^No thanks.
How open minded... Your a merit to your faith!
^you asked for an answer to your confusions and now you've started this "wahabi" bashing. Is that all you wanted? does this make you a true seeker of truth?
please quote me an evidence for this? if you can't then apologize and fear Allah.
and when did no "wahabi" scholar spoken indirectly or directly against the royal family; don't speak without knowledge.
Shame on you for insulting the noble Sufis... You should be lucky enough to be wiping their shoes.
The only deviants are so called "allahkabandhas" who go smugly go about assuming their understanding is the end all of all Islam.
How open minded... Your a merit to your faith!
Are you Mr Ghamidi?
Shame on you for insulting the noble Sufis... You should be lucky enough to be wiping their shoes.
The only deviants are so called "allahkabandhas" who go smugly go about assuming their understanding is the end all of all Islam.
smile
let's stick to the topic and talk with proofs and please don't accuse me of saying something till you can prove it.
Re: Music and Painting is not Haram
Music in Bukhari Sharif
PS:
1.Naqhsbandia dont allow music
2.Qadria neither oppose nor promote
3.Chishtia tareeka is very fond of music including Sh.Ajmeri who turned 100,000 hindus into muslims.
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Dance in Ahadees
I don't agree with ghamidi because he's allowing all type of music even Abrarul Haq's "billo day ghar".....
The opinion of 4 Imams regarding music is that it's haram and only Maliki fiqh *allows the use of duff and drum...
In modern times it is difficult for common people to avoid music so some scholars allow it in nasheeds and some allow classical music but rock music and music with indecent lyrics is not allowed according to muslim Scholars.
Allahu Alim
I approve what Hareem sister has posted. Ghamdi is some deviant man he looks least Islamic. Its like a crow teaching hawks how to fly. He's definately not a scholar.*
smile please brother quote an authoritative scholar, not Tahir ul Qadri. Is Tahir ul Qadri a bigger scholar than the Salaf? If no then why quote him? As far concerning the alleged “Music” in Bukhari, I posted the link before and let me do it again: Is Music Haram?](Islamic-Life.com is for sale | HugeDomains)
I feel it would b bttr to check Quraan n some authentic sahi hadith instead of running aftr vedios posted on Utube or google
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 185:
Ramadan is the month in which the Quran was sent down: this Book is a Perfect Guidance for mankind and consists of clear Teachings which show the Right Way, and are a Criterion of the Truth and falsehood.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 1-3:
All praise is for Allah Alone, Who has sent down this Book to His Servant (Mohamed (saws), and assigned nothing crooked to it. This Book says everything directly, so that he may warn the people of the severe chastisement of Allah and give good news to the believers, who do righteous deeds, that they will have an excellent reward.
Since when did feww ppl like ghamdi (so called as scholars) become da criterion between Truth and falsehood?? Allah n His Messenger (saws) alone have the sole and exclusive authority to declare wht is da Truth and what is falsehood; and they alone have the sole and exclusive Right to declare what is lawful and what is unlawful…..
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.494B Narrated by Abu Amir that he heard the Prophet (saws) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of (illegal) musical instruments, as lawful.”
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3654 Narrated by Abu Umamah
The Prophet (saws) said, "Allah has sent me as a Mercy to the universe and as a guidance to the universe, and my Lord, Who is Great and Glorious, has commanded me to annihilate stringed instruments, wind instruments, idols, crosses and pre-Islamic customs. My Lord, Who is Great and Glorious has sworn, 'By My might, none of My servants will drink a mouthful of wine without My giving him a similar amount of pus to drink, but he will not abandon it through fear of Me without My giving him drink from the holy tanks.'
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 4909 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Mas'ud
I heard the Messenger of Allah (saws) say: ‘Singing produces hypocrisy in the hearts’.
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3153 Narrated by Muhammad ibn Hatib al-Jumahi
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "The distinction between what is lawful and what is unlawful is the song and the tambourine (daff) at a wedding."
In da light of da above stated hadith evry musical instrumnt, regardless of whthr it be a wind or a string instrument…...evry musical instrument is declared unlawful by da Messenger of Allah (saws) except the ‘daff’ (tambourine).
I think any 1 can give fatwa .....since fatwa means opinion ......
even i can give my own fatwa ...u can also give fatwa .....but we cannot follow or trust any one's opinion simply .....da reason why we turn to scholars is tht they have full knowledge about Quraan n sahi hadith ....plz dont run after fake scholars like ghamdi ..i donno who he is ...srry if im hurting any one's sentimnts here who believes ghamdi to b a scholar. but no compromise... or barrier accepted in da rules laid by Allah(SAT) n his Messenger(PBUH)......B4r following or believing wht a scholar says we shld always check it out whthr he is saying evry thng in light of Quran n sahi hadith.
Allah knws best
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In the first video ,Dr.Tahir was saying the same that those little girls were not singing something related to sex or illegal things but bravery of thier tribal ancestors.Neither Ghamdi approved that one should listen to bollywood/lollywood songs.
Question is
- Qawali/Samah is allowed or not ?
2.If not why Great Sufias of Chisthia used to listened it ?
3.Nasheeds are also haram ?
Plz. anyone give thier answers .Plz dont such rulings that anyone saying Ya Rasallulah is kufr or shirk,not doing Rafa Yadain makes whole Namaaz waste ,reciting Surah Fateha with Imam in Farz Namaaz is not allowed and reciting Durood at end of Nammaz is Bidaat-e-Azam and such foolish rulings from isolated mind religiously captivated,orthodox,rigid and made Bukhari as second Quran not considering other Ahadees books as they were just writtten for fun etc.No sensible man believe in such rulings and fatwas of wahabi scholars.
Regards
Re: Music and Painting is not Haram
Moral of the story is:
If you are weak-minded and impressionable, do not listen to music.
If you are not weak minded and keep things in context, make up your own mind.
But remember, only Allah knows best:)
I feel it would b bttr to check Quraan n some authentic sahi hadith instead of running aftr vedios posted on Utube or google
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 185: Ramadan is the month in which the Quran was sent down: this Book is a Perfect Guidance for mankind and consists of clear Teachings which show the Right Way, and are a Criterion of the Truth and falsehood.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 1-3: All praise is for Allah Alone, Who has sent down this Book to His Servant (Mohamed (saws), and assigned nothing crooked to it. This Book says everything directly, so that he may warn the people of the severe chastisement of Allah and give good news to the believers, who do righteous deeds, that they will have an excellent reward.
Since when did feww ppl like ghamdi (so called as scholars) become da criterion between Truth and falsehood?? Allah n His Messenger (saws) alone have the sole and exclusive authority to declare wht is da Truth and what is falsehood; and they alone have the sole and exclusive Right to declare what is lawful and what is unlawful…..
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.494B Narrated by Abu Amir that he heard the Prophet (saws) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of (illegal) musical instruments, as lawful.”
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3654 Narrated by Abu Umamah The Prophet (saws) said, "Allah has sent me as a Mercy to the universe and as a guidance to the universe, and my Lord, Who is Great and Glorious, has commanded me to annihilate stringed instruments, wind instruments, idols, crosses and pre-Islamic customs. My Lord, Who is Great and Glorious has sworn, 'By My might, none of My servants will drink a mouthful of wine without My giving him a similar amount of pus to drink, but he will not abandon it through fear of Me without My giving him drink from the holy tanks.'
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 4909 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Mas'ud I heard the Messenger of Allah (saws) say: ‘Singing produces hypocrisy in the hearts’.
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3153 Narrated by Muhammad ibn Hatib al-Jumahi The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "The distinction between what is lawful and what is unlawful is the song and the tambourine (daff) at a wedding."
In da light of da above stated hadith evry musical instrumnt, regardless of whthr it be a wind or a string instrument…...evry musical instrument is declared unlawful by da Messenger of Allah (saws) except the ‘daff’ (tambourine).
I think any 1 can give fatwa .....since fatwa means opinion ...... even i can give my own fatwa ...u can also give fatwa .....but we cannot follow or trust any one's opinion simply .....da reason why we turn to scholars is tht they have full knowledge about Quraan n sahi hadith ....plz dont run after fake scholars like ghamdi ..i donno who he is ...srry if im hurting any one's sentimnts here who believes ghamdi to b a scholar. but no compromise... or barrier accepted in da rules laid by Allah(SAT) n his Messenger(PBUH)......B4r following or believing wht a scholar says we shld always check it out whthr he is saying evry thng in light of Quran n sahi hadith.
Allah knws best
Beautifully explained.....Quran, Hadith, Sunnah of the Prophet and Acts of the Sahaba............are the Criteria..........not GHAMDI
So lets conclude the topic:
We have two types of people here :
1. People who follow Quran , Hadith and Sunnah of the Prophet are of the opinion that music and dancing are not allowed in Islam....and
2. People who follow Ghamdi are convinced that Dancing and singin are Islamic.
As, a neutral reader..I would vote for People in category no 1....because their arguments are more valid. Ghamdi shamdi ....doesn't count....caz we are Muslims not Ghamdians!
......... Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.494B Narrated by Abu Amir that he heard the Prophet (saws) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of (illegal) musical instruments, as lawful.”
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3654 Narrated by Abu Umamah The Prophet (saws) said, "Allah has sent me as a Mercy to the universe and as a guidance to the universe, and my Lord, Who is Great and Glorious, has commanded me to annihilate stringed instruments, wind instruments, idols, crosses and pre-Islamic customs. My Lord, Who is Great and Glorious has sworn, 'By My might, none of My servants will drink a mouthful of wine without My giving him a similar amount of pus to drink, but he will not abandon it through fear of Me without My giving him drink from the holy tanks.'
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 4909 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Mas'ud I heard the Messenger of Allah (saws) say: ‘Singing produces hypocrisy in the hearts’.
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3153 Narrated by Muhammad ibn Hatib al-Jumahi The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "The distinction between what is lawful and what is unlawful is the song and the tambourine (daff) at a wedding."
In da light of da above stated hadith evry musical instrumnt, regardless of whthr it be a wind or a string instrument…...evry musical instrument is declared unlawful by da Messenger of Allah (saws) except the ‘daff’ (tambourine). ......
Play Duff, sing song and have fun guy.
And let others play guitar. The day of judgement will place you with Duffians, and those who play guitar will be placed with guitar-ians.
Their deeds with them, and yours to yours.
As, a neutral reader..I would vote for People in category no 1....
You obviously don't realize the contradiction in your argument :)
In the first video ,Dr.Tahir was saying the same that those little girls were not singing something related to sex or illegal things but bravery of thier tribal ancestors.Neither Ghamdi approved that one should listen to bollywood/lollywood songs.
Question is
- Qawali/Samah is allowed or not ?
2.If not why Great Sufias of Chisthia used to listened it ?
3.Nasheeds are also haram ?
- What did Dr tahir say about listening to Bollywood music?
Ghamidi did approve lollywood music of abrarul haq.
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Dr.Tahir not allowed bollywood music and Ghamdi was saying we have such notorious poetry even in our syllabus still people not object that , why on music only ?
Dr.Tahir not allowed bollywood music and Ghamdi was saying we have such notorious poetry even in our syllabus still people not object that , why on music only ?
Poetry and music are two different issues. Also do you think that poetry in our syllabus by ghalib , iqbal, rumi, mir and others and poetry in lollywood and bollywood is of the same quality?
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I mean to say we all read poetry of Molana Hasrat Mohani in our FA/FSc books .He was an extreme religious man, saw 3 times Prophet(pbuh) in his dreams ,freedom fighter and spent many years in jail against British Rule .Such a religious and pious figure have written this Ghazal.Now anybody tell us whats shariah ruling is put on Molana Hasrat Mohani for describing these eastern values and culture ?
Poetry and music are two different issues. Also do you think that poetry in our syllabus by ghalib , iqbal, rumi, mir and others and poetry in lollywood and bollywood is of the same quality?
Exactly , Mehboob kai Baal as Kali Ghata , Gul Rukhsaar , Surahi Daar Neck, Marmaree Badan, Ahoo jaisi Ankhai aur Chaal , Palko kee Chaaoo etc etc
have they left any body part undescribed in metaphors and tashheebaat etc ?
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^lolz....okay I see your point DB. i't's weird because in our Islamyat's class we were tuaght how poetry about women is forbidden but in Urdu we were taught the same forbidden thing.
What I found distrubing about the syllabus is that all the religious material comes from very strict persons like maududi and Ashraf thanwi and the urdu literature is mostly by secular or shia sources.