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^^^ This is the same guy who used to say main kisse dertha varta nahi. Btw, he has crafty bunch of lawyers and they know Mushy has lot of $$$. Longer they use delaying tactic more they can cash in on Mushy's misfortunes. :D
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^ he is using his international friends to put pressure on sharif government as well. Rumour has it that prince muqrin who bailed Nawaz sharif out is involved too. I feel there is a link in explosives being found near his house when ever he has a court hearing and this ailment. :)
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The entire case seems to be based on hollow grounds. Making a treason charge stick will be next to impossible, as there are so many tangents to it. It would have been far better if he was tried for something more tangible, like missing persons. The treason charge is pretty lame, and hollow from so many angles, specially in its current format, where 1999 is not being taken into account.
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^ he is using his international friends to put pressure on sharif government as well. Rumour has it that prince muqrin who bailed Nawaz sharif out is involved too. I feel there is a link in explosives being found near his house when ever he has a court hearing and this ailment. :)
I dunno if NS can let him go even if he wants to. There are too many people who are after Mushy from Baloch nationalists to Taliban. There will be petition after petition and Mushy be running from court to court for next decade or so.
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I wonder how sometimes nature takes sweet revenge. This is the same guy who created balochistan issue to save one Pakistan army captain hammad. Now he himself is under house arrest (as former chief of army staff) but the army is not coming to his rescue (openly).
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army will silently help me like now he is admitted in hospital , I am just wondering now ppl will suffer parents live just next AFIC, ab wahn pe traffic ki museebat start
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The entire case seems to be based on hollow grounds. Making a treason charge stick will be next to impossible, as there are so many tangents to it. It would have been far better if he was tried for something more tangible, like missing persons. The treason charge is pretty lame, and hollow from so many angles, specially in its current format, where 1999 is not being taken into account.
Well, I don't want to get into nitty gritty of law, but 1) its usually the prosecutor who decides what charges a defended should face 2) you never let defendants lawyers take in charge of the trial process. In this case, its show trial, but not from prosecution's side, but defends lawyers are the people who are doing all the roona dhona on tv.
If I was the prosecutor I would have asked a judge to issue a bench warrant for his arrest and asked police to produce him in court...no ifs or buts. And, if defense lawyers were doing drama, as they are in this case, I would have asked the trial judge to fire them and appoint a public defender. Sadly, in Pakistan nothing works the way it should. All these people just want to be on tv and longer this drama goes on more entertaining it will get. :D
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Typically, Pakistan army would've saved from this humiliation long time ago if Musharraf was still their darling. This whole trial really didn't have to come this far. However, army's reluctance to come to his support despite Musharraf's desperate pleads reflects that perhaps army isn't too keen to save him from facing the courts - that's not their priority nor their issue. What they can do is maybe come to Mushy's if any unfavourable verdict is given. It's just quite obvious that Musharraf is beyond desperate, scared and shamelessly seeking army's attention. Too much for being 'yes I am commando'.
....One never knows with Pakistan. This Musharraf case may very well write the history we all want our future generations to read.
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میں کسی سے ڈرتا ورتا نہی ہوں، میں پاکستان کو سنوارنے آیا ہوں، کہیں نہیں جاﺅں گا۔ یہیں رہ کر مقابلہ کروں گا، جیل بھی جانے کو تیار ہوں، یہ کسی اور کے نہیں، سابق صدر و آرمی چیف جنرل(ر) پرویز مشرف کے الفاظ ہیں جو پاکستان آنے اور انتخابات میں حصہ لینے کے اعلان کے بعد مختلف اوقات میں کہے گئے وہ کمانڈر ہونے پر فخر کرتے ہیں اور گزشتہ روز شاید اس کا عملی مظاہرہ تھا کہ وہ سکیورٹی والے حضرات کے جلو میں عدالت سے فرار ہو گئے، اسلام آباد پولیس منہ دیکھتی رہ گئی۔جنرل(ر) پرویز مشرف جس ارادے سے بھی آئے جیسے بھی آئے ان کو شاید علم یا یقین تھا کہ پاکستان میں ان کو کچھ نہیں کہا جا سکتا حالانکہ یہاں ان کی حمایت کی نسبت مخالفت کی شرح بہت ہی زیادہ ہے اور یہ ثابت بھی ہو گیا تھا ان کے خلاف یہاں اکبر بگتی اور محترمہ بے نظیرب ھٹو کے قتل کے مقدمات کے علاوہ آئین توڑنے اور ججوں کی بے توقیری کے بھی الزامات ہیں، وہ آئے تو ان کو حفاظتی ضمانت بھی مل گئی اور پھر اس میں توسیع بھی صرف ایک روز قبل بے نظیر بھٹو کیس میں ان کو مزید مہلت ملی اور ضمانت میں توسیع کر دی تھی لیکن گزشتہ روز(جمعرات) اونٹ واقعی پہاڑ تلے آ گیا یہ ججز کیس تھا اس میں بھی وہ ضمانت پر تھے، عدالت نے ان کی ضمانت مسنوخ کر ک گرفتاری کا حکم دے دیا تو وہ وکٹری کا نشان بنا کر بہادری کے ساتھ گرفتاری دینے کی بجائے سکیورٹی والوں کی حفاظت میں فرار ہو گئے اسلام آباد کی پولیس منہ دیکھتی رہ گئی اب ان
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Re: Musharraf's treason trial
^^^ Bechray ka dil kamzoor hai...:D Jails are not for people like uncle Mush. They are for ordinary people.
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Well, I don't want to get into nitty gritty of law, but 1) its usually the prosecutor who decides what charges a defended should face 2) you never let defendants lawyers take in charge of the trial process. In this case, its show trial, but not from prosecution's side, but defends lawyers are the people who are doing all the roona dhona on tv.
I agree, and understand that part. My point was, that if the govt or prosecution really wants to make an example out of him, it would be better to prosecute him for something that they can get a conviction on. A treason trial will likely be filled with lots of fodder for talk shows, but no substance. It will very likely fail, as the prosecution doesnt have strong grounds for treason. A failure will result in a major setback, and any future prosecution will probably not be entertained. Even the simple point of exclusion of Oct. 1999 will be enough to bring down this case, even though the prosecution will try its best to get as much mileage out of this as possible.
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Pakistan's former military ruler Pervez Musharraf has not appeared in court where he was due to face trial for treason over his imposition of emergency rule in November 2007, charges which he and his legal team dismissed as politically motivated.
The 70-year old's legal counsel filed a plea to exempt him from appearing before court on Wednesday citing security concerns and also requested to adjourn the case for five weeks.
Also on Wednesday, explosives were found close to his home near Islamabad - a third time in the past ten days,
Conviction could mean the death penalty or life imprisonment for Musharraf, who has faced a series of criminal cases since returning from self-imposed exile in March.
Al Jazeera's Imtiaz Tyab reported that the judges would likely not indict him in absentia.
The former commando's lawyers have dismissed the charges as an attempt by the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, whom Musharraf ousted in a coup in 1999, to settle old scores through the courts.
Musharraf spokesman Raza Bokhari said they have filed challenges to the tribunal's authority and the hearing should not go ahead until rulings have been made on these.
"We demand that the unlawfully formed special treason court avoid the label of being called a 'kangaroo court" and suspend its proceedings until the challenges raised by General Musharraf are heard and properly disposed by the superior courts," Bokhari said in a statement issued late Tuesday.
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breaking news : musharaf may be shifted to either UK or USA
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^^^ Really, where did you hear that? Maybe this was just a drama to let him go.
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^ ary news pe breaking news a rahi hau
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I agree, and understand that part. My point was, that if the govt or prosecution really wants to make an example out of him, it would be better to prosecute him for something that they can get a conviction on. A treason trial will likely be filled with lots of fodder for talk shows, but no substance. It will very likely fail, as the prosecution doesnt have strong grounds for treason. A failure will result in a major setback, and any future prosecution will probably not be entertained. Even the simple point of exclusion of Oct. 1999 will be enough to bring down this case, even though the prosecution will try its best to get as much mileage out of this as possible.
1) It is up to the aggrieved party to peruse what to include and what not to include.
Example: If Entity A is defrauded 10 times by Entity B, and yet entity A decides to peruse only one incidence out of 10.. the Entity B can not take a stance in the court that since Entity A is not pursuing 9 other incidents therefore Entity B should be automatically declared innocent in the 10th incident.
2) It is up to the aggrieved party to decide which offender should be brought to the court. For example Entity A is defrauded by 10 entities. Yet Entity A decides to peruse the case with Entity B only. Entity B can not take a stance in the court that since Entity A is not per suing fraud case against 9 other Entities therefore Entity B should be automatically declared innocent. This applies to the aiders and abettors argument.
In this case the aggrieved party is the people of Pakistan who are represented by the Government of Pakistan ONLY. Musharraf is the offender the aggrieved party has decided to take to the court. November 2007 offense is the only offense the aggrieved party has decided to peruse. Musharraf has to defend only this specific action in the court of law failing which he will be declared offender.
All the hue and cry Musharraf cronies are raising is for public consumption only. These arguments will not stand in a court of law for more than 2 minutes as the court will not allow the Musharraf lawyers to waste their time.
Moreover calling trial a victimization is technically a wrong terminology. Victim is someone totally innocent against whom some offensive action is taken. The best Musharraf supporters can claim is the discrimination by the aggrieved party, the Government of Pakistan, for targeting him only. This discrimination may be totally true but strictly in legal terms the aggrieved party is fully entitled to carry out this discrimination.
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1) It is up to the aggrieved party to peruse what to include and what not to include. ........
Your points are valid, but this is a treason trial, not a bank fraud case. A lot more factors will be involved here than are in a run-of-the-mill case. Moreover, the fact that incidents of 1999 are directly or indirectly related to 2007 will make it difficult for the prosecution to keep 1999 away from this. No judge can prevent Musharraf's lawyers from mentioning 1999 in order to contextualize the 2007 trial. And once 1999 is mentioned, all the PCO judges get factored in as well.
Sure Musharraf will get a lot of humiliation from this, but I find a conviction very difficult.
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welcome back Yazdi bro...
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Will Raymond Davis be played out with Musharraf?
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Your points are valid, but this is a treason trial, not a bank fraud case. A lot more factors will be involved here than are in a run-of-the-mill case. Moreover, the fact that incidents of 1999 are directly or indirectly related to 2007 will make it difficult for the prosecution to keep 1999 away from this. No judge can prevent Musharraf's lawyers from mentioning 1999 in order to contextualize the 2007 trial. And once 1999 is mentioned, all the PCO judges get factored in as well.
Sure Musharraf will get a lot of humiliation from this, but I find a conviction very difficult.
And Musharraf an d his lawyers will be given full chance to defend his actions. The point I am making is that they will not be allowed to tell fairytales in the court. Until now I have heard only these 2 grounds in TV talk shows being raised by Musharraf supporters which will be totally invalid for Musharraf's defense. If there are some other logical legally valid argument.. he may be declared innocent.
1999 action has parliamentary endorsement.. which is not available for 2007 action. Moreover the offender does not dictate which wrong action should be penalized. It is totally the right of the aggrieved party to decide which wrong action should be defended by the alleged offender.
The case against PCO judges is already decided and will be considered past and closed matter. The PCO judges of 1999 have parliamentary protection while PCO judges of 2007 are already declared offenders in a 2009 judgment. A past and closed matter will not be reopened in this trial.
