Musharraf crumbling under pressure

Re: Musharraf crumbling under pressure

Musharraf just go!

By Shaheen Sehbai

WASHINGTON: The PPP-PML-N coalition has finally moved in the direction set on March 9, 2008 in the Murree Declaration and there could not have been a better birthday gift to the nation.

By setting Aug 11 as the date when the process would begin, the coalition has also sent a meaningful birthday gift to President Pervez Musharraf who should otherwise have been celebrating his own birthday on that day in a comfortable political setting. Not so anymore.

The decision to impeach the president is monumental and would be a real but gruelling test for the newly strengthened democratic system as its success would establish genuine sovereignty of the people’s will, represented by parliament, over national decision-making. It would also pave the way for a truly independent judiciary and continued media freedoms, both essential for a free and democratic society.

The presence of all the coalition partners at the joint news conference, including the FATA representative, was symbolic of the mass support the decision enjoys. The confusion in the coalition ranks in the last few weeks was created, and becoming menacing, only because some major parties were wavering on these basic decisions. Not so anymore. The political direction has now been set and categorical and public commitments have been made by all the major parties which got a resounding mandate in the Feb 18 polls.

What is encouraging is that both the major political parties have shown a lot of flexibility to accommodate each other’s point of view in the tough negotiations they had for weeks. Mian Nawaz Sharif has agreed to put the restoration of the deposed judges behind Musharraf’s impeachment, a major concession. Asif Ali Zardari has come forward strongly to impeach Musharraf, something which was missing in his previous public positions. This is the core of a democratic polity and must be welcomed.

The major decision to prevent a national anti-Musharraf Tsunami in the country now lies with the besieged president himself. He can fade away from the scene with dignity and some respect by honouring the wishes of the people, much in accordance with his promises that if he was rejected by the people he would resign.

If he fights with a depleted political force, as his supporters are not only discredited and in political wilderness themselves, or if he uses his legal and constitutional wizards once again, the country will face grave uncertainty but in the end Musharraf may have to go anyway, disgraced and even unable to leave the country.

The key factor for him to consider is that if he strikes against democracy there is no institution which can then take control and run the country smoothly and overcome the ensuing political, economic and social turmoil. It would be his biggest disservice to the nation and would amount to taking down his country with him as he sinks into oblivion or eternity. The best course for him is to go. Mr President, please spare the nation and go.

Mr president: please go

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This is what every one is saying here except few (Aalsi, Saleem and mostly MQM wallas). They might change their stance, if AH also agrees with coalition’s decision.

Some one predicted last year in this forum that Mush may not be President in Sep. 2008, Now this prediction seems to be a reality.

its juz one forum,,go to facebook or orkut u'll find plenty ov pro musharraf groups with thousands ov supporters!...ur juz in a state of denial..twistin n turnin the truth to suit ur own opinions..face it!

What do you have to say about the various independent surveys about his popularity, or should I say unpopularity.

Agreed. But look for current un-biased opinion of Pakistanis. They all want him to be out.

not all ov em..go check the poll on www.aryoneworld.com whr 65% ppl think he shud not be impeached n only 34% think he shud be..n stop attackin ppl personally by callin em campers n mqm ppl n pml q ppl,..they r juz expressin thr views..like someone asked me here that i must have voted for mqm its none ov their business

lol and did you realize you can vote as many times in that aryone poll, just hit back and continue again? I saw some mushtards on another community on a social networking site urging their handful of supporters to vote as many times as you can. If you want something credible, let me know.

Pakistan army to ask Pervez Musharraf to resign

If this news is true Mushrraf his history…

Pakistan army to ask Pervez Musharraf to resign - Telegraph

Pakistan army to ask Pervez Musharraf to resign
Pakistan’s all-powerful army chief will ask President Pervez Musharraf to resign from office within a week, a senior government official claimed today.

By Isambard Wilkinson in Islamabad
Last Updated: 5:57PM BST 08 Aug 2008

The claim was supported by a former military aide to the president who said that the army’s leadership wished Mr Musharraf to be spared the humiliation of impeachment.

The civilian government intensified an attritional, seven-month long power struggle with the presidency when it announced earlier this week that it is to begin impeachment proceedings against Mr Musharraf on Monday.

The twin arbiters of power in Pakistan, the army chief of staff, Gen Ashfaq Kiyani, and America, which has provided dollars 12 billion in military aid to the country in the last six years, have publicly declared themselves to be neutral on Pakistan’s domestic politics.

However a senior official from the ruling government coalition partner, the Pakistan’s People’s Party (PPP) said that the army has “whispered in Musharraf’s ear that it is time to leave”.

“Over the next few days they will make it clear to him [Musharraf] that a protracted battle [against impeachment] is not in Pakistan’s interests,” he added.

Yesterday Pakistan’s political class had an ear strenuously cocked for hints as to which way the army will move as Gen Kiyani spent a second day in conference with his senior commanders.

The former military aide to Mr Musharraf said: “The army is neutral but is expecting him to resign. It will then influence his honourable safe passage as the army’s senior leadership would not want him to be punished”.

The PPP government official said that his party had given an assurance of “indemnity” to the president.

The official, who has top-level contacts with Washington, said that his party had instigated the impeachment because Mr Musharraf, a key ally in the US-led war on terror, had begun to use intelligence agencies to plot against the government.

He alleged that Mr Musharraf had tried to use a former PPP leader, Amin Fahim, to “instigate a rebellion within the party”.

“Washington was still hoping that the PPP would work with Musharraf, but he was not working with us,” he said.

“America wants Pakistan to be effectively governed and so has realised that the domestic struggle has to be resolved”, he added.

Mr Musharraf’s future remained opaque as it is dependant on the unpredictable brinkmanship of Pakistani politics.

His allies said yesterday that he will defend himself against impeachment, if necessary by dissolving parliament and thereby risking that the volatile country be further mired in turmoil.

Shujaat Hussain, the head of Mr Musharraf’s Pakistan Muslim League-Q (PML-Q), which lost elections in February, said that dissolving parliament would be " unfortunate" but it may be “necessary”.

He told The Daily Telegraph that he had evidence that the move to impeach the president was made after the usually bickering coalition partners had struck a deal to hand the presidency to Asif Zardari, the PPP leader and widower of the assassinated former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto.

Mr Hussain said that presidential candidacy of Mr Zardari, who was granted an amnesty by Mr Musharraf absolving him of corruption charges involving hundreds of millions of dollars, would be opposed by the army.

“I have no knowledge of that but Pakistan would be better served by a civilian president with a knowledge of democracy,” a PPP spokesman said of Mr Zardari’s alleged presidential bid.

Provincial assemblies will first be called on to pass resolutions demanding that Musharraf seek a vote of confidence from Parliament, which would show whether he has the support of lawmakers elected in February.

* The coalition is currently several seats short of the 295 votes it requires out of the 439 in the Senate and National Assembly to remove Musharraf.

* Zardari's Pakistan People's Party and Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League- Nawaz, together with smaller coalition partners, have 266 seats and need a further 29 MPs on side, likely to be from the troubled tribal belt bordering Afghanistan.

* The party of ex-Premier Nawaz Sharif said Friday it is rejoining the Cabinet, a gesture of solidarity now that the coalition partners have agreed to seek President Pervez Musharraf's impeachment.

* A poll by the International Republican Institute in June showed that 85 percent of Pakistanis believed that the president should resign.

Just a word of advice, you are not “texting” here, so you can type full words of English language, I’m sure it won’t cost you more and your posts will be more understandable by everyone.

Re: Pakistan army to ask Pervez Musharraf to resign

Soon a new one will be sent to take his place.... A new puppet for us to see.

am not here to convince u ..get it..i've much betta thingz to do...!..n it wasnt for u anyways

diz iz how i type ..itz ma style if itz dat hard on ya eyez dun read it! itz az simple!

Chaudry Shujaat- Mush should step down

Looks like all the rats are jumping off the sinking ship :cb:

Lets hope we can undo the damage of the Mush years :jhanda:

Musharraf to decide future strategy soon

However, Chaudhry Shujaat made it clear that if the President tries to use 58-2(b), then he will have no support from PML-Q. Shujaat suggested Musharraf that he should step down before the start of the impeachment proceedings and the president should avail the opportunity to make an honorable exit.

Re: Chaudry Shujaat- Mush should step down

MashaAllah. Ch. Shujaat should have the nerve to ask for "President" Musharraf to avoid doing the wrong thing. It was under his party's watch the entire nation was thrown to flames with supplied fuel from his younger brother to keep the fire going...

I think Ch. SHujaat should be purged from the party first...

isay kehtay hain aastin ka saanp :)

Re: Chaudry Shujaat- Mush should step down

I guess its fair to say that Mushrraf has no friends left anywhere? Poor guy. You got to feel sorry for lonely old dictators. :D

Re: Chaudry Shujaat- Mush should step down

How can Mr R Gen Musharaf saying that Pakistan need him no , not at all , pakistan have the brave and great leaders , all the people need pakistan , pakistab not need any such person,

Astaghfirullah. Abhi hum baqi hain. :jhanda: :slight_smile:

Re: Chaudry Shujaat- Mush should step down

^Dekhtey haiN kab tak

I’m sure he appreciates you’re support & I hope you’re keeping his hawaali in Delhi in good condition in case he decided to retire there. :slight_smile: