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^^ and after taking this oath...what he did for poor people of Pakistan...in history*..nobody did....*
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Musharraf
Because he is a great man and inshallah will make Pakistan a great country.
He is muc better then all the other loonies in opposition.
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CJ for sure, he has become hero bcoz of one mistake of musharraf !
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No use having a poll, CJ will win by a landslide right now.
BUT, my humble question is, when you oppose Musharraf and support the CJ, is it;
- Exclusively for the case concerning the judicial crisis and the CJ?
OR
- Entire Pakistani politics and the perpetually turbulent scenario and the ever pressing direction-less national urge for a change every 3 yrs the way it has gone for decades?
If it's 1, it's understandable that there is opposition for the Presidents action against the CJ.
If it's 2, and there's support for the CJ against Musharraf in entire Pakistani politics, those supporting the CJ should also pls inform the nation what they plan after getting rid of Musharraf through supporting CJ? What then? Will CJ join PPP, contest elections become PM and we'll live happily ever after? Or will the CJ be made the president till he decides to retire?
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I have lost faith in Musharaf.. He has let me down and im sure many others on many occasions.
I dont know who is this CJ is, but under him, many people got a fair hearing, and we had the immpression that the Judiciary was somewhat independant.
So I support the CJ, if only for what he has come to represent, the freedom of the judiciary... A free and independant Supreme court, the hallmark of a true democracy is paramount over an unconstitutional military regime which has no place in politics or in running a govt.
The Army has become a parasite, its time we sent them packing once and for all.
I dont know what we will get after Musharaf leaves, but I would rather perfer a democratically elected govt over this. For all its faults, democracy is worth putting up with. It is the lesser of two evils.
Under democratic rule, we have Economic hardships...
Under military, we have had political turmoil, and even cival war and the break up of the country...
Take your pick as to which is better.
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No use having a poll, CJ will win by a landslide right now.
BUT, my humble question is, when you oppose Musharraf and support the CJ, is it;
- Exclusively for the case concerning the judicial crisis and the CJ?
OR
- Entire Pakistani politics and the perpetually turbulent scenario and the ever pressing direction-less national urge for a change every 3 yrs the way it has gone for decades?
If it's 1, it's understandable that there is opposition for the Presidents action against the CJ.
If it's 2, and there's support for the CJ against Musharraf in entire Pakistani politics, those supporting the CJ should also pls inform the nation what they plan after getting rid of Musharraf through supporting CJ? What then? Will CJ join PPP, contest elections become PM and we'll live happily ever after? Or will the CJ be made the president till he decides to retire?
Couple of things have turned me around...
Musharaf govts refusal to deal with the Lal Masjid brigade, while treating the Lawyers and CJ as criminals. In fact, he allowed Shujat Hussain to treat those mullahs as though they were revered scholars of high standing. The govt literally bent over backwards and kissed Mullah arse to appease them.
The CJ on the other habd was in house arrest.
It tells us that the govt only repects those who are able to fight back... Govt isnt afraid of Lawyers etc, but suicide bombers make them pee themselves.
Musharaf seems to oblivious to the people.. The Lal Masjid brigade were threatening the lives of the people, and Musharaf looked the other way, but when the Lawyers threaten his power base, he goes after them with a danda. Seems Musharaf doesnt have the best intrests of the people in mind.
Second, Musharaf knew what would happen in Karachi, since he is from there. It was his reponsibility to either convince the MQM to change their venue, or provide such security that this would not have taken place.
Now, while the city burns, the President sits in his palace trying to figure out a way to save his skin for another 5-8-maybe ten years if he can.
The Army has stayed its course, and they have disgraced the country enough.
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Haris, its for the justice not for judge. The guy has taken so many action against the illegal acts of government, ISI, military, establishment, privatization and genral public matters, that are second to none in the history of Pakistan. They guy has worked in 2 shifts in SC, plus listening to general public and reading their letters personally for 2 hours daily, then used to take files home and work on pending thousands of pending cases. They guy was serving the country on the top seat, day in an day out, he has gone beyond obligation. A CJ working 16 hours a day doesn't deserve to be in Bh$%##$% Pakistan. Pakistan must be left for the wild dogs to tear apart. What is shown to public is just the polish, the leather itself is about to rip. If you are not sure, read up more about his daily routine and his actions during his tenure, Steel Mills/Habib Bank, nuclear waste disposal cases and the two different pictures presented by IMF and State Bank of Pakistan. You would know where this shining Pakistan is standing right now.
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I support a public and prominent chitrole of the CJ a'la Zia times when you'd see the moons getting a shine in morning dailies. ~OO
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musharraf coz he writes books that prove what a wonderful gift to pakistan he is.
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Past: Ganju Mian fired Mushy (even though it was legal), Mushy got upset, took over the country and kept whining about it.
Present: Mushy fired Ifti Chaudhry (even though it was legal), Ifti Chaudhry got upset and is running all over the country whining about it.
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Who cares about the people of the country and how many people die in the clash of the egos.
What a bunch of pathetic psychos we have running our poor country!
And if our choices are now limited to a drunk/womanizer army general or a drunk/corrupt judge, then may god help us all. Actually now I am beginning to think that even god has gotten bored with this lameness and is doing better things with his time.
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all these political parties are about to get a real mind fk. do you guys believe mushy would sit by idly and let the **** hit the fan.
i wouldnt be all too surprised if
1: judicial council votes in favor of iftikhar thereby reinstating him
2: political parties call it a major victory, celebrations break out across country, mushy asked to step down
3: iftikhar gives green light to mushy's 5yr presidential term
4: everyone left shell-shocked, parties claim they were had once more
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I always supported Musharraf, and I still support his views. But now he is acting like a tyrant. And so now I support independence of judiciary.
Musharraf has been good, but it has been eight years now, and we have had enough of him. As much as I like most of his policies, his time has come.
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None, but Musharraf has to go because the MQM terrorist spree a few days proved that his plan of taming these lowlives failed. He can only be trusted if he kicks the MQM out of the governmentk, cracks down on the party's badmaashi.
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To me, Pakistan needs modernisation, prosperity, and development more then democracy or anything else.
I do not care how a person comes to power in Pakistan, as long as that person is intelligent, sincere, incorruptible, and have vision to make Pakistan modernise, prosper, and developed.
I do not think that such person can come to power in Pakistan through democracy, as those that spend money to get to power, what most Pakistani politicians do, they try to get that money back if they come to power, hence are mostly corrupts. Hence to me President Musharraf is fine. He is doing a good job, and as long as he is delivering, it is fine with me.
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I always supported Musharraf, and I still support his views. But now he is acting like a tyrant. And so now I support independence of judiciary.
Musharraf has been good, but it has been eight years now, and we have had enough of him. As much as I like most of his policies, his time has come.
Yes I agree.
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saleem sahab...for how many times you will bring this point.....Its not president..if the father of president even come from his grave..he cannot dismiss the CJ of PAkistan......!!!!!!!
he cannot even dismiss the** lowest most jugde** of SC....
he cannot even dimiss the Chairman Federal Public Service Commmission...
who the hell given him the right to dismiss him....is this seat is so delicate that CJ of Pakistan have to fear of dismissal from President...Can a judge of SC work independently under such rule......
Constituiton allows** only** reference....
neither dismissal
neither non-fuctional
niether detention in house...cutting phone and cable and such nonesense
neither forcing to resign by DG MI...DG ISI...Musharraf and other 2 Generals....
this is Badmashi...nothing else !!!
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nuh uh :nono:
u obviously know something the large majority here doesn’t. Care to share the source of that allegation? I would question the corrupt part too but I’ll wait for the Supreme Court to decide on that.
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To me, Pakistan needs modernisation, prosperity, and development more then democracy or anything else.
I do not care how a person comes to power in Pakistan, as long as that person is intelligent, sincere, incorruptible, and have vision to make Pakistan modernise, prosper, and developed.
I do not think that such person can come to power in Pakistan through democracy, as those that spend money to get to power, what most Pakistani politicians do, they try to get that money back if they come to power, hence are mostly corrupts. Hence to me President Musharraf is fine. He is doing a good job, and as long as he is delivering, it is fine with me.
I doubt Mushrraf will stay longer. He has to make a decision on either to completely step down from power or give up some of it.
First scenario is going to be disaster for us, the second one, which is called General Election, requires him to have support from political parties. Mullah and MMA are not going to give him any. Rest like MQM and factions of PPP have their political future cling to him, which is Sindh and somewhat part of Punjab. If Mushrraf has the confidence of military than Punjab and Islamabad is more likely to vote for him. People and critics are claiming that the instability in Pakistan from suicide bombing and political violence is because of President. I think West and India is looking at it different way. India knows that it is President who kept the peace with them for so long. Situation in Kashmir is much better now than ever before. America and West know with Mushrraf they have someone to talk to. America can talk and deal with him about Afghanistan and India about Kashmir. It is a huge plus for him. The only problem is America, whose Congress has complete Democratic control, want some political support with it. Meaning they want a consensus from Pakistanis.
I think, Mushrraf will ride this wave out. He will be bruised but not finished. We will go into the election and expect him or his party to win 60% of the majority. It won't be a complete democracy, which I think will take place after 4 years from that election.
There is light at the end of tunnel. Keep up the hope, things will be back to normal. In the end, people of Pakistan know that this President have brought more money and prosperity to them than any previous administration.
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None, but Musharraf has to go because the MQM terrorist spree a few days proved that his plan of taming these lowlives failed. He can only be trusted if he kicks the MQM out of the governmentk, cracks down on the party's badmaashi.
If he finds time from bombing innocent children in madressas and kidnapping and selling his own citizens to CIA for $5000 a pop then maybe then he will go after MQM...
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The Chief Justice has my support as well, as he is fighting for a just cause against a military dictator who has played all his cards and is now desperately clinging to power. Musharaff has lied to the country many times since 1999, however the recent killings by the MQM, which many believe took place at the behest of Musharaff and Altaf Hussein, have only re-enforced the belief that Musharaff's time is up.
He will probably be removed through an internal military coup. The Corps Commanders of Lahore, Pindi and Karachi are crucial in all this - especially the Commander in Lahore who does not get along very well with Musharaff. It's only a matter of time before the ball drops.