Music in Islam (merged)

[Fret_Wizard]

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@ravage

this whole argument is pretty similar to the one people who drink have with those who believe it to be haram and offer logic as the basis for it. That drinking causes other sins (“No, i drink and im perfectly sinless afterwards”)…that drinking is harmful in itself (“No it isnt, a little red wine everyday is good for your heart”).

in my opinion both of you are wrong, the group that is seeking to legitimize music entirely and the group that is offering reasons that werent offered by the Prophet or Allah. you’ll keep going in circles and never arrive at a conclusion, because basically this is now a debate involving subjective experiences and non-Islamically sourced arguments applied to an Islamic concept.

There is a difference. The difference being that there is a clear presence of music in Islam. There is no presence of Alcohol in Islam.

[ravage]

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not drawing equivalence between music and alcohol, but between the lines of argument used in this thread for and against their permissibility.

you may argue whether there is a presence of it in Islam or not, that would be a better argument. but this talk of babies listening to music and being happier and cows giving more milk when listening to REM versus music makes me feel like robbing a bank will get you nowhere.

[Fret_Wizard]

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@hareem01

Music can never never never be beneficial…thats alll…

I think the field of medicine, art, and education would disagree with you. Just because you don’t find it beneficial, does not mean it has no benefit.

[ravage]

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once again, whether or not art, education and medicine agree on music's benefits is as relevant to its Islamic standing as art, education and medicing agreeing on alchohol's benefits or homosexuality's benefits.

[Fret_Wizard]

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@ravage

not drawing equivalence between music and alcohol, but between the lines of argument used in this thread for and against their permissibility.

you may argue whether there is a presence of it in Islam or not, that would be a better argument. but this talk of babies listening to music and being happier and cows giving more milk when listening to REM versus music makes me feel like robbing a bank will get you nowhere.

You don’t have to believe me. Here’s one source;

http://ndnd.essortment.com/classicalmusic_rdcr.htm

The music of Mozart and Tchaikovsky is just as fresh today as when it was written centuries ago. Not only that, but there is a proven physiological effect from this music as well. Harvard University Medical School neurobiologist Mark Jude Tramo is quoted in the Los Angeles Times as saying, “Undeniably, there is a biology of music. There is no question that there is specialization within the human brain for the processing of music. Music is biologically part of human life, just as music is anesthetically part of human life.”

Studies have shown that introducing the very young child to classical music, especially to that of Mozart and his contemporaries in the last half of the eighteenth century, can actually heighten a child’s mental skills. You don’t have to be a musician to make the introduction

[Fret_Wizard]

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@ravage

once again, whether or not art, education and medicine agree on music’s benefits is as relevant to its Islamic standing as art, education and medicing agreeing on alchohol’s benefits or homosexuality’s benefits.

The point is that hareem is stating that there is absolutely no benefit to music, which is the same as saying there is no benefit to alcohol, which is wrong. One must be living in a bubble if he/she thinks in such a manner.

[ravage]

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i believe that this line of argument is pointless. you dont prove anything by saying music has no benefits and you wont prove anything by proving the counter to it, as far as Islamic standing goes.

[hareem01]

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There can be small benefits in alcohal but the loss is great,.....................but Music ....................there is "no" small benefit in it.........................................

[hareem01]

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you can't convince me ever that music is beneficial in any way........................

[hareem01]

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I don't believe you..............i don't believe you.....................na na na na

[Fret_Wizard]

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@hareem01

There can be small benefits in alcohal but the loss is great,…but Music …there is “no” small benefit in it…

Then why is the Azaan recited in a melodious fashion? Obviously they see some benefit to it, otherwise, they would be talking it out in monotone.

[Pakap]

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@Problem _girl

Pakap thats a point .. prophet (peace be upon him ) said music is haram by thier saying & acts .. y u dont follow now?

if u getting me wrong then its ur fault where i said quran is lacking in some one .. Quran is a key of all Islamic orders but u cant under stand quran if u dont follow Ahadees...

so y u said Quran dose not mention about music so iots mean Haram .. Allah said .. *obey God & obey his apsotel .. *

*and in other verse which suject like that *

*take those which prohpet gives u and stop from those which prophet(peace be upon him ) prohibted for u *

prohpet (peace be upon him )said music iz haram but u said it not ? so now r u following quran ?

How can you prove prophet said music is haraam? Dont tell me, Ahadeeth, if the word of God, the bible, as revealed to jesus can be corrupted by man, why cant the word of man, the Prophet, get corrupted. If music really was as inherently evil and diabolical and god knows what other things, then wouldnt it be in the Quran. Things of smaller significance are mentioned in the Quran, why would God skip this? I dont know why you think Quran needs hadeeth to be understood. Ahadith are good and all but cant be trusted to be true at all tiems. Is that perhaps why theyre are som many different schools of thought in muslims? Perhaps if just believed the book as it should be, we could be more united?

[Pakap]

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Hareem its funny how you keep saying music is haraam, there is no benefit of music, music leads to sin and then you argue its certain musical instruments that are not allowed in Islam. I think you dont know your own mind and are just trying to defend your unreasonable dislike for a thing as beautiful as music. You're probably feeling stupid for giving up listening to music and now are trying to fight your own ego to prove that what you did is right and that we should all follow you. May Allah help you.

[hareem01]

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and may Allah help you as well...............:)

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@Crescent_

All I'm saying is, even if you spent 5 hours, heck, a week trying to figure it out...thats still nothing compared to the Scholars who have been with the Rasulullah saw, the Sahabahs, and those people who have Studied islam all their life.

Whether I spent a minute on it or my whole life, if you don't have clear proof as to how long it took me, and you **assume **that its nothing comparable to a Scholar, than it remains known as suspicion.

[Crescent]

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So did you all overlook the hadiths and Ayahs in the beginning of this thread?

Why is islam so bothersome to some people...

[tmx305]

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I actually thought it was haraam but after reading brother haleems jibberish, i have no doubt its even halaal! Im learning the flute these days and I am even more motivated now.

[naved_ltf]

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i play the bass guitar and the saxophone....boo hoo i've sinned!!!
enough already folks.

[hareem01]

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@tmx305

I actually thought it was haraam but after reading brother haleems jibberish, i have no doubt its even halaal! Im learning the flute these days and I am even more motivated now.

"so then let Allah be my Judge and your Judge too!".

[Fret_Wizard]

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No one has answered the question. If music is haraam in Islam, then why is the Azaan and the recital of the Quran so melodic and musical? It's clear that there is a place for music in Islam.