Re: Music and Painting is not Haram
With all due respect, if someone calls himself aalim but cannot even follow a sunnat of beard, I have a problem listening to that person, let alone believing in what he is saying
Re: Music and Painting is not Haram
With all due respect, if someone calls himself aalim but cannot even follow a sunnat of beard, I have a problem listening to that person, let alone believing in what he is saying
Sir Jee, when Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi wrote his master piece Al-Jihad which brought a earth quake in religious circles at age of 26 or 27 , he was clean shave young man.People when objected ,some great scholar says, look at the long beard inside his body.Dont negate sunnah or any dis-respect but its not obligatory
regards
Salaam. How would most people view the work of someone like Sami Yusuf? Can we consider it compatible with Islam?
he never calls himself a scholar :) hes a musician who makes nice music :)
Sir Jee, when Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi wrote his master piece Al-Jihad which brought a earth quake in religious circles at age of 26 or 27 , he was clean shave young man.People when objected ,some great scholar says, look at the long beard inside his body.Dont negate sunnah or any dis-respect but its not obligatory regards
I am clean shaved, definitely in violation of this great sunna ..
but just like you cant trust a doctor who himself is sick or barber who has a bad hair cut, there are some protocols in whom you believe and whom you dont.
And about Janab Moudoodi sahab, I have reservations about his way of thinking too.
I am saying this with all due respect to him
DB thanks for posting the links to Professor Ghamdi's opinions.
Here are few comments.
He is obviously frustrated with the dimwit questions from the so-called educated elite.
He continues to say, look bubba (or look babe in some cases), use your own head. It is your (as an individual) right to listen (or not listen) to music. So decide yourself Bubba.
He also points out the "way out of context" references to Quran and Hadees. Where people can pick one verse and plaster it all over the world utterly out of context.
What he doesn't say ---
There is freedom of expression. Means a poet or singer can make whatever music he wants. You can decide to listen or not, but you cannot go break his tabla, or crush his guitar.
If you want to sell someone's music, then pay the due market price to the original musician. Do not copy and sell his stuff illegally.
It is possible to be doing haram and not be a kafir ... It is also possible to be mistaken about music and it is possible to have differing views on music.
Even you desert bird cannot disagree that music is shunned in Islam even though it is not clearly haram, but some scholars have rightfully decalred it so, and likewise some scholars have rightfully decalred it not so. Now it is your choice to decide which you wish to follow.
Personally I avoid music where I can ... and I realise the danger of music on my heart. Music is a great fitnah - I am convinced of that much.
lol... How exactly is Music a danger to your heart?
There is actual research that says that Music has a positive effect on health both physical and emotional.
Yeah but he's not the first person to have this opinion. He's educated person and probably right in his arguments but he's not a scholar and thus has not much authority over Islamic Sciences.
I usually staw away from self-declared scholars.
What exactly does it take to be considered a scholar in Islam? Are people who study the same text as these so called scholors any less intelligent or any less capable?
Are people who study the same text as these so called scholors any less intelligent or any less capable?
Short answer is yes.
Real Alims are the ones who follow the chain of alims that goes back to shabas and eventually Prophet Mohammed PBUH. You pick an authentic mufassir or muhaddis of your city and ask him is 'Silsila'. He will tell you whom he learnt form, whom that person learnt from .... going back all the way to Prophet.
There is a proper way of learning everything. You and I can read Gray's Anatomy but it wont make us a medical doctor, does it?
Re: Music and Painting is not Haram
**Two things that can't coexist in the same place: **Music and remembrance (zikr) of Allah (s.w.t)
When I am ironing my clothes, polishing my shoes, working out in the Gym, or driving....etc. either I am singing or listening to any song to keep myself excited or my tongue is experiencing the sweetness of Darood sharif, kalma....etc. which warms my heart with feelings of purity.
BUT which one should I prefer to keep myself motivated ? Allah mentions this quality of a "Mo'min" in the Quran that their tongues are always fresh with the "Zikr" recitations of Allah either they are siting, standing or lying on soft beds.
BUT what benefit or harm do I get when I continue to do any of these activities in my life ?
One quality of zikr is that it removes the hurdles (troubles) from my way which are waiting for me (written in my fate) in the near future, but the greater benefit is that it makes zikr my strong habit.
What is the benefit of a strong habit ? Well, when one is totally confused and fearful one unintentionally performs one's strong habit as the mind is not working properly. like after knowing that there is an earthquake, due to intense fear I might unintentionally run towards the room which I visit most often. SO ?
So, when I see the angel of death at the time of death I would be so scared and fearful that unintentionally I would be following my biggest habit.
Either I would be able to achieve what is mentioned in the hadith " the person who is able to recite Kalma-e-Tayyab at the time of death would directly go to Jannah"
OTHERWISE, there are a lot of other cases. A person singing his favorite song, another counting money, another business talking,...etc. while people around them failed to understand why at the last moments the person is not reciting
**"*LA ILAHA ILLALLAHU MOHAMMADUR RASUL ALLAH"
***May Allah bless us with the strength and wisdom to decide now, what we want to make our best habit before it is too late....
Short answer is yes.
Real Alims are the ones who follow the chain of alims that goes back to shabas and eventually Prophet Mohammed PBUH. You pick an authentic mufassir or muhaddis of your city and ask him is 'Silsila'. He will tell you whom he learnt form, whom that person learnt from .... going back all the way to Prophet.
There is a proper way of learning everything. You and I can read Gray's Anatomy but it wont make us a medical doctor, does it?
These are valid points. But silsila business has gotten us in much trouble and we now have 10s if not 100s of silsilay and each silsila toots his horn and decries other silsilays non-Muslim.
In this cacophony of silsilas, no one bothers to stop and say O Muslims, wake up and correct your ways, adjust to the changing world, and do not be "chained" to 1000 year old stories and interpretations.
For example our Messenger pbuh taught us the concept of cleanliness and used some methods of His time to keep His surroundings clean. We should copy the concept, but not he techniques. We need to figure this out using methods of 2009 AD and not 700 AD. People can now use soap that was non-existent back then. So use the concept of cleanliness but do not try to copy the techniques from back then.
Unfortunately many among us want to copy the concept AND techniques from 1400 years ago. And thus we are getting into a no-win situation. We must use "out of the box" thinking and may be for some time not chain ourselves to 1000 years old stuff.
If you see video posts in this thread, and focus on the questioners, you would notice that each of these questioner is tied to a specific silsila, and they were all bent upon a mission to frustrate Ghamdi in order to convert him to a specific silsila.
The questions coming from silsila people were so rooted in "out of context" Quranic verses and ahadees that there is no hope for any of them.
Sadly Pakistanis are among the most advanced and educated people and in very very large numbers (now close to 200 million), and yet we have not learned as a nation to walk on our feet, and think using our own heads. We are truly chained to silsila approach and thus we suffer tremendously.
We as a country spend less on 200 million people, compared to 7 million of NY city, or even the tiny states of Developed world.
The reason is that we have stopped adapting and innovating. We no longer possess free thinking minds, and well-poised youth. We instead have relegated ourselves to third rate places while locking ourselves into darkened hujras and caves.
I can go on, but this discussion may be taken as somehow personal, and that is never the intent.
These are valid points. But silsila business has gotten us in much trouble and we now have 10s if not 100s of silsilay and each silsila toots his horn and decries other silsilays non-Muslim.
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No you are mixing silsila system with sect and school of thoughts.
and in any which way, a non-silsila system cannot solve that problem either , the one that you mentioned..
Re: Music and Painting is not Haram
Music is not haram. This topic has already been thoroughly discussed previously, with scholarly opinions.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/201290-music-islam-merged.html
The crux of the matter is the answer to Socrates’ old question “Does God command something because it is right, or is something right because he commands it?”
In other words, is morality based upon religion or is it independent?
A lot of religious people believe that morality and religion are the same, but that’s actually not true. Morality is an independent standard that we actually judge religions by. What is right and wrong can be arrived upon by reason. That is the only valid answer to that question, and even the Quran supports it. A lot of you might also believe that without realizing it because you give reasons as to why something is halal/haram.
So has God forbidden music (assuming there is a god)? Since morality is independent of religion, there needs to be a REASON why god forbids something. The only valid reason to forbid something is if that action was wrong in all circumstances. So is music wrong? Music by itself is not wrong, since it causes no one any harm and it has no bad consequences.
Re: Music and Painting is not Haram
I am still confused .Ghamdi point of view is that like zina,wine etc , its not clearly mentioned as haram . Surah Luqman one ayah give specific account of that incident when they used to divery attention of makkans from Prophet(pbuh) message.Great sufias used it in Samah means Qawali etc with instruments.Daff was allowed.
but still scholars have great difference of opinion over this issue.I dont know its matter of Hukm/Obligation or matter of Taqwa 
I don’t agree with ghamidi because he’s allowing all type of music even Abrarul Haq’s “billo day ghar”…
The opinion of 4 Imams regarding music is that it’s haram and only Maliki fiqh *allows the use of duff and drum…
In modern times it is difficult for common people to avoid music so some scholars allow it in nasheeds and some allow classical music but rock music and music with indecent lyrics is not allowed according to muslim Scholars.
Allahu Alim*
I don't agree with ghamidi because he's allowing all type of music even Abrarul Haq's "billo day ghar"......
Hareem sis. Correction!
Ghamdi doesn't ALLOW anything. He cannot. He is just a teacher and thus can only convey to you what the real essence of the Islamic teachings is.
He is simply saying if YOU as a person do not like billo music, DO NOT listen to it.
But no one has a right to go destroy CDs of billo, Kill billo's singer, or break his tablah or guitar if they do not like a song.
Got it?
Thus he is emphasizing YOUR choice and YOUR responsibility to pick and chose things about your life that relate to music and songs.
This also makes you as a person much more powerful (and thus answerable to you actions) based on Islam's teachings.
Hareem sis. Correction!
Ghamdi doesn't ALLOW anything. He cannot. He is just a teacher and thus can only convey to you what the real essence of the Islamic teachings is.
He is simply saying if YOU as a person do not like billo music, DO NOT listen to it.
But no one has a right to go destroy CDs of billo, Kill billo's singer, or break his tablah or guitar if they do not like a song.
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bro burqaposhx. Correction!
ghamidi said if you don't find anything wrong with billo song it's fine to listen to it.
I don't agree because some people think there's nothing wrong with watching porn so where do we set the limits?
Besides, I think listening to music or not listening to music is a personal choice so ghamidi don't need to mislead people by telling them it's okay to do it by choosing few ayahs and ahadith.
I agree no one should go and destroy someone else's cd's or whatever but also people like ghamidi shouldn't be declaring in public what's okay and what's not and that with using few ayahs and hadith.
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I have had the opportunity to see this guy's lecture on TV and was really impressed. I dont know if hes a scholar/shiekh/aalim/pir or not, but he sure gets his point across in a nice convincing manner.
Re: Music and Painting is not Haram
^no he's not a scholar...perhaps only an intellectual.