Musharraf's Jihadi mess that we have to cleanup now

Prez Musharraf is known, admired by some, and hated by many for his about turn on Taliban. Which by the way was a good thing.

However he left the Jihadi mess in Pakistan fully intact knowing well that the goons will come back to haunt the whole country.

Granted he didn’t have political support from society in general. Lal Masjid clearly showed that media and Pakistani awaam are with the Mullahs and not with the military.

But the problem is if you focus too much on political gupshup, and ignore the BIG dangers to the country, then what good is that political support for.

Yeah he should have taken stern action against Hafiz Saeed et al immediately following Lal Masjid fiasco. Every Jihadi Maulana should have been sent to the concentration camp and all Madrassahs nationalized.

He did half @rse job even being a general. How the heck now a weak politico like Zardari would deal with this.

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is bad luck for pakistanis that i has mostly millitary government since its birth situation is so bad financially and politically.
by the way jihad was brought by late zia ul haq that was beginning of law and order problem in pakistan.

It is not only Musharraf fault of what is happening in Pakistan . Gen Zia ul-haq and Gen Ayub khan are equally to be blamed. Liaquat Ali Khan was killed by Jamait islami (JI). Pakistan Army and JI are equally to blamed for what is happening today in Pakistan.

Another whopper that I've never heard of before.

:rotfl:

He probably didn't do anything against LeT because they are (considered to be) child of ISI (military, hello?).

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No, what he should've done is to not run a one-man show. He came to power with the support of the public, and he could have capitalized on that. For the initial stages he did that; however, he got dillusional due to unchallenged power and went against the will of the public. Had he once and for all cleaned up the political system and worked with genuine and sincere folks who truly want to serve Pakistan, i believe he would still be in power today. And public itself would have voted him in. But that's not what he did. He played the nation against American softness and capitalized on the American fear. He didn't do jack to better the nation as far extremism and terrorism is concerned. His macho posture was dissolved the day he started to nod to American orders. Not only that, he made alliances with the very folks who Pakistani Public was sick and tired of.

To further screw the nation that saw a glimmer of hope in him, he signed the NRO allowing the very crooks back into power whom he had vowed to banish from politics once and for all. The way i see, they're all birds of the same feather. Be it ex-General turned Dictator turned President Musharraf, or Altaf Hussain the unpatriotic traitor, or Zardari the man very well known for his corruption.

Instead of utilizing the talent Pakistani youths and educators have to offer to serve Pakistan, he imports a PM who ran the country into the clutches of interest-based credit and when came time to face the music he left the nation. Never to return till this day.

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Mushy's obsession with holding on to power ..he had a free hand in 2001 and 2002 but preferred to patronise the MMA and hold back on the talis..its well known how he allowed the fata situation to deterioate too

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Agreed, we should have started blowing up terrorist camps in FATA and Punjab right after 9/11.

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never too late. Do it at least now. And then watch how India America and everyone else rush in to help develop the country.

There are no camps in Punjab. Most of them moved to FATA, eastern part of Sarhad and interior AJK.

Also, the idea of training camps is overblown. Most jihadis learn to fight inside the compounds of private "kothis" owned by jihadi leaders.

Do you remember the Scottish politician of Kashmiri origin who got in trouble for firing Kalashnikovs during a visit to his native land?

According to lone survival of Bombay carnage, all terrorists belonged and got trained in Punjab. How can you say that there are no camps in Punjab? LtD camp in Muzzafarabad was the first one which was raided by army and police, and a number of people arrested. It looks Punjab has been breading ground for terrorists particularly org like LtD, financed by SA and others. :(

I see, and Muzaffarabad is in Punjab :rotfl: :rotfl:

o.k. my mistake. But what about that lone retard what ever his name is, belonged to Faridkot and got his first training there? Army has raided and sealed a number of LtD training camps/offices all over Punjab and arrested a number of people. You can not laugh on that, in fact it is a matter of great concern if it is proved that all retards adventurers were from Punjab. :(

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Why do we always concentrate on putting blame , rather than realistic solutions?

  • You CANNOT nationalize maddrassah's : Main reason, people will consider they are being converted to USA agendas

  • Musharraf actually did tried to talk to the top most Maddrassah Ulmah's and tried working with them to make proper school out of them : These Ulmah's agreed to work on these and went back and said Gov't is trying to take over their schools (its all on tape in a documentary)

The bigger core problem is how we perceive U.S involvment in Pakistan (and in our religion). Politically speaking its USA foreign policy that is messed up (for the whole 3rd world). The core problem needs to be addressed to fix many problems.

Just my 2cents

It’s telling that all terrorists are from Punjab. That they have set up camps in Kashmir should hardly be surprising considering their original sponsor’s goals. Certainly the common man in Sindh is behind Zardari’s attempts at peace over the establishment’s natural inclination towards jihadi ideals. There is a racial disconnect here that can be used by external forces.

yeh okhi angreji hamaari samajh se baahir hay. Can you elaborate what do you want to say?

Dont worry about him, I wouldnt take him seriously at all, just like how we treat Altaf's fake talibanization of Karachi non-sense.

Those who want to understand will.

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The fact is there is a VERY VERY VERY fundamental flaw in the "war on terror".

Before 9/11, Pakistan was sponsoring an active and lethal insurgency in Kashmir and had almost annexed all of Afghanistan. After 9/11, it lost much of foothold in Kashmir and almost lost all of Afghanistan to US/NATO/Afghans.

Now just magine what will happen if Afghanistan stabalizes and US/NATO make permanent basis in that country. Pakistan's influence in Afghanistan will be permanently erased and it will loose all influence in Kashmir as well.

How can a country work against its own interests especially if its actual rulers are military generals!

That is why lack of sincere efforts on the part of Pakistan to fight terrorism.

In 2006, US/West probably had offered a compromised solution to the conflict of intrestes i.e. it will help Pakistan on Durand Line issue if it lays it hands off Kabul and Kashmir...but the generals in GHQ have immense self confidence...so they didn't agree to this.