Musharraf proposes to name NWFP as ‘Khyber’

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Baluchistan should also be renamed, and Punjab and Sindh too because their names have now got ethnic connotations, so we need neutral names which all ethnicities inhabiting those regions can identify with and not feel alien/foreign or insignificant.

With the exception of a few like me (needle in a haystack) Pashtuns are one of the most selfish and greedy people in the world and then we wonder why everyone hates us, try putting yourself in the other persons shoes before making comments like that.

Population census are usually incorrect in Pakistan and especially in our backward uneducated regions, I'm from those regions and have met people from all different ethnic groups and the reality is definitely different from the fabricated figures you are presenting.

I once read somewhere that the 1998 provincial census forms deliberately omitted Hindko to give Pashtuns an upper hand, when the Hindkos of Pishore went to court about it they said the forms had been printed and they had neither money nor resource to reprint them, they missed off Hindko when it is the original language of the region and has a 2000 year old history unlike later arrivals such as Pashto but they included Dari the language of unthankful, drug trafficking and murdering refugee Afghans.

Why should Hindko people have to part with the land of their forefathers which was theirs for centries long before Pashtuns arrived? I’m sorry but if we can’t live together in mutual harmony like good Muslim brothers then if anyone has the right to this city or province it is the Hindkos.

I'm proud of my identity but it doesn't give me the right to trample over other peoples identities because I'm a (Muslim) humanist, if patronising my identity means compromising other peoples rights then I'd rather not patronise my identity, sadly all other Pashtuns are too drunk on their egos to think sensibly like that, “assabiyyah” (‘biased partisanship’) as they call it in Arabic makes people into nazi minded morons, thank God I put Islam before Pashtu or I'd be like that too.

Pakistan = Land of The Pure, how they come up with the different letters is irrelevant now.

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Thanks Saleem for the excellent example. This is exactly what I meant.

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When the millions of Afghan refugees who still in NWFP return to Afghanistan, the Pashtun-majority will significantly decrease.

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erm i doubt it

look at the road thast link punjabi villages around lahore compare them to the main routes between mardan , mingora and swat and kalam ....and not to forget sindh.....

i guess you have never been able to comapre and copntrast

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many former hindko punjabi , urdu and persian speakers in pesahawar and kohat now speak pashtu..they are no longer able to speak their native languages.....

the afghans changed the situation so much that after pashtu its persian that is the second most spoken in peshawar....

if oyu look at trends areas west of the indus will soon be pashtun ....and those east will be hindko...

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many former hindko punjabi , urdu and persian speakers in pesahawar and kohat now speak pashtu..they are no longer able to speak their native languages.....

the afghans changed the situation so much that after pashtu its persian that is the second most spoken in peshawar....

if oyu look at trends areas west of the indus will soon be pashtun ....and those east will be hindko...

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if you read history books such as babur nama you will realise how low the population was here

when mahmud of ghaznawi arrived they drove out most native hindus who spoke hindko.....those who arirved with ghaznawi spoke afghani/pashtu and turki......turki is not spoken by anyone in nwfp any more ..unless in chitral....

most hindko speakers came after the afghans.,.....you would be suprised how many hindko speakers in peshawar, attock ahve kashmiri lineage.

the original hindko speakers , the hindus had long been driven out. it is the same story in attock too. the hindkowans probably gained under the sikhs where they along with punjabi rose as pashtuns decreased

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well said.

these people are very selective when it comes to ethnicity and culture.

the alif does stand for afghani but only when they need it.

oh yes why are most or were most pashtuns considered afghans in their id cards?

Black Magic....Kalaa Jadoo
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you have an inferiority complex.

if you bother reading you wil see that the pashtuns and baloch are considered one of the most hospitable peoples in central asia and south asia.

im sur emost people would agree here!

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the only solution is to break down the provinces.

why does nt afghanistan a country which is barely held together and whose ethncicites fought liek mad have these same problems? because they dont have pashtunistan, tajikistan within their own lands.

a new system should be devised where the provinces are made much smaller and relfect either the tribes or geographic areas.

looking at the dvisions whish were once used, why not use them?

Roma aor Abdul majeed ka nikah
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Faruk Khan, you are misinterpreting what I said. My point was, if people of Hazara want to part ways on the name issue, it is their democratic right. Rest, I have all regard for Hindku speakers. They are son of the soil, our own people, and our own blood and flesh.

Even ANP and PMAP have clear stand about that. They have played a very crucial role in the nationalist politics of the province in the past (Shah Rukh Khan family is one case example..) and they are very influential in ANP today (Syed Aqil Shah, Haji Adil, etc.). Another nationalist party, Pukhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party (PMAP) emphasizes that every inhabitant of Pakhtunkhwa no matter what language he/she speaks must be considered Afghan. Today, Hindko speakers of Peshawar and Kohat have become well-integrated in the mainstream society of that province. They cannot be separated from us.

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Now the truth comes out. Kabuli Kommies destroyed their own country. Turned Jalalabad, Kabul, and Kandhar into heaps of dust and sand.

Now these despicable charcaters are drooling over Pakistan. These low lifes would love to turn Kohat, Bannu, and Peshwar just like the bombed out cities of Afghanistan.

Afghan examples of ethnic tolerance? My foot.

  • Are Balochis treated better in Iran? Heck no!
  • Are Pushtoons doing better in Kandhar's dirt poor God awful land? Heck no! *]Sh. Mujib was a leader (even under arrest) in Pakistan, Did Bengalis treat him better? Heck no! Those Bengalis put Sh. Mujib and his entire family (kids and elderly included) in a meat grinder (literally) and made some great Bar BQ'd hamburgers. Now we have these Cookies-Shookies telling us Pakistan ought to follow golden traditions of Afghanistan. Wah bhai Wah. Subhanallah! MashaAllah jeetay raho!
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Stop putting Pakistan on such a pedestal like pashtuns or baluch for that matter are living in some paradise. You have a warped view of afghanistan's history, and its hilarious watching talk about it. Afghanistan was the battle front for the clashing ideologies, if pakistan went through the brunt of fighting a soviet power on their own soil, I doubt Pakistan would have lasted at all.

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Yeah right! I should quit putting Pakistan on such a pedesal. I should follow the golden traditions of Kabuli Kommies and burn the damn country down.

Yeah right! I should be as smart as those kabulis.

We hear the sob stories of those Kabuli Kommies. Sure you burn your country down in 30 years, and then tell us, hey you guys won't last even for 15 years of burning.

Well I have a news for you Da man! As long as our Army is standing in your way, as long as our army is kicking beardo a$$, we won't burn like Afghanis. So you drool over Pakistan, OK. Keep drooling.

The day Iranians start treating Balochis better, I'll be the one raising voice in favor of Iran.

The day Kandhar becomes a paradise for poor Pushtoons, I'll vouch for Afghanistan.

The day Bengalis accept the shameful act of butchering Sh. Mujib + his kids + elders of his family and doing BBQ burgers, I'll be one talking about Bengali tolerance.

Until then Bubba, quit ranting and raving, and go build Jalalabad, Kabul, and Kandhar.

Shedding crocodile tears for poor Pushtoons is an old Kabuli Kommi ploy.

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You at as if you care and that Pakistan has been the savior of Pashtuns, baluchs, etc. Do you even stop think about what you say. Communists weren't the only people who caused problems in afghanistan, it was much more deeper than that. The only croccodile tears shedding are yours, not mine, I have not labelled any one anything, but you have called me a commie, even though my family members fought against them in the 80s. Think before you write such stuff.

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If there were no Pakistan, all of the Pashtuns areas would be in shambles... If it werent for Pakistan where would the millions of Pathans have run to when they were kicked out of their homes? If it werent for Pakistan, where would the Pathans be?
Here is what would have happened, Peshawar and all the rest of NWFP would be a smoldering pile of dung the same as Afghanistan, and all of the Pathans would be refugees in Punjab or Sindh...

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Stop putting your precious Afghanistan on a pedastle… The only reason Afghanistan survived was because all the parasites that inhabit it perfer to eat it out from the inside.. No need to break Afghanistan when you can have all of it for yourself… Afghanistan hasnt lasted, Afghanistan is DESTROYED! Your culture is destroyed, your history is destroyed, your heritage is non existant… Whatever vestage of Pathan society thats left is in Pakistan… Correct me if im wrong, but dont most people in Kabul speak farsi!!
Dude, you can respect Afghans all you want, but face reality, Pakistan isnt as bad as you make it out to be…

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I never put afghanistan on a pedestal. I understand it that its not perfect, when did i ever consider it heaven. I am facing reality, but its amzing you came and replied my post, when antiobl said some of the most outlandish statements ever. Vestage of pathan soiety in pakistan thats sweet lol.

P.S. Afghanistan has longway to go, whoever thought otherwise.

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Ohhh, so that.

Our land has been invaded by countless hordes from Darious to Alexander, to Changez Khan, to Halako Khan, to Taimur, to British, to Russians, etc. and has seen destruction of more gigantic magnitude each time but the main thing my people have learnt is the i*mmense well-power to survive* ...(not only to survive but also to assert themselves). The hard land, the harsh natural environment, and the hard wars couldn't subdue my people what to talk of petty adventurists with adventitious rise to power...

My people is not a miserable lot to bow their heads in survitude to every new master and to be ashamed of their ethnicity, culture, roots, origin, and language...They have preserved their culture and individuality...They wouldn't go so easily from history man as you think....

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Nicely said Last kho khudaya pukhtano day laara wakhee. Tabah sho watan da jang na. Kala ba mung hewad ka pa khushalee ao aman rashee. Zray ma wae cha da arab wahabiaan , shumaly iitihad tol day yo pa yo rapara ko.