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Listen stupid idiot, I didn’t say I haven’t studied Islam nor read the Quran and hadith - I said I am not Muslim. I know very well why Muslims choose to follow that. But thanks for the offer of providing me the proper knowledge anyway.
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Then how can you then be a proponent of shariah law being implemented when there is not consensus to exactly what it is? You are advocating sectarianism based on the interpretation of man made writings. It’s not that I don’t appreciate differing interpretations, that only makes sense in something as complicated as spirituality and religion. There cannot be a monolithic belief of over a billion people about anything.
That is why it is nauseating when people claim things like “perfect religion” or “it’s my way or you are going to hell”. Or hating people based on your interperetation of scripture or wanting to implement shariah law when it is not certain exactly what that is, since hadith have been written and interpreted by mere mortals where there is not consensus or proof regarding something as important as the banning of music.
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Implementing Shariah law is very much similar to implementing a judicial law in any nation today. Shariah is implemented based on records, proofs and needs of the times, very much like in America…The Shariah council is made up of scholars of Islam who regulate the law of Shariah much like the supreme court…
No one says it’s my way or you’re going to hell…The only way this can ever be said is like when someone outrightly denies the commands of Allah :swt:, like if I say we don’t have to pray 5 times a day, then it’s a given that I have ceased to remain a Muslim, hence any Muslim can tell me I am going to hell…Why? Because I have refuted a basic tenet of Islam…
As for listening to music, no one goes outside of Islam listening to music, unless it’s been declared Haram, and that is precisely what is being discussed here…
My own personal view about this thing, being a former musician myself, I now stay away from it…The Dalails that I have refute the permissibility of music…I don’t know about it being Haram or not, but why take the risk?
Music, as far as banning is concerned, is a personal issue, much like porn…You either look at porn or you don’t and obviously no one is going to be looking over your shoulder except the two angels designated to write your actions and Allah :swt: Himself…
So, as a Muslim, it is up to me to see to it that I am not indulging in anything that displeases Allah :swt: and Muslims simply tell each other what is correct and incorrect…The true Muslims, humble in their heart, would take any advice with humility as another Muslim’s concern for one’s faith and study it if it’s true, the hypocritical Muslims will take it as interfering in their business and will become defensive and repulsive…
No one puts a gun to anyone’s head to follow what is correct or not…One can only advice…
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Fine, implementing shariah law is very similar to implementing a judicial law in any nation today. I'll go for that. So stop passing it off as some Divine Law. It is man made law, pure and simple, based on the interpretation of religious scripture and man made writings that some have put on par with religoius scripture.
How could a musician possibly think music is prohibited by God? A musician has a love for music that would tell his heart it is inconceivable God would ban it. Instead of listening to mullahs's interperations, listen to your heart.
No one puts a gun to anyone's head to follow what is correct or not...One can only advice...
Unless you are under shariah law where you can be put to death for not following what is 'correct'.
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Judicial laws are purely man made made laws made with morality in mind. Shariah laws are implemented keeping the Laws of God in mind. The Japanese said, “The law may upset reason, but reason should not be allowed to upset the law…”
Any law that is implemented in Shariah is imposed with Islamic injunctions in mind. Those injunctions are clearly written.
How could a kleptomaniac think stealing is Haram in Islam? Or taking bribes, or lying? If God doesn’t like it, He doesn’t like it, no matter what your heart says. My heart tells me a lot of things to do which Satan puts in my ear…Doesn’t mean I do them.
That is the Chuck Norris movie version of Islam. The Hollywood Islam which makes every American like yourself think that they are doing the right thing and are ‘good’ and those that propose or are proponents of Shariah are ‘evil’. Your media puts everything in very black and white and the more you believe it, the more grey your judgements become.
Unlike western laws, Shariah laws do not scrape or dig into a person’s personal life to prove by any means the wrongness of a person. Shariah law first imposes a judgement of innocence upon a perpetrator then digs for proof, and that too only proof of the crime committed, not his entire history, psychology and private life.
Shariah law does not impose its rules inside the walls of a person’s dwelling and no phone or wiretaps. Shariah law is strictly imposed upon the facets of society that are under the ruling government.
Example, you can drink all you want, fornicate all you want, do drugs all you want INSIDE the confines of your home. Under Shariah law, no one will tear down your door to make you stop.
However, when you are on the streets and you announce your crimes to the world, you are asking for trouble.
Shariah is a very easy and simple form of jurisprudence. Everything has been outlined and the criminal looking for trouble, will find himself in trouble. No doubt about it.
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If you equate the feeling music gives your heart and soul and what stealing does, then perhaps you do need more stringent laws and others’ interpretations to go by.
While shariah law may ‘keep Laws of God in mind’, they are still man made laws based on someone’s interpretation. Now if you it were all based on the Quran, you could say that. But by basing laws on interpretation of hadith, it is still nothing more than man made laws (with Laws of God’s in mind).
Then why is the form of shariah the Taliban implemented so controversial among Muslims? They banned music, televison and the internet. And I don’t think they waited until you signed onto aol in a public square before they stopped you. Even if they didn’t break down your door, they did not permit it and access would be near impossible if you wanted it. There can be no 100% certainty to what shariah is, it is only the interpretation of whomever is running it.
It is very dangerous when man tries to implement God’s laws since they don’t have any more of a clue to how things are to be followed than the people here who don’t know whether or not music is haram.
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As always, the Taliban were presented by your media before you as animals who banned TVs, VCRs and music and based on that alone were subject to be liquidated…Amazing, your media is, while Pol Pot slaughtered 2.5 million of his own countrymen, nothing was heard, but the Taliban were barbaric and needed to be stopped because they banned music…Great…:k:
Do you know the good that Taliban did? Why they were formed? What they did? I know you don’t…Americans have been banned to that sort of news…The Taliban brought peace for the first time in decades in Afghanistan…Completely stopped opium production, started schools, made hospitals on nothing more than their own will power without any foreign aid…
Do you know that women who went to weep and and grieve at the Taliban cemeteries were shot at by the NA and American troops prior to the arrival of the press? A French reporter was there and he happened to catch this ‘liberation’ in action…
Anyways, that is besides the point…Every decade brings a new American enemy and a new friend…Get your hands on 1984, a book by George Orwell…You’ll be amazed…
Anywho, listening to music being haram or not is a personal choice and there is no punishment for listening to music except with Allah :swt:…It is the same as eating pork, taking interest or masturbating…They all are Haram, however to follow or not to follow a certain school of thought is anyone’s prerogative…
No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head…Despite what your media says…
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Dude, what's with the rant defending the Taliban? I only stated the facts that they banned music, tv and internet. And you get all "defensive and repulsive". I mention them because there is no valid shariah system to point to and their version is indicative of what you can expect when you have people trying interpret God's wishes and impose on others.
And while the only punishment may be with Allah, when you have a bunch of do-gooders like the Taliban (or whoever may come next) implement their version of shariah, no telling what you'll get. Because my media or anyone else's reported them holding a gun to many heads.
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So wot is it then, haram or not?
I have been told that *singing *is allowed, but music is not :(…wud someone mind please giving me a simple answer.
Thanks 
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Secret tip of going to heaven: everything you wish to do and have ever wished to do is haraam. H, A, R, A, A, M. Haraam. Ok? Good.
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Music is haram -
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Ok...but not everything u wish to do is haram :)
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Like what?
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Music, for a start 
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Brother, I understood in the first instance what you said. But you are quoting half of what you said earlier. You said:
Your post gives a clear message that at the moment (as being a non muslim) you think all the muslims should follow the Quran alone. If Quran syas s’thing we should do it, and as per your perception the hadith has not significance.
To clear things up for you I said:
You see I just wanted you to understand that we can follow the Quran alone, the hadith has almost the equal importance. And incease you want to know what it is so I can give you a small introduction on the topic. I did not in any manner wanted to aggitate you. If I did that unintentionally, my appologees.
Brother, had you known what well you would have never given indirect remarks of ignoring the hadith and follow the Quran alone. You are giving indirect judgement on the faith of other(than what you follow) religion, I think you should be little careful. Some people may not like such indirect remarks about thier religion and faith. Hope things are bit more clear now.
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I have not read a single post in this thread but I ended up here from the main Gupshup page. Im guessing Im in the 'Rel' forum. But I thought I had something to share regarding this.
I checked with someone about this.
Music is not haraam as per the holy Quran. It is not considered good for a few reasons which are:
It is easier to spread a wrong message through music bcz it is an attractive medium of art which attracts most people. By 'wrong message', it means bad things, wrong doings, etc.
It gets you addicted and you spend time listening to it, making it, etc. Hence you then have less time to praise Allah which is what basically is the reason of our existance.... PRAISING ALLAH.
So, music can be put in as the same 'bad' catagory as Gupshup, cricket matches, addiction with watching tv, internet addiction, or any other worldly thing which makes you waste your time on it yielding nothing positive for the world or the message of Allah.
Music is most commonly attacked cz it is a universal art and appeals to most common public and there is much more possibility of wasting time on it which drives you away from praising God which is what must be the most important priority of every human on earth should be.
Other things which encourage people to waste their time are not as coomon in public as music. As you will hardly find a person who dislikes music but not all the people like to watch cricket, post on gupshup, surf the internet, or waste time on any other addiction which keeps them from praising Allah. Keep in mind that all the rest of the things like cricket, internet, etc. were not present at the time of prophet PBUH whichever were which wasted your time or promoting bad deeds, negative behaviour you'll find people saying those are haraam. It is as simple as that.
Hmm...... I hope I've explained my point and I dont want to discuss it further.
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It annoys me when I have to breathe every second because it gives me less time to praise Allah. Haraam?
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This is the stupidest logic I’ve ever heard. I’m sorry to say.
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game, how does breathing give you less time to praise Allah? Do you have to stop doing everything else to breath? None of us have to. You must be from another planet.
P.S: “By my post, I wasnt trying to prove that music is haram. I was trying to present my view of why people are mostly against music and say it is haram when IT IS NOT as per the holy Quran.”