetry…and even when it is explicit people still find a way to divorce the message from it’s context…
before I constructively reply to this post, I want you to clear your mind about how a discussion is held.
Please, try to note the asymmetry in your reasoning:
I refer to Beethoven. You didn’t know much about it, and had your doubts about it; consequence: you ask me to give a clearer reference to support my claim
You refer to ‘baray buzurg’. I didn’t know much about them, and had my doubts about them. consequence: you again ask me to go and find the reference to refute your claim.
what will you do then for this discussion?
This isn’t the way to have a proper discussion. (perhaps this is your way of discussion because then you can hide your own claims behind vague references. And even if I gave you a reference that refutes your claims, you will have an easy way out by saying “i don’t belief in the school of thought that supports your reference”, but this is a separate discussion.)
You should at least have the respect to invest in the discussion yourself as well.
Similar to your answer I can say: if you have doubt about Beethoven, you go and find a reference to refute my claim
My question hasn't been answered either. If music is haraam in Islam, then why is the Azaan musical? Why is the recital of the Quran performed in a melodious fashion? It's obvious because it sounds sweeter to the ears.
If the poetry is recited in a melodious fashion, then yes, it is the same thing with the notes being arranged differently. Music is music, no matter what format it’s in. The difference is in the arrangements, the range of notes is still the same.
brother thankyou for providing the refference but i’ve been looking in various books still cant find the exact words, infact couldnt find the hadith. Can you please reffer me to some text. Thankyou jaza k Allah
while something is being debated and people have not come to a conclusion as to whether it is haram or halal, is it ok to go and listen to music while the debate continues?
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