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There are many benefits of music in terms of medicine. See the earlier post from me in this thread regarding music and mental health.
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It is only for those who likes it.....for me it will be more painful.....
and suffering from cancer you can do whatever you like....i would like to pray more and more bcoz I would know that i'm going to meet my Lord........instead of getting more gunnah by listening to music.
Music may be not haraam but its surely one thing that Prophet(saw) or his companions did'nt like........And be careful to say that Prophet(saw) allowed and encourage music.....Astaghfirullah.
Its just the matter of"level of Iman".....I wont listen or enjoy music Becoz Allah hates it......(Prophet(saw) did'nt like it that means Allah does'nt like it either).
And you can say anything about me........im 1 year or 2 year it does'nt bother me......but if one would say anything against Islam espescially Muslims..Iwont let em go.
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i did’nt say they dont read nimaz…i said why dont they read nimaz or pray…
A believer will seek help in patience and salaat and non believer will seek help in other methods.
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Can some one summarize the dalail supporting Music as halal.
Can't read all these 10 pages :)
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^ they don’t have a daleel. They just have some health benefits 
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All the prophets, companions of prophets whom we have to follow stayed away from music , dance and these kind of entertainments..so it basically means that we must try to stay away from it too if we have to follow them to be better muslims..
ofcourse i like music too..but one has to admit that it isnt liked in our religion:)
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^ ITS THAT *SIMPLE. *
If you can't avoid the wrong...atleast ACCEPT it as wrong.
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^ You dont know your own mind. Is it music that is haraam? Then why was duff allowed? Duff makes music that isnt haraam so it is possible some music is allowed. Therefore, music as a whole is not haraam in Islam. Doesnt take a harvard graduate to understand that.
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WHy wasn't alcohol banned in his time too? and a million other things? Heck why need the Prophet pbuh as an example for mankind? (Nauzubillah).
I hope you see what I mean.
for pakap
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Alcohol wasnt banned in the time of the prophet?
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WHy wasn't alcohol banned in his time too? and a million other things? Heck why need the Prophet pbuh as an example for mankind? (Nauzubillah).
I hope you see what I mean.
Yes, I know what you mean. But I disagree.
Do you know why alcohol is prohibited in Islam? Its because it intoxicates you. It always has, and always will (in this life). Alchohol would be halal if it didn't intoxicate you, and for that reason specifically, it is written in Surah Al-Saffat, Verse 47: It is free from headiness; nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom
...and in Surah Al-Waqi, Verse 19: No after-ache will they receive from it, nor will they suffer intoxication
...both verses refer to the wine which will be served in heaven.
The wine which will be served in heaven will not intoxicate anyone, hence it will be halal.
I do not believe that alcohol was ever permissible, be it in the time of Muhammed (as) or Daud (as). Do you really think something, which Allah has prohibited and condemned (in the Quran) over and over again, was once permissible? Prophet Daud (as) came with the same message as Prophet Muhammed (as). The only difference is that Prophet Daud's message was corrupted, where as Prophet Muhammed's never will.
The same can be said about Music. Music will be played in heaven, hence halal. And, its quite obvious that it will good music (non-toxicating; no bad language). So, if the music doesn't intoxicate you (or bad music of any kind), it is permissible, in this world.
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I understand what bad music is. Like the type which has you wandering in a world of your own (fantasizing, etc), and the type where they swear bad words and do bad things needlessly. That is haraam.
But tell me, what is harmful in a person who puts on some light classical music to help him/her better concentrate on his/her reading?
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While I was researching this topic, I came across a counter-argument (from another website):
Some juhhaal (ignoramuses) have attempted to escape the condemnation of music and singing stated in this Hadith by presenting a very stupid argument. They argue that the punishment mentioned in this Hadith applies to a collective act which consists of four deeds, viz., fornication, silk, liquor and music. [this is what I've been arguing]
It is their contention that musical instruments by themselves are not evil, hence not haraam. only when used together with the haraam acts will it also become haraam, hence the Hadith mentions it along with the other three sinful deeds. The logical conclusion of this absurd argument is that if fornication is committed in isolation of the other three deeds, it will be lawful. Similarly, if liquor is consumed alone, i.e. without the accompaniment of music, fornication, and silken garments, it will be halaal. Similarly, wearing silk will be permissible for males according to this ludicrous logic if it is unaccompanied by the other three acts. The absurdity of this fallacious argument is self-evident. There is no need for discussing it further.
My reply is:
You can find verses from the Quran & Hadith which state fornication alone (or men wearing silk alone; or consuming alcohol alone) being prohibited. What I mean is that you can find verses which prohibit one of these at one time. That way, it doesn't matter if there is another hadeeth in which one of these three sinful deeds are listed next to another sinful deed. The one sinful deed which is mentioned alone as being prohibited, will remain prohibited regardless of what other acts they are attributed with elsewhere.
But the question I have is: Can you find a single verse which prohibits the playing of music ALONE?
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Q & A , from IslamOnline.net
Name of Questioner
Ana - Albania
Title
Music Makes Me Remember The Glory of God
Date
02/Jul/2002
Question
Salaam,
Why is music not allowed in Islam? People told me it is a sound of the devil, but seriously I never find there any diabolic thing. People told me it is not allowed because it makes you forget God. But why, do we remember God in every second of our life? If it were like that, existence would be perfect. But it isn’t. And frankly music makes me remember the glory of God more than a lot of other things. And many composers as well were inspired by the love for Him and as a result gave us wonderful masterpieces. Why we shouldn’t listen to them? I would be grateful if you could answer my question. May god bless you.
Topic
Heart & Soul, Arts & Culture
Name of Counselor
Answer
Dear sister Ana, we really appreciate your forwarding your questions to us.
Responding to your question on music, I’d first of all pause briefly to ask this question: What is Music? The reason for posing this question is to draw you to an important point, i.e. Islam is not just about making something haram (prohibited) and the other halal(allowed). Islam addresses every issue before categorizing it as this or that. Take music for instance, we need to know what is it in order to put it under a certain category.
Music lexically means art of combining sounds of voice or instruments to achieve beauty of form and expression of emotion. So we can say that music is a pleasant sound, regardless of where it comes from. It’s one of the purest and most beautiful things in the universe. Thus, whenever we hear a pleasant sound that makes one fascinated, we simply feel we should praise Almighty Allah, Who sets the tone and rhythm of every sound in the universe.
Thus, music constitutes an important part of our daily life. Music is there in our day-to-day life: the pleasant sound of birds, the melodious mew of cats, the unique coo of doves, etc. All these are forms of music. No one can deny this. This is even reflected in our daily activities and habits: crying, laughing, yelling and so on.
Then, when it comes to conceptualizing music from an Islamic perspective, Muslim scholars make it clear that love for singing and melodic voices are part of man’s instincts. This reminds me the words of Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, who says: “We can observe an infant lying in his cradle, soothed and sleeping by the sound of a lullaby. Mothers and nannies are always in the habit of singing for babies and children. Moreover, birds and animals respond to nice voices and rhythmic melodies. Thereupon, if singing is thus a human instinct, it is not for Islam to defy humankind’s instincts. Islam came to refine and promote the human instinct.”
So, in the light of this, we come to know that Islam has no objection to music and singing, as a form of art. This is as long as one abides by the noble principles of Islam. As we know that art is a form of expression and communication. It covers religious, intellectual, and cultural aspects of each society. Thus, Islam does not go against art, as long as it conforms to Islamic guidelines. This is whether it is expressed in literature, architecture, drawings, photography or film.
This actually makes it clear that Islam has its say in all man’s actions, in every corner of man’s life. This is the religion that regulates everything, in order to secure a happy and comfortable life for man. When you ask about eating, Islam says that you are free to eat anything, as long as you keep away from haram (things that are forbidden to eat) and from excessiveness. Allah says:O Children of Adam! wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer: eat and drink: But waste not by excess, for God loveth not the wasters.
[RIGHT]Surah 7 Verse 31[/RIGHT]
And in the verse that follows this immediately, Allah says:Say: Who hath forbidden the beautiful (gifts) of God, which He hath produced for His servants, and the things, clean and pure, (which He hath provided) for sustenance? Say: They are, in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) purely for them on the Day of Judgment. Thus do We explain the signs in detail for those who understand.
[RIGHT]Surah 7 Verse 32[/RIGHT]
So Islam does not simply deprive its followers from good things of life. It just sets the rules to enjoy these things in a way that will not make us forget the main reason of our existence in life. This is the very point that is greatly stressed by some scholars who have aversion to music. Their main concern is how does man strike a balance between the enjoyment of all what Allah Almighty made lawful for him and the duty of maintaining close relation with Allah.
So for me, I don’t see any argument among scholars on the permissibility of music in Islam. The same applies to other forms of art. This is because the argument of those who oppose music is that it’s a form of laghw (idle talk). Meaning that it normally distracts believers from observing religious duties, and it corrupts the mind. So what they are saying is that a Muslim should not lend his ears to what will distract him from observing his religious duties and should not listen to what will corrupt his mind or distort his heart. This is exactly the same condition stipulated by scholars, who maintain that music is permissible. They never say that a Muslim should indulge himself or herself to any form of entertainment, which would take him as far as neglecting his religious duties.
Let me cite the renowned scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, in his remarkable statements on the permissibility of music:
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Not all sorts of singing are permissible. Rather, the permissible song should comply with the Islamic teachings and ethics. Therefore, the songs praising the tyrants and corrupt rulers collide with Islamic teachings. In fact, Islam stands against transgressors and their allies, and those who show indifference to their transgression. So, the same goes for those songs that imply giving praises to such attitude!
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Also, the way the song is performed weighs so much. The theme of the song may be good, but the performance of the singer – through intending excitement and arousing others’ lusts and desires, along with trying to seduce them – may move it to the area of prohibition, suspicion or even detested things. The Glorious Qur’an addresses the wives of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, saying:O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear (God), be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just.
[RIGHT]Surah 33 Verse 32[/RIGHT]
So, one has to show caution to music when there is softness of speech accompanied with rhyme, melody, and special effects! -
Singing should not be accompanied with something that is prohibited such as alcohol, nakedness, mixing of men with women, like that is common in pubs and nightclubs.
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Islam has declared excessiveness prohibited in everything, even in acts of worship. The same goes for excessiveness in leisure and recreation even though these things are permissible! This indicates that the emptiness of mind and heart has to be identified and tackled during man’s short-term life. One should know that Allah Almighty will ask every one of us about his life and his youth in particular, how he spends it.
Dear sister, you see, this is a clear-cut evidence that Islam does not consider music as something haram. It just stipulates for music to keep its permissibility, it should not involve anything haram, it should not be taken as a means of committing unlawful things. Music should not be used as a form of stirring desires in man. This will definitely open the door for Satan, and this is what Islam goes against. So music can be lawfully or maliciously used.
Thus, what I want to make clear is that music can be corrupted just as what people do to fresh air and water. But this corruption does not make all music haram (prohibited). Just as the pollution people cause to some water or fresh air, it does not make all the water and air haram.
It’s nice that you are saying that music reminds you of God’s glory. That’s something good, and that’s the purpose music and songs tend to serve. To refresh the mind and relax the soul, hence giving praise to the Great Lord that shows us signs of His Perfection in everything He creates!
Thanks, once again, for your questions.
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No one wants to discuss anymore?
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logic makes me safely say, given the modesty parameters in Islam, music & performing arts are not haram, until and unless the connotations are to popularize obscenity (either via the lyrics, or the actions as in dance steps), or to seduce somebody or to have a party atmosphere where amoral behaviors in interacting with the rest of the crowd or the performer/s can occur.
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^ you can't grasp one part of islam and then say another is wrong.
In islam, anything that leads to sin, is haraam also.
Watching seductive movies are haraam cuz it leads u to commit zina.
Music is haraam, cuz it leads you to haraam. One day you might like the beat you're listening and totally forget the fact that you're listening to something obscene.
Whats more shocking here is that people are giving fatwas with whatever little knowledge they have.
Hey! I listen to music too, but listening to music and gaining sin is ONE thing, but to NOT recognize it as wrong, and to PROMOTE is a sin that will take you OUT OF THE FOLD OF ISLAM.
Challenge any Ullema with this statement, and they will tell you the SAME.
So be careful how you make something Halal, with whatever lil knowledge we have.
If its wrong, its wrong, simple. If you do it, try to give it up, and focus on that.
We don't have enuff knowledge to pass on fatwas like this.
Every single ullema will tell you its wrong, so who the hell gave us a right to make it right?
I wish the Prophet pbuh was here to tell you its wrong, id dare anyone to smack it back in his face nouzubillah that its halal!
Allah have MERCY on us!
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mine was & is an opinion.
neither an average non-religio-scholar can do without fetwehs, nor do i, as a self-aware musalimah, subscribe to any fetwehs given by anyone.
men who 'give' fetwehs, have to not even a mere tinker damn idea what a consultative paradigm is.
it is all about their own sense of self-centered mongering to have per-o-kaar following them.
any right-minded individual can see this & stay away from the self-claimed/ glorified 'advice' of an elder, to do things one way or another.
although, if u are pointing to the kind of music that is disgusting, then simply on the account of it being so - u do have a point that u listen to music too.
owning up to something that ur own feeling or thought asks of u, is ur right do so!
but do not cut short or judge others.
the rest is all one's intentions, & the matter with Allah.
i so wish that Prophet was here, too. he must take a class of some of the people in this day & age * teach them what is self-cooked bida in the religion as it is made to apply to life, & what was true religion.
In islam, anything that leads to sin, is haraam also.
Watching seductive movies are haraam cuz it leads u to commit zina.
Music is haraam, cuz it leads you to haraam. One day you might like the beat you're listening and totally forget the fact that you're listening to something obscene.
Whats more shocking here is that people are giving fatwas with whatever little knowledge they have.
Hey! I listen to music too, but listening to music and gaining sin is ONE thing, but to NOT recognize it as wrong, and to PROMOTE is a sin that will take you OUT OF THE FOLD OF ISLAM.
Challenge any Ullema with this statement, and they will tell you the SAME.
So be careful how you make something Halal, with whatever lil knowledge we have.
If its wrong, its wrong, simple. If you do it, try to give it up, and focus on that.
We don't have enuff knowledge to pass on fatwas like this.
Every single ullema will tell you its wrong, so who the hell gave us a right to make it right?
I wish the Prophet pbuh was here to tell you its wrong, id dare anyone to smack it back in his face nouzubillah that its halal!
Allah have MERCY on us!
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EXACTLY....I am sick of people trying to justify that music is allowed in Islam
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it is all about their own sense of self-centered mongering to have per-o-kaar following them.
any right-minded individual can see this & stay away from the self-claimed/ glorified 'advice' of an elder, to do things one way or another
this is what you think of the people who have spent their whole life studying religion( Ulema) ? do you go to the doctor for an ailment or do you just self diagnose and treat it yourself?
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although, if u are pointing to the kind of music that is disgusting,
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"disgusting" is a relative term who gets to define it ?