Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
MQM has been rigging since years.
MQM winning seats doesnt change my mindset in believing them to be anything but fair, balanced and a democratic party.
MQM has AH as their king, terrorists on board and is ethnic biased. Get rid off these elements and
Ill vote for them next time.
Wrong. cannot be proven
Thats good, you are entitled to your opinions
I have no proof oneway or the other but you may be right. I think Asif zardari is corrupt, but it could never be proven. Personally, I would love to see all major party heads replaced. However as a party both MQM and PPP are viable, and is comprised of many well educated folks as leaders.
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
Wrong. cannot be proven
Thats good, you are entitled to your opinions
I have no proof oneway or the other but you may be right. I think Asif zardari is corrupt, but it could never be proven. Personally, I would love to see all major party heads replaced. However as a party both MQM and PPP are viable, and is comprised of many well educated folks as leaders.
@1. yes proven..see shamraz post.
@2. thank you, appreciate that. Which makes me no single entity to consider reality.
@3. There is a difference between false accusations and the proven fact with the acknowledgement even by the international community. But one party is the odd man out. Guess which.
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
How can you deny the fact that MQM enjoys enormous support in Karachi. How many elections does it take for you to realize this fact? How many records need to be broken?
It enjoys support in Karachi but is immensly hated in rest of the country. Therefore its allies got battering.
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
They have support, that is not in doubt, but the large number of seats they 'won' yesterday are a direct result of using state resources in a thuggish manner to conduct their fraud, that is not in doubt either
I noticed in many constituencies the number of registered voters jumped by 50% in some locations compared to 2002 elections (not just in Karachi) and by Mostar's account people who didn't go to vote found out that their votes were casted in favor of local ruling party. So rigging was there, may not be obvious or as large scale as to tilt a result.
However, MQM won these same seats when they participated in elections of 90s when PPP or PML-N was ruling the country and had locked horns, how do you think they won in those days?
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MQM will not be part of Sindh or Pak govt, no matter the rigging, no matter how much you support them
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That would mean that we truly are going to era of 90s where MQM would call a strike every Wednesday. God help Pakistan.
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
It is a futile exercise to dispute MQM's support in Karachi. Yes Altaf has murder cases against him, yes MQM thugs have terrorized Karachiites, yet a majority of Karachi population still thinks they are better for them than what others have to offer. This is a fact that Pakistanis have to accept. MQM's vistory is no different from what happens in the rest of Pakistan. Poors all year round complain about the atrocities of the waderas and choudhries yet every election we see the same people coming back to the assemblies.
It is sad to see that Pakistanis who claim MQM to be ethinc and talk about national unity are always the ones draqgging mohajirs into an ethinic debate. Who are we to tell anyone who to vote for?
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
unfortunately democracy is counting votes only. Who ever the people vote for has the right to make decisions on their behalf. This gives people the right to accountability. With un-informed masses democracy doesnt work. In Pakistan democracy is who is a bigger liar and can fool people come election time.
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
After giving a lot of thoughts, I think all these charges against MQM are by corrupt supporters of thug parties who are actually themselves thugs. After this election and after seeing racial and ethnic bias and hate on this and other forums, I believe that MQM stand is very right and compare to PPP and PML(N) thugs, they are Angel. From today, I join the party or not, but my vote is for them and I do not care what the thugs of other parties believe or what propaganda they do.
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
No you don’t have to, but you are pretending as if you were going to vote for someone else but after seeing some “hatred” on fora you changed your mind in favor of MQM… sure
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
Before Elections:
President is the most popular leader after Quad-e-Azam.
Silent majority supports Musharraf.
People care about economic development and not about uniform or judges.
After Elctions:
People are stupid. There shud never be elctions in this country.
Musharraf is great for holding free and fair elections.
People have short memories, they forgot how corrupt Zaradi and Nawaz are. (While they expect people to remember the corruption of BB and Nawaz 8 years ago and forget about May 12 that happened few monthjs ago.)
true and true. except that gibberish you wrote in the parenthesis. comparing one day with 15 years of incredibly corrupt rule by the nawaz and benazir dynasties.
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
I am or was pretending, and for what? For you or some faceless people, why? Do you think I am afrid of anyone … and if you think that way, than obviously you are wrong. Don’t worry, I am not that stupid neither I care or will consider it worthwhile that I would lie for you lot and earn gunnah for nothing. I would prefer to stop posting then lie for anyone
No, I do not think that MQM is either corrupt or thug, as I do not have any reason to believe that.
Don’t choke cuz i know the truth can be bitter. Just like the truth that people don’t wanna see Musharraf around anymore, yet u come not to accept the mandate but to offer lame excuses and flawed ‘analysis’ as always.
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
Whoever mentions May 12 should also not forget December 27. On that day both the most affected parties of May 12 ANP and PPP took their revenge by killing almost equal number of people, by burning cars and other vehicles and by sexually harrassing female workers here in Karachi.
On May 12, MQM goons killed political workers (some of them were equally armed and could not compete with better positioned rivals who were supported by silence of law enforcement agencies on that day). But on December 27 PPP and ANP goons found inncent citizen to commit their attrocities.
And that May 12 violence mainly between ANP and MQM was already looming in Karachi - arrival of the CJ was just a trigger - on the issues of demolition of kutchi abadies, removal of smoke emitting vehicles and rickshaws (which becomes an ethinic issue in Karachi only) etc.
Re: Musharraf Supporters Before and After Elections
Well, money speaks louder than truth. No country can deport because someone belonged to a party that some have branded terrorist or whatever. So, this news itself is BS. If this news was true than many from Karachi should get deported as many in Canada from Karachi support MQM or could be member of MQM.
If someone may have got deported, it could not be because he is/was member of MQM but maybe he had some record that Canadian government found out that link him to terrorism of some sort.
For instance, I am sure Canada would not deport PPP and PML members because they are thugs and thieves, just because both parties are party of thugs and thieves. Though, it is possible that a PPP or PML member may get deported because Canadian government comes up with documentary proof that shows that the person was involved in terrorism, looting, plundering or murder (as many from these parties are involved in all these),
If this news is true than all Muslims from Canada should get deported too as people in many country brand Islam as religion of terrorist, and thus anyone who was ever member of this religion (aka was/is Muslim) should be deported. Though, I am sure that if a person is found out that he is Muslim and was involved in terrorism, may get deported. Now what you think, because of negative propaganda, many in west consider Islam a religion of terrorist, does it mean that all Muslims are terrorists or that Islam is really terrorist religion?
So, either this news is BS as that is most likely or Canadian law is BS (though that is very unlikely, as news may have got manipulated or it is fabricated).
