Mushy is a coward. Pakistan falls at altar of radicalism.

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Im just afraid for the Family over in Pindi and such man... If this can be done in Islamabad, its only matter of time before we start seeing the same sort of crap thats happening in the tribal areas happening there in Pindi.. I honestly hope Musharaf gets hung for this.

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MWAp, I have no issues with trying to resolve the situation with dialogue, but what Musharraf did in his BBC interview is beyond stupid, U do NOT go and open your mouth and not know what the consequnces of your words are. basically Musharaf just went and said we will bend over because if we dont they will launch suicide attacks. Dude u are no einstein, u did not like frikkin connect those damn dots, every person can figure that out...but u dont have to go and say that in a way that shows that the govt is scared of dealing with them

I have not been this disappointed in Musharraf ever. This was just stupid.

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I doubt this will go down well with the Americans... If they had any doubt about Musharafs convictions, or his authority, then this has confirmed them..
Musharaf admits himself that he cant handle the situation...

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Fraudz: you would have prefered him saying "Bring it on"?

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Musharaf is a dead dog... If the Politicians are smart, they will feed on this and use it to show the powerless tin pot dictator that he's become.

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Pakistan is a war zone as it is, your leade rof 22oo madarsi basically thre his weigtht behind madrissa which was a veiled (hehe) threat to teh govt.

yaaaar, but if these ass clowns go kidnap soliders and alleged criminals and harrass business owners, then police or military will have to stop them not uncle aslam from nagan chowrangi.

the need to go and just crush them now, screw tear gas. learn from russians and just nerve gas the place. show the damn dirty rats that they our their extremist brethren can not hold a nation hostage.

arsewipes

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He should have said that at this point, force is a last resort, and thats it!
But Musharaf being the overly emotional and politically naive monkey that he is, openly stated that the govt is powerless!

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MWAP, I think this problem could be solved with a gentle and kind precision application of napalm.

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you got it...why publically annouce that u are afraid of tackling the weirdos

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And the govt CAN destroy these people... There will be lives lost, and probably will be suicide bombings, but if the govt and intelligence agencies are sincere, which I doubt, they can tackle this problem..
The Madrassa has records of all its students obviously, so the govt can use these records to keep track of these scum. Arrest all 2200 or however many there are and hold them until you know who is threat and who isnt.

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Just exposes Musharaf for the fool that he had become... He obviously isnt a politician... But let alone a politician, he isnt even behaving like a General any more...
I wonder if India were to invade, would he sit on his ass and say the same thing...
Oh well they have guns and are willing to fight!
God damn Musharaf.

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Their leaders are terrorists, correct, but most of their members are young muslim men, women and elders. You can not use force against them. Most of those places are libraries and gathering. Problem is propaganda, they need to make sure these people understand that Pakistanis do not support them in their cause of revolution.

They have said that force is a last resort, and we know they will when needed. Just saying they know that if force is used suicide attacks will happen is not a sign of fear. Pakistan is not new to suicide attack, ask people in Peshawar. They do not care who lives and die and if President takes the action, means that blood of these and other innocent people who will die from suicide attack is on Mushrraf. That is not bravery, rather stupidity.

These types of groups, who act like moral authority and police do not last long. They loose power eventually. Majority of Pakistanis know that they are fake and do not represent Islamic cause. This just shows they have lost, why make martyrs out of them?

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MWAP I am just mad, I am going to go drink some iced mochachino, hang with the kids and cool down. I despise these hadd haram dirty mullah types and their cheerleaders.

PS: tell the members that u are going to bomb the place and to leave in 2 hours, if they dont then that is their problem.

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Two points...
1. These people dont care what the majority of Pakistanis think... They are terrorists. There students too are terrorsits, if they arent already, then they are potnetial terrorists. Its is obviously these very students who will be commiting those sucide bombings. Thes Moral authorities will have power through fear... They arent elected democratically, they impose themselves on people.

  1. Musharaf didnt need to say anything.. But he has admited to terrorists all across Pakistan that they can do whatever they want, and the govt is POWERLESS! He has handed the country over to terrorists.. He did not say that they would use force eventually if it came down to it, he put his hands up and said he is powerless. And while we avoid making martyrs of these people, they go around spreading fear and panic throughout the city.

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Im with you...

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The time I learned that the place ‘lal-building’ is built on stolen public land, I really feel disgusted and I could never use the word ‘Masjid’ to refer to that place. I also feel reluctant to call those that built the place and worship there as Muslim, because Muslim would never steal land to build ‘Mosque’ neither a Muslim would pray on a land obtained by stealing public property (or any property obtained using illegal means). Hence I would call that place ‘‘illegal building’ or ‘lal-building’ and those using that place for whatever devilish purposes as ‘children of Shaitan’, ‘retards’, ‘criminals’ and ‘thieves’.

As for government lax behaviour with that illegal building and Retards of lal-building, I do not know the exact reasons, but whatever government is doing (intentional or unintentional) could be a trump political card. Islamabad is Capital city and whatever happens there becomes main news item with lasting impact. Lal-Building fiasco is running trailer of what could be expected if retards using name of religion (MMA) comes to power.

I believe that very few people in Pakistan endorse what these retards do. Their acts effects people wherever they live, throughout Pakistan (what they are doing is not regional matter but national matter). Their lingering on problem is making them a group of criminal jokers, all those Danda carrying Ninjas, Choohas (Mouse) and Chuchundars (Rats), Kidnapping women, occupying library, burning video shops and attacking people including law enforcers and women, giving threat of suicide bombing, challenging the writ of the government, etc etc, along with associating themselves with Taliban, and gaining sympathy from party members in MMA, all these must be eating into the voter support of MMA.

Before lal building issue hit the news, many did not even knew that so many government lands were stolen by retarded criminals in the name of Islam, erecting building there and turning that building into their cult worshiping place.

Longer this issue would linger, more Pakistanis would know and would realize the menace these retards could cause to Pakistani Muslims and civilized society. Their presence would worsen the support and performance of MMA in next election and supports these parties developed over the years would also start disappearing.

News of Taliban style movements in Tribal areas enforcing their version of Islam, suicide bombings, sectarian violence, law breaking, stopping girls schooling, stopping polio injections, stopping music and other entertainments, forcing people to keep beard, forcing women to wear Niqab, killing of women politician or giving fatwa on other women ministers, etc, all in the name of Islam, are also factors that must be adversely affecting MMA public support. People must be realizing that even if they give vote to these terrorists as protest, these undemocratic terrorist parties who would not hesitate to even kill each other in the name of Islam, once gain control, could make life of people miserable (as in the past they have done in Afghanistan).

Some even on this forum (like Laeeqkhan) have realized and wrote about increasing anti-Islamic feelings on the forum, may not have realized that the same feelings must be developing in Pakistan too and at faster pace. What these people (and Laeeqkhan) do not realize is that, all of us are Muslims and that the feeling what is consider as (and mentioned as) anti-Islamic feelings is actually not anti-Islamic feelings but it is anti-retards feelings. It is feelings against those evil forces of devil who with their devilish and devious interpretation of Islam, are trying to portray Islam as devilish religion. These enemies of Islam also want to use force on other Muslims too so that Islam disappears and rule of devil prevails.

These people have very crooked way to make Muslims revolt against Islam (so that they become disillusioned with Islam). Even when these retarded devils teach some Islamic practices, they teach in ways (most likely a brain-work of Iblis) that instead of Muslims following those Islamic practices becomes abusive to them.

Just imagine that suppose if someone smoke or drink and a person come to him and try to talk to him about harms of smoking and drinking and convince him that drinking and smoking is bad, and that he should stop (knowing that correction is personal matter and his job was just to tell peacefully). It would be Ok and probably that person would start thinking of pros and con of drinking and would try to stop that. But if a group of people (like these retarded devils of lal-building, Talibans and sectarian-terrorists) comes and tell a person to stop smoking and drinking else they would break his nose, what he would do? Most probably, if he is strong enough, he would break the nose of the preachers, kick them hard and would humiliate them, but would never stop smoking and drinking. If he is weak, he might stop smocking and drinking not as commitment to Allah but because of being scared and would try to avoid these devil people.

I know of many cases but one is really funny. A group of people knocked at a person house (a Muslim just like you and me, though physically was very strong), who invited them with all courtesy, asked them to sit, offered them tea and biscuit, treated them nicely and started listening to them courteously, then one person in that group start talking B*** S*** about the picture of a girl (don’t know, could be his daughter or whoever) hanging on the wall, saying that the picture is haram and women should do pardah, and that he should take the picture off the wall as angels do not enter the house.

This person, who until then was so cool and courteous, behaving like an angel, looked at the group with aghast. Then he said that ‘yea, angels do not enter my house and you all are devils’. Then I don’t know what happened, he moved in electrifying speed (uttering abuses), held the beard of that man who started all that BS, pulled him with his beard almost dragging him to the outside main door, opened the door, kicked him hard on his bum, and thrown him on the street like a garbage, then turned towards the group and told them to stand up and F*** O** fast from his house and never to return back.

I believe that same must be happening in Pakistan due to the behaviour of lal-building Retards. Many people must be feeling aghast and threatened, as similar retarded people are all over Pakistan waiting to get a chance to show their true colour, so that they can become animals as lal-building terrorist have become. Weak must be feeling scared of them and strong must be feeling to kick them hard. Longer this would last; the longer lasting would be their adverse impression.

Hence whatever government is doing, I believe that if intentional, some devious mind is working there to break the influence of these retards; and if unintentional, then it is way of Allah to get rid of these Retards influences from Pakistan (as Allah did in Afghanistan, by sending Azaab-e-ilahi on Taliban).

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I dont know dude... Thats story of the Mullah beater was great, but I dont know if I share you optimism regarding the general populus.
I mean have you met these people? Pakistani in general wouldnt react to thing unless it effects them directly, and by that I mean a Mullah would have to come and slap them directly in the face for them to react.
Pakistanis are desensatized to brutality.. Most dont care, or just give up...
Im sure the secular forces will protest, but they will never use any kind violence, unlike the Mullah scum...
The only ones who have balls enough to fight these people are the likes of MQM... Besides them, and a few exceptionsm there is no fight in the average Pakistani. Thats why this statement from Musharaf is so unnerving.. Because now there is nothing stopping these people.

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Personally, I think time of (ir)religious extremism is coming to an end, slowly.

These fanatics are not doing any service to Islam but are sowing hatred for Islam in the hearts of Muslims (like what happened in Iran) and will eventually do irrevocable damage to our religion.

Recent incidents are shaping the physche of our new generation and distancing them from Islam. Let me highlight a few incidences which are contributing to the change in our youth’s physche:

  • A Canadian-Pakistani was shot at close distance by fanatics close to F-9 park in Islamabad because she was in trousers. 2 fanatics on motor bike approached her and aimed to shot her in her head but her kick made them miss the aim and she got a bullet in her leg. She was severally injured with massive muscular damage.

  • In Peshawar, fanatics threatened to blow up schools if the teachers did not show up with head covered. There was a massive reaction from local population and the threat was promptly withdrawn.

  • A 13 years old boy was shown on Internet slaughtering a Taliban who they claimed to be a spy for the US.

It is highly likely that these fanatics will start playing with the lives of our children, like they already claimed. If such a situation is to ever develop there will be a revolt against these fanatics and a lot of bloodshed.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/04/06/top7.htm
http://www.dawn.com/2007/04/20/top3.htm
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C04%5C20%5Cstory_20-4-2007_pg7_13

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This is way way stupid and crazy really!
Is anything going right these days?
It was the 3rd time that the extra assault nafri was called in, they camped there over night only to be sent back. What the heck does everyone want?
The govt is acting extremely pathetic in kneeling down like this to every one.
These guys deserve to be taught a lesson the most.
We need some action...

when the govt is this indecisive abt any action against them it seems all the more realistic that this entire episode may be a govt backed drama...?

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Dude.. This govt has failed... Its not living up to its basic requirments, and that protecting the lives and property of citizens...