Music and Painting is not Haram

[desert_bird]

Throughout the span spectrum of 1400 years, we have seen this two extremes in the religious beliefs and ideologies.One declaring kafirs and wajib-ul-qatal for differnce of opinion although some use it for political gains .Like Khwarijs,Sabai of Hassan bin Sabah and modern days Al-Qaeda Takfeeri Ideology of declaring shias/brelvis kafirs and debating with christianity/judaism also comes in this line according to them.

Other extreme was those who neglected every boundary and limits of religion and added new colours and flavours fron Iran/Greek philosophical literature.Some of its shades are easily visible in classical scholars and sufias went to a bit of rahbanait and other such things.

Same is the case with music poetry and paintings and other fine arts and cultural beliefs of any civilization .Chistia/Qadriya/Naqshbandia used it as a major tool to spread islam in Indo-Pak region but Ibne Tamiyyah,Abdul Wahab and modern day Wahabi scholars totally declared it as haram.Quran mentions singing of Prophet Dawood(as) and Prophet Suleman(as) making pictures on hi famosu temple in Jerusalem .Umar(ra) once while travelling listened to his slave singing a song called Hudi to drive camels fast.Prophet(pbuh) once told story of 14 women to Hazrat Aisha(ra) and Prophet(pbuh) ordered song on wedding of some ansari women etc etc.

Here is an effort to look at the things rationally without locking our minds to takfeeri ideology and opening up new vistas of thinking and observation which are even exsited b/w 4 great imams and other imams of fiqah

[desert_bird]

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2nd part

[desert_bird]

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Plz. share your views and thoughts ,agreement/disagreement .

[hareem01]

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" Chistia/Qadriya/Naqshbandia used it as a major tool to spread islam "

I don't know from where did you get this. The person in the video is something ghamidi, right?

So rock and heavy metal music is halal...and so is making pictures of angels...wow

[desert_bird]

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Dear sis. plz. comment after listening to these two videos,hardly 20 minutes ,plz
thanks :)

[hareem01]

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^No thanks.

[psyah]

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It is possible to be doing haram and not be a kafir ... It is also possible to be mistaken about music and it is possible to have differing views on music.

Even you desert bird cannot disagree that music is shunned in Islam even though it is not clearly haram, but some scholars have rightfully decalred it so, and likewise some scholars have rightfully decalred it not so. Now it is your choice to decide which you wish to follow.

Personally I avoid music where I can ... and I realise the danger of music on my heart. Music is a great fitnah - I am convinced of that much.

[expat1]

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Salaam. How would most people view the work of someone like Sami Yusuf? Can we consider it compatible with Islam?

[desert_bird]

@psyah

It is possible to be doing haram and not be a kafir ... It is also possible to be mistaken about music and it is possible to have differing views on music.

Even you desert bird cannot disagree that music is shunned in Islam even though it is not clearly haram, but some scholars have rightfully decalred it so, and likewise some scholars have rightfully decalred it not so. Now it is your choice to decide which you wish to follow.

Personally I avoid music where I can ... and I realise the danger of music on my heart. Music is a great fitnah - I am convinced of that much.

It was given just to take view point of differnet people about that.its notnecessary everone would agree with Professor Ghamdi.You can disagree with him as difference of opinion is always remains a big factor in Islamic Fiqah.He is a post-graduate of Government College ,Lahore and known for his modern/revolutionary/anti-rigid views and approach in islamic matters.

Few things which create some confusion.Threre is hadees that Prophet (pbuh) said : I am sent to destroy musical instruments.I don know about its sehat or autenticity etc but few points.

1.Nasheeds also contains musical instruments so negation of this hadees.

2.As expat1 said, Sami Yousaf and others using musical instruments ,again negation of this hadees.

1. Qawali which is alloed by many scholars and sufias of graet status also contains musical instruments.

4.Famous incident of Ansari Women wedding and Prophet(pbuh) order of beating Daff which is alos musical instrument.

5.Saudi Scholars say only Daff is allowed , so modern forms of daffs today means drums etc aso aloowed or not ?

1. Painting and picture is haram ,what about Computer/TV pictures of humans .Are they also haram?

7.They are used for identification on identity cards,passports,academic books , should all these things also be declared as haram ?

8.In Afghanistan from Sahabas to 1996 , Budha statues remained in Afghanistan in Bamiyan , no islaamic ruler destroyed them but Talibans did, They were statues and not used for worship .Why muslims in 1000 years not destroyed them.

1. Hazrat Saad bin Abi Waqas(ra) found beautiful statues of marbles and gold when he entered Irani capital after battle of Qadsiyya , but he not destroyed them and wrote a letter to Umar(ra) in Medina and Umar(ra) gave permission of not destroying them as they were unique art pieces of irani civilization.

2. Idols/Statues in Makah and Arab were destroyed as this land of Ibrahimic Pure Land without a little bit of Shirk.Thats why today no Mushrik/Christian/Jew cannot enter Makkah/Medina. Is this rule also applied to statues/fine arts pieces outside Arab land ?

11.Quran also says that Poets wander in different valleys. Many great sahabas have amazing poetry .like Hazrat Ali(ra) and Hazrat Aisha(ra) etc.Now what quran says is other thing and still sahabas were poets.

12.Prophet(pbuh) himself heard poetry of Hassan bin Sabit(ra) and others.

13.Prophet(pbuh) himself listened song of little anasari girls praising thier tribal martyred in pre-islamic war between ansari tribes but not objected it.

1. If Poetry is not allowed great islamic figures like Rumi/Hafiz Sherazi are classical poets of islamic history containing romantic poetry also.Modern day like Iqbal.Should all these things be thrown out of house as its not allowed according to Quran ?

Can anyone plz. give reasons f these things.There is a lot of confusion in all these matters.

[hareem01]

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^According to the above mentioned examples it depends on the kind of music and pictures which are considered haram. If music, pictures or poetry is vulgar then sure it's haram if they are decent, not about women and sex etc then it's different.

I personally try to stay away from musical instruments as much as I can as they've been disliked in 4 madahib....but norms have been changed and most nasheeds are sung with music these days.

There's one sahih hadith that says silk, musical instruments, illegal sex and wine will be considered halal in the last days, may be this hadith needs more explanation from the scholars.

[desert_bird]

@hareem01

^According to the above mentioned examples it depends on the kind of music and pictures which are considered haram. If music, pictures or poetry is vulgar then sure it’s haram if they are decent, not about women and sex etc then it’s different.

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Yahee tau Ghamdi Paai nai farmaya hai :halo:

laikin aap nai videos ko daikha hee nahee

[hareem01]

@desert_bird

Yahee tau Ghamdi Paai nai farmaya hai :halo:

laikin aap nai videos ko daikha hee nahee

Yeah but he’s not the first person to have this opinion. He’s educated person and probably right in his arguments but he’s not a scholar and thus has not much authority over Islamic Sciences.

I usually staw away from self-declared scholars.

[desert_bird]

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He never claimed to be a scholar.He considers himself a student of religion and philosophy :)

[hareem01]

@desert_bird

He never claimed to be a scholar.He considers himself a student of religion and philosophy :)

That's good.

[slaveof_Allah]

@desert_bird

He never claimed to be a scholar.He considers himself a student of religion and philosophy :)

if he's a student then he should stop coming on television and dragging millions along with him, giving explanation on anything and everything. if he himself has not declared it, people with this "modern" mentality who follow him have given him status of scholar. that is why he is ignored by the people who only follow the scholars that keep the quran and sunnah in their hearts.

[desert_bird]

@slaveof_Allah

if he's a student then he should stop coming on television and dragging millions along with him, giving explanation on anything and everything. if he himself has not declared it, people with this "modern" mentality who follow him have given him status of scholar. that is why he is ignored by the people who only follow the scholars that keep the quran and sunnah in their hearts.

I have already said that Ahle-Hadees and Wahabi friends would not consider him of any worth.If Ibne Uthemmen can run islam-qa.com from Saudia why not Ghamdi come on TV to educate people.

You praised of "shariah' of Talibans in PA forum , if this brutality is shariat ,then sorry to say ,we cannot accept this shariat in any case :)

[slaveof_Allah]

@desert_bird

I have already said that Ahle-Hadees and Wahabi friends would not consider him of any worth.If Ibne Uthemmen can run islam-qa.com from Saudia why not Ghamdi come on TV to educate people.

You praised of "shariah' of Talibans in PA forum , if this brutality is shariat ,then sorry to say ,we cannot accept this shariat in any case :)

first of all i am not a wahabi and nor do i follow ibn uthaymeen. i follow the hanafi madhab alhamdulillah.

secondly, I never praised the taliban or their version of shahria. I only said TRUE shahria will insh'Allah take over the world. hope that's clear.

[desert_bird]

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Interesting Q/A’s from students of Mass Communication Department,Punjab University,Lahore.

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