Musharraf threatens Hindustan (days after building more bases near LOC)

Abdali · August 16, 2006, 10:52pm

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yes he was very ishmart that he only did mujra you never know it could have been another repeat of 47, 62, 65… Or even return of Shri Babur this time flying instead of riding a horse..

infiniti · August 16, 2006, 10:57pm

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I wholeheartedly agree. We do not want a repeat of 1965, 1971 or Kargil war, do we :) .

What's with "you never know"? I definitely know what's going to happen now that the superiority ratio is 15:1.

Have a good day.

Abdali · August 16, 2006, 11:11pm

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I agree even more we do not want another vajoo mujra at the border and further cut akhand bhaRAT oops I mean bhaRAT to pieces… Those darn Baburs, Abdalis (oops thats me) Ghauirs, Mamluks, Lodhis, chinis, pakis cheated, they all take advantage when there are no Bangalis for nazook hindus to hide behind… Ready for another Manmohan mujra at the border again? hare om !!!

hussain87 · August 16, 2006, 11:13pm

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lahore paa jee should i copy paste some facts about india? u now superpower of the future:D..yaar bahoot koshish kar raha hoon lakin apnai app par control nahi ho raha so what do u think may i, please!!!:(

mercenary2k · August 16, 2006, 11:15pm

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hahaha

india's primary delivery method is dropping nukes by fighter jets and given the record of their flying coffins

i wouldn't be surprised if india ends up nuking its own air base accicdently

infiniti · August 16, 2006, 11:16pm

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Hey Abdali, fyi, I did some investigation for you guys last to last weekend on the 1965 war, I guess you were a part of that thread but then surprisingly you ran away, must have been something important, yeah???

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4309623&postcount=27

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4309660&postcount=29
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infiniti · August 16, 2006, 11:18pm

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Welcome to this thread the 15:1 superior Indian movie fan .

Abdali · August 16, 2006, 11:23pm

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The official history straight from the horses mouth… Now lets have Indian mujra on this at Lahore Gymkhana… Ever heard of teh famous Indians enjoying tea at Lahor Gymkhana?

http://news.indiamart.com/news-analysis/the-1965-war-real-st-7668.html

LMAO

** The 1965 War real story **

September 11, 2000

** The English daily, The Times of India has put on the web a copy of the official history of the 1965 Indo-Pak war which was finalized by the Defence Ministry in 1992 after years of research, but was suppressed allegedly by the Defence Ministry because of the allegations of some ‘lost victories’. ** The exclusive ‘Untold History of Indo-Pak War, 1965’ which is available on www.timesofindia.com. was compiled by Gen. Harbaksh Singh, who died recently. According to the Times of India, prepared by Gen. Harbaksh Singh in 1991 from various revealing official war dispatches for the Defence Ministry’s History division, was handed over in September 1992. This 1965 war history was considered to be safe enough to be moot for general release by N.N. Vohra, defence secretary at that time. However, the Government - more precisely the committee of secretaries.disagreed. The committee which consists of Cabinet, defence, External Affairs, Home and Finance Secretaries, refused permission to publish it. The Ministry was not even allowed to provide copies to the officer training institutions run by the armed forces.

** Contemporary accounts, generated by a jingoistic press, saw the war as a spectacular victory on almost every front. But, the truth, which cannot be hidden despite the best efforts of the official history _ is that the war was, in the words of Lt.Gen. Harbaksh Singh, one of the most distinguished commanders, ‘a catalogue of lost victories.’ there was no strategic plan. As the ‘official history’ compiled by gen. Harbaksh Singh points out, the Indian Air force was not in on the army’s plan to launch a surprise attack towards Lahore and Sialkot. Instead of launching pre-emptive attacks, the IAF was caught unawares by a Pakistani strike on Indian bases on the evening of Sept. 6. **

A retired bureaucrat who was part of the Committee of the Secretaries, has been quoted by the Times of India to say that there were three reasons for the decision: [1] It revealed that the thrust to Lahore was mismanage with the division commander losing contact with his base and that there were differences between Harbaksh singh and the Army Chief; [2] It gave information about certain aspects of command and control; and [3] It had details of operational decisions which in the context of tensions with Pakistan, it was felt, should not be made public.

Poor leadership manifested itself from top to bottom during the 1965 fighting when Gen. Ayub Khan launched Operation Gibraltar an sent nine columns of guerillas into the Kashmir Valley and the then Prime Minister of India, Lal Bahadur Shastri responded by authorising the Indian Army to launch a counter offensive in the Lahore sector to relieve the pressure of Pakistani attack on the Chhamb-Jaurian front in Jammu. On Sept. , Gen. Harbaskh Singh was forced to replace 15 Division commander, Maj Gen. Niranjan Prasad for failure of nerve before Lahore. Two days later, he replaced a brigade commander. According to the official history, on Sept. 10, as Pakistan tried to break the defences of Khem Karan, Army Chief, Gen. J.N. Chowdhuri, tried to persuade Harbaksh Singh to withdraw to the Beas. But, Singh stood firm and, by the end of the day, Pakistan’s 1 Armoured division disintegrated.

But, the crowning blunder of the war was India’s decision to accept a ceasefire in September, 22. throwing more light than as hitherto been available, the Harbaksh Singh report says tat 'towards the end of the war, the Prime Minister enquire from Gen. Chauduri whether India could win a spectacular victory if the war was prolonged for some days. the General replied that most of India’s frontline ammunition ha been used up and there had been considerable tank losses also. But, later it was found that at the time of the ceasefire, only about 14 per cent of India’s frontline ammunition had been fired an the number of tanks still held by India was twice the number Pakistan had.

In fact, the war of 1965 was the biggest intelligence assessment failure in independent India’s history and essentially because the army leadership refuse to accept the intelligence made available by the Intelligence Bureau on Pakistan raising a second armoured division when India had only one. The Pakistani armed forces were hamstrung oy extremely limited ammunition stockpiles and could not have sustained the war for more than three weeks. India’s position was far more comfortable. Yet, there was no proper understanding of this. Because of this, a possible victory was thrown away.

To give a sequence of the events that led to the 1965 war exactly 35 years ago, in April, 1965, Pakistan launched Operation Desert Hawk in the Rann of Kutch. On June 30, 1965, India and Pakistan signed an agreement to settle the Kutch dispute trough international arbitration. The signatories were the Secretary in the Indian External Affairs Ministry and the Pakistan High Commissioner in Delhi - the two being Brothers-in-law. But, even as the agreement was being signed, the Pakistani leadership was preparing for massive infiltration into Kashmir Valley - under the code-name Operation Gibraltar. As remarked by a Pakistani columnist, Altaf Gauhar, a confidant of Gen. Ayub Khan in 1965, in his book ‘Four wars and one assumption’, the military leadership assumed tat India would not offer an effective military response to any Pakistani offensive

infiniti · August 16, 2006, 11:26pm

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Well, why dont you first read the opinion from your army brigadier and the world.

Abdali · August 16, 2006, 11:27pm

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hahahaha seems like you don't want to read your own official history, but you can carry on with your mujra its nothing out of the ordinary.... LOL....

infiniti · August 16, 2006, 11:33pm

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Abdali:

The official history straight from the horses mouth… Now lets have Indian mujra on this at Lahore Gymkhana… Ever heard of teh famous Indians enjoying tea at Lahor Gymkhana?

http://news.indiamart.com/news-analysis/the-1965-war-real-st-7668.html

LMAO

**The 1965 War real story **

September 11, 2000

**The English daily, The Times of India has put on the web a copy of the official history of the 1965 Indo-Pak war which was finalized by the Defence Ministry in 1992 after years of research, but was suppressed allegedly by the Defence Ministry because of the allegations of some ‘lost victories’. **The exclusive ‘Untold History of Indo-Pak War, 1965’ which is available on www.timesofindia.com. was compiled by Gen. Harbaksh Singh, who died recently. According to the Times of India, prepared by Gen. Harbaksh Singh in 1991 from various revealing official war dispatches for the Defence Ministry’s History division, was handed over in September 1992. This 1965 war history was considered to be safe enough to be moot for general release by N.N. Vohra, defence secretary at that time. However, the Government - more precisely the committee of secretaries.disagreed. The committee which consists of Cabinet, defence, External Affairs, Home and Finance Secretaries, refused permission to publish it. The Ministry was not even allowed to provide copies to the officer training institutions run by the armed forces.

**Contemporary accounts, generated by a jingoistic press, saw the war as a spectacular victory on almost every front. But, the truth, which cannot be hidden despite the best efforts of the official history _ is that the war was, in the words of Lt.Gen. Harbaksh Singh, one of the most distinguished commanders, ‘a catalogue of lost victories.’ there was no strategic plan. As the ‘official history’ compiled by gen. Harbaksh Singh points out, the Indian Air force was not in on the army’s plan to launch a surprise attack towards Lahore and Sialkot. Instead of launching pre-emptive attacks, the IAF was caught unawares by a Pakistani strike on Indian bases on the evening of Sept. 6. **

A retired bureaucrat who was part of the Committee of the Secretaries, has been quoted by the Times of India to say that there were three reasons for the decision: [1] It revealed that the thrust to Lahore was mismanage with the division commander losing contact with his base and that there were differences between Harbaksh singh and the Army Chief; [2] It gave information about certain aspects of command and control; and [3] It had details of operational decisions which in the context of tensions with Pakistan, it was felt, should not be made public.

Poor leadership manifested itself from top to bottom during the 1965 fighting when Gen. Ayub Khan launched Operation Gibraltar an sent nine columns of guerillas into the Kashmir Valley and the then Prime Minister of India, Lal Bahadur Shastri responded by authorising the Indian Army to launch a counter offensive in the Lahore sector to relieve the pressure of Pakistani attack on the Chhamb-Jaurian front in Jammu. On Sept. , Gen. Harbaskh Singh was forced to replace 15 Division commander, Maj Gen. Niranjan Prasad for failure of nerve before Lahore. Two days later, he replaced a brigade commander. According to the official history, on Sept. 10, as Pakistan tried to break the defences of Khem Karan, Army Chief, Gen. J.N. Chowdhuri, tried to persuade Harbaksh Singh to withdraw to the Beas. But, Singh stood firm and, by the end of the day, Pakistan’s 1 Armoured division disintegrated.

But, the crowning blunder of the war was India’s decision to accept a ceasefire in September, 22. throwing more light than as hitherto been available, the Harbaksh Singh report says tat 'towards the end of the war, the Prime Minister enquire from Gen. Chauduri whether India could win a spectacular victory if the war was prolonged for some days. the General replied that most of India’s frontline ammunition ha been used up and there had been considerable tank losses also. But, later it was found that at the time of the ceasefire, only about 14 per cent of India’s frontline ammunition had been fired an the number of tanks still held by India was twice the number Pakistan had.

In fact, the war of 1965 was the biggest intelligence assessment failure in independent India’s history and essentially because the army leadership refuse to accept the intelligence made available by the Intelligence Bureau on Pakistan raising a second armoured division when India had only one. The Pakistani armed forces were hamstrung oy extremely limited ammunition stockpiles and could not have sustained the war for more than three weeks. India’s position was far more comfortable. Yet, there was no proper understanding of this. Because of this, a possible victory was thrown away.

To give a sequence of the events that led to the 1965 war exactly 35 years ago, in April, 1965, Pakistan launched Operation Desert Hawk in the Rann of Kutch. On June 30, 1965, India and Pakistan signed an agreement to settle the Kutch dispute trough international arbitration. The signatories were the Secretary in the Indian External Affairs Ministry and the Pakistan High Commissioner in Delhi - the two being Brothers-in-law. But, even as the agreement was being signed, the Pakistani leadership was preparing for massive infiltration into Kashmir Valley - under the code-name Operation Gibraltar. As remarked by a Pakistani columnist, Altaf Gauhar, a confidant of Gen. Ayub Khan in 1965, in his book ‘Four wars and one assumption’, the military leadership assumed tat India would not offer an effective military response to any Pakistani offensive

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Read the statements in red. OMFG, lol, you cant be so dumb??? atleast you are honest.
My my my, India’s ass was really kicked.

PS: Lost victories does not mean losses.

infiniti · August 16, 2006, 11:35pm

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I do not even want to discuss this stuff with you now. Never ever in my whole life I have seen such a dodo.

I have read our official history and I wholeheartedly agree with it. I have read the Pakistani and the world opinion too and they did not mention that Pakistan kicked India’s ass or was it the 1971 war when you kicked our asses.

Abdali · August 16, 2006, 11:38pm

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Here is your official history… Now carry on your mujra…

Contemporary accounts, generated by a jingoistic press, saw the war as a spectacular victory on almost every front. But, the truth, which cannot be hidden despite the best efforts of the official history _ is that the war was, in the words of Lt.Gen. Harbaksh Singh, one of the most distinguished commanders, ‘a catalogue of lost victories.’ there was no strategic plan. As the ‘official history’ compiled by gen. Harbaksh Singh points out, the Indian Air force was not in on the army’s plan to launch a surprise attack towards Lahore and Sialkot. Instead of launching pre-emptive attacks, the IAF was caught unawares by a Pakistani strike on Indian bases on the evening of Sept. 6.

infiniti · August 16, 2006, 11:39pm

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Btw, I totally agree with the article you posted, now what's your argument intelligent guy?

Abdali · August 16, 2006, 11:41pm

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Simple, shutup instead of wasting bandwidth or carry on with your mujra…

infiniti · August 16, 2006, 11:42pm

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Yes, it was a “catalogue of lost victories” as opposed to a spectacular victory.
And that is what was said in the other 2 articles I posted. But nobody said India’s ass was kicked as you were claiming. lolol.

But every article said that Pakistan started the war and if it was not for the ceasefire which India stupidly accepted, it would have been India which would have won the war.

**Do you disagree with the above statement ??? **

Indian army strategists made mistakes during that war, but I still respect them.

infiniti · August 16, 2006, 11:44pm

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, man, it’s so easy to tame you alongwith your other brothers (Lahori981, Deedawar and PakPatriot1), I tamed you once in the shivling thread and now again.

My sincere advice to you as a friend , do not answer my posts, just run away as you normally do.

chal nikal ab yahan se and lollypop khaa .

Abdali · August 16, 2006, 11:47pm

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yeah sure the chamars only made one mistake, crossed the international border and were kicked right back where they belong…

Want to try another cup of Chai party at Lahore Gymkhana?

For the rest of your “IFs” and “BUTS” that is loser talk, but yeah you are an Indian well known for mujras, please carry on.

Abdali · August 16, 2006, 11:48pm

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Your smiles gave it away.. Don’t be so angry, relax. It was 40 years ago… But carry on with your mujra… LOL..

infiniti · August 16, 2006, 11:52pm

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lol, it's ok, btw I did not save the shivling thread last time and it was deleted, but this time I saved this thread in case it is deleted. Will have fun reading it again and again :D .

Man, you take good care, I have to go now.

Want to try another cup of tea party at Lahore?
Another stupidity, another lost victory, you read the article right???
I like 1965 war more than the 1971 war, coz in 1965 we were fighting against 4:1 genetically superior soldiers.