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ahhahaha that freakin traitor, he has joined the munafiqeen
musharaf rulezzzzzzzzzzzz.
that no cursing -pcg with ihim
^^ kool down dude.... we all know the universal fact:)
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*Originally posted by attackistan: *
ahhahaha that freakin traitor, he has joined the munafiqeen
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ah for cryin out loud...
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*Originally posted by Haris Zuberi: *
ah for cryin out loud...
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oh im sorry, i offended you, im muslim, and I dont like the fact he turned in some mujahideen who are in Guantanomo Bay.
What about Gunja?
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ahhahaha that freakin traitor, he has joined the **munafiqeen*
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What is a 'munafiqeen'?
AL-MUNAFIQOON (THE HYPOCRITES)
Total Verses: 11
Revealed At: MADINA
Maududi's introduction
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
063.001
YUSUFALI: When the Hypocrites come to thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou art indeed the Messenger of Allah." Yea, Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His Messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the Hypocrites are indeed liars.
PICKTHAL: When the hypocrites come unto thee (O Muhammad), they say: We bear witness that thou art indeed Allah's messenger. And Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the hypocrites indeed are speaking falsely.
SHAKIR: When the hypocrites come to you, they say: We bear witness that you are most surely Allah's Messenger; and Allah knows that you are most surely His Messenger, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are surely liars.
063.002
YUSUFALI: They have made their oaths a screen (for their misdeeds): thus they obstruct (men) from the Path of Allah: truly evil are their deeds.
PICKTHAL: They make their faith a pretext so that they may turn (men) from the way of Allah. Verily evil is that which they are wont to do,
SHAKIR: They make their oaths a shelter, and thus turn away from Allah's way; surely evil is that which they do.
063.003
YUSUFALI: That is because they believed, then they rejected Faith: So a seal was set on their hearts: therefore they understand not.
PICKTHAL: That is because they believed, then disbelieved, therefore their hearts are sealed so that they understand not.
SHAKIR: That is because they believe, then disbelieve, so a seal is set upon their hearts so that they do not understand.
063.004
YUSUFALI: When thou lookest at them, their exteriors please thee; and when they speak, thou listenest to their words. They are as (worthless as hollow) pieces of timber propped up, (unable to stand on their own). They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of Allah be on them! How are they deluded (away from the Truth)!
PICKTHAL: And when thou seest them their figures please thee; and if they speak thou givest ear unto their speech. (They are) as though they were blocks of wood in striped cloaks. They deem every shout to be against them. They are the enemy, so beware of them. Allah confound them! How they are perverted!
SHAKIR: And when you see them, their persons will please you, and If they speak, you will listen to their speech; (they are) as if they were big pieces of wood clad with garments; they think every cry to be against them. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them; may Allah destroy them, whence are they turned back?
063.005
YUSUFALI: And when it is said to them, "Come, the Messenger of Allah will pray for your forgiveness", they turn aside their heads, and thou wouldst see them turning away their faces in arrogance.
PICKTHAL: And when it is said unto them: Come! The messenger of Allah will ask forgiveness for you! they avert their faces and thou seest them turning away, disdainful.
SHAKIR: And when it is said to them: Come, the Messenger of Allah will ask forgiveness for you, they turn back their heads and you may see them turning away while they are big with pride.
063.006
YUSUFALI: It is equal to them whether thou pray for their forgiveness or not. Allah will not forgive them. Truly Allah guides not rebellious transgressors.
PICKTHAL: Whether thou ask forgiveness for them or ask not forgiveness for them is all one for them; Allah will not forgive them. Lo! Allah guideth not the evil-living folk.
SHAKIR: It is alike to them whether you beg forgiveness for them or do not beg forgiveness for them; Allah will never forgive them; surely Allah does not guide the transgressing people.
063.007
YUSUFALI: They are the ones who say, "Spend nothing on those who are with Allah's Messenger, to the end that they may disperse (and quit Medina)." But to Allah belong the treasures of the heavens and the earth; but the Hypocrites understand not.
PICKTHAL: They it is who say: Spend not on behalf of those (who dwell) with Allah's messenger that they may disperse (and go away from you); when Allah's are the treasures of the heavens and the earth; but the hypocrites comprehend not.
SHAKIR: They it is who say: Do not spend upon those who are with the Messenger of Allah until they break up. And Allah's are the treasures of the heavens and the earth, but the hypocrites do not understand.
063.008
YUSUFALI: They say, "If we return to Medina, surely the more honourable (element) will expel therefrom the meaner." But honour belongs to Allah and His Messenger, and to the Believers; but the Hypocrites know not.
PICKTHAL: They say: Surely, if we return to Al-Madinah the mightier will soon drive out the weaker; when might belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers; but the hypocrites know not.
SHAKIR: They say: If we return to Medina, the mighty will surely drive out the meaner therefrom; and to Allah belongs the might and to His Messenger and to the believers, but the hypocrites do not know.
063.009
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Let not your riches or your children divert you from the remembrance of Allah. If any act thus, the loss is their own.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Let not your wealth nor your children distract you from remembrance of Allah. Those who do so, they are the losers.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! let not your wealth, or your children, divert you from the remembrance of Allah; and whoever does that, these are the losers.
063.010
YUSUFALI: and spend something (in charity) out of the substance which We have bestowed on you, before Death should come to any of you and he should say, "O my Lord! why didst Thou not give me respite for a little while? I should then have given (largely) in charity, and I should have been one of the doers of good".
PICKTHAL: And spend of that wherewith We have provided you before death cometh unto one of you and he saith: My Lord! If only thou wouldst reprieve me for a little while, then I would give alms and be among the righteous.
SHAKIR: And spend out of what We have given you before death comes to one of you, so that he should say: My Lord! why didst Thou not respite me to a near term, so that I should have given alms and been of the doers of good deeds?
063.011
YUSUFALI: But to no soul will Allah grant respite when the time appointed (for it) has come; and Allah is well acquainted with (all) that ye do.
PICKTHAL: But Allah reprieveth no soul when its term cometh, and Allah is Informed of what ye do.
SHAKIR: And Allah does not respite a soul when its appointed term has come, and Allah is Aware of what you do.
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boooooooooo Mushraffffffff all of the Pakistani leadears are crupt expect for the few who made a beautiful country for us.........
Musharaff runs the most tenacious force in the islamic world, hez the biggest sell out to islam, see if we care, he will suffer the same fate as saddam, this is exaclty how saddam was 15 years ago, "friends" with the U.S we can't live like this, we have to stand up for ourselves, just look at NOrth Korea, thats one country I respect, aside the Taliban :D :D :D
Crescent, cursing is still cursing, even if you're using dollar signs to replace the letter "s". I have had to edit your post. Refrain from cursing.
As for your comments, I cannot possibly see how you could "respect" groups like the Taliban, who have done absolutely outrageous and unIslamic things to thrust their facist policies on innocents that do not wish to be under their rule. It is disgusting to see people in support of the likes of Taliban, and it only furthers my conviction that muslims have led themselves into the mess they are in now by supporting ignorance.
Secondly many of you come onto this forum in absolute ignorance of what is really going on in Pakistan's political arena today. Never before has Pakistan been given so much freedom in press. Karachi used to be a blood bath and it no longer is. He's trying to achieve some resolution of the Kashmir conflict, not so that you can go around saying "yeah we pakis rule, dude!" after everything has been resolved, but so that he can divert his resources to departments outside of defence, where the resources are really needed.
Musharraf is in a very tight position, and as much as I endorse criticsm, I hate to see every other hoo-haa coming onto forums to post up their baseless "opinions" that are guided more by emotions than by intellect.
where to start?
The picture may be appear rather comical or a disguised form of cheap insult, but these pics have been designed to send a very serious message.
Islam does not account us for our intentions, so i cant possibly comment on Musharraf's intentions, though if he IS sincere then allah help us!
What Islam does hold us accountable for is our actions, and we have it as a criterion to pass judgement with.
Whether the latest attack on his life was staged by America is questionable, but whether he's aiding american policies and the agenda is far less questionable, and his actions of the past have been manifest proof on more than one occasion.
There are many incidents to name but a few;
The american bases, to allow the kuffar to attack our muslim brethren in afghanistan after sept 11th, and his backing of it with a hadith that wasnt even authentic.
Pakistan's complete co-operation on the so called war on terror
Pakistan's heading of the South Asian Assocation of Regional Co-Operation (SAARC)
Pakistan's increased clampdown on so called 'militant' groups.
Musharraf's recognition of Israel as a valid state
Musharrafs likeness for Mustafa Kamal
Musharrafs likeness for wanting to develop trade with india, while acknowledging that both countries have a military conflict.
The list goes on.
America has been expressing its ambitions, and quite clearly and openly may i add, its hopes for the South Asian region for some time.
Some of these include, increase in trade for the South Asian countries, hence their full support for the SAARC summit thats taking place right now.
Resolving of the Kashmir conflict, again, many events will show many of Musharraf's statements that have been completely in-line with American Policy in South Asia.
All part of making the region more and more dependent on America as well as subservient. You have to look at the grand scheme of things, and the wider picture. Its pretty useless looking at Pakistans politics as an introspective nation as that country has to interact with other nations and therefore foreign policy is bound to affect domestic policy. As clinton once said. 'Foreign policy IS domestic policy'.
I cant see how anyone who looks at the political reality, cant see how Musharraf's actions are completely in-line with American policy and therefore totally contradictory to Islam, as we dont take help from the kuffar. (whether this benefits us or not)
PCG, I agree with what you have said here, about how the kids here need to learn how to criticize, but your political opinions about Musharraf are seriously flawed. I admire him too as a smart politician, but the compromise he was said to have planned for Kashmir was not in the interests of Pakistan. We need not grant India a distinct tactical advantage both militarily and strategically. Lets hope such 'giving up' compromise never occurs and a resolution in accordance to the wishes of the people of Kashmir is achieved.
So Typical...the Mujahideens fighting for kashmir, are the same mujahideens he is sending to Guatama Bay, The same people who die for this ummah, day and night, those same people are being captured or executed on the spot...wow. Rock on Musharaf. Rock on.
As for the Taliban, Study their history, and political influence, you will see how their gov't differs from the dictators and unjust systems in the world. Don't be so easily influenced by media propagandas.
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the compromise he was said to have planned for Kashmir was not in the interests of Pakistan. We need not grant India a distinct tactical advantage both militarily and strategically.
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Please elaborate.
Thx :)
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So Typical...the Mujahideens fighting for kashmir, are the same mujahideens he is sending to Guatama Bay, The same people who die for this ummah, day and night, those same people are being captured or executed on the spot...wow. Rock on Musharaf. Rock on.
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True, that was extremely cruel. The same people (who were later sent to GB, Cuba) were initially handpicked by Pakistan to fight in Kargil.
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So Typical...the Mujahideens fighting for kashmir, are the same mujahideens he is sending to **Guatama* Bay, The same people who die for this ummah, day and night, those same people are being captured or executed on the spot...wow. Rock on Musharaf. Rock on.
As for the Taliban, Study their history, and political influence, you will see how their gov't differs from the dictators and unjust systems in the world. Don't be so easily influenced by media propagandas.
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Abay Guantanamo to bolna seekhlay, aa jatay hain 'paaltiks' discuss karney.
spock, what is your source of information on the latest above statement?
crap! most of us don't know **** about what's actually going on inside. it's easy to pass on comments and allegations sitting in our lounges. it actually takes a pair to face what Musharraf is facing; no other leader in history has had the kind of problems Musharraf has been having and tackling most effectively. The world today, post WTC destruction, is as it never was in the history of mankind, even during the WWs there was open out war, today there's cold war everywhere and the enemy is either in disguise or everywhere or even within...and why are we under the impression that Musharraf will give in and give up and let everyone down...? is he any less Pakistani or muslim than us!? why the hell do we then keep thinking the negative about him and his policies. Im Sure he is more patriotic and brave than most of us. he has actually fought in battles during the wars with India and has been wounded too. In his own words from a press conference few years ago in a reply to a question doubting his sincerity to pakistan he said that he is as Pakistani as all those who doubt him are, he has actually seen his comrades die in his arms for the country during wars and that he has seen the horrors of war and hopes for peace even though he is a militaryman. Why do people consider him to be a traitor of Islam and Pakistan...? what have the saviours of islam and Pakistan like the Mullah politicians have done during their entire whining careers based on twisted ideologies for either Pakistan or Islam...? Did Pakistan ever before since creation get on such negotiating terms as today...? did any other leader organize an Agra Summit...? despite being a soldier Musharraf has been taking steps to ensure peace everywhere even though the civilian democratic leaders India have been more than willing to take us down ( which by the way is a major illusion that they are under thining that they'd have a flawless victory) and during the past 2 years they have raised the war threat to almost stage III twice.
Musharraf is not going to sell out! have faith in him and his ability. We have to realize that he is the best we have had since Quaid-e-Azam. this may sound like an overstatement but we'll realize in time.