Nawazoo and Zardari are going to kill their goose that is laying golden eggs for them. Once he is gone, they will have no one else to blame for all the problems they are creating for the country and have no idea to get out from. They are much better off keeping this drama going on for the next year or so. Once US has done what it needs to do in FATA, Mush can go and then the two can continue to plunder what is left of the land for years to come as per the charter of democracy.
I hope Mush resigns, waits a couple of years to see the country go to the brink of economic disaster and then announces to be head of Q League. I am sure he will win after the antics of these idiots in power.
So whats stopping him from doing so? Also, for the record, who is it that brought Zardari back, in exchange for his kursi?
Coming back to the topic, the US has said that his impeachment is an internal matter of the country and they will not interfere with it. That is good, thank you US.
Musharraf needs to resign and let the will of the people play out.
although if the ruling parties have enough power to impeach him, I suppose they have enough power to deal with all the other issues the country is facing, when will we see a plan for that?
Musharraf needs to resign and let the will of the people play out.
although if the ruling parties have enough power to impeach him, I suppose they have enough power to deal with all the other issues the country is facing, when will we see a plan for that?
We didnt have a plan in the last 8-9 years, and the 30 or so years before that so lets just get done with the impeachment first.
We didnt have a plan in the last 8-9 years, and the 30 or so years before that so lets just get done with the impeachment first.
sure, but is the impeachment the only thing people who were elected doing for the last few months?
go ahead and impeach, thats democracy, people elected their reps, and they can impeach if they want.
There are other things that the people want as well, and the govt can not be doing one task at a time. because god knows when it will finally get to education then.
politicians need to be held accountable for their promises to the people who elected them. If they are in power and not taking radical steps to fix the issues then they are not keeping their end of the deal.
just because we have never had a plan does not mean we should not ask for it now, does it?
Lets just forget the fact that hes pretty much let go of the Kashmir issue, and sank us to the extent that the mayor of Kabul is threatening to whoop us. Our sovereignty no longer existss, jis ka dil kya missile gira diya Pakistan ke ander, while he hops and sells his pathetic book.
Multiple internal warfronts, civil war, chaos, with insurgencies in Baluchistan, Pak army getting pounded in NWFP, Karachi's sub-don ethnic racist mayor issuing threats of changing geographies. This is all his doing. In the late 60s, thanks to another dictatorship we had one province developing problems and ultimately parting ways with us soon after. Like Ahmed Faraz said, this dictator is going for 2-3 in one go.
Spock bhaijan. I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Can you please explain a bit more about what you mean by the above? Thanks.
Spock bhaijan. Is that why Pakistan saw Unprecedented Economic Growth until last year, and the Unprecedented amount of Foreign Reserves which the current government is enjoying and running out of very very fast. :)
^^^Mess created by Mush and his former government in 9 years is enormous. Government can not even issue a policy decision; Mush keeps on creating hurdles for the present government. What do you expect? It will take at least 10 more years to just to clean this mess. If democracy runs for the next10 years without any hurdle, then talk about plans. Right now the major problem is to clean the sh1t created in last 9 years.
^^^Mess created by Mush and his former government in 9 years is enormous. Government can not even issue a policy decision; Mush keeps on creating hurdles for the present government. What do you expect? It will take at least 10 more years to just to clean this mess. If democracy runs for the next10 years without any hurdle, then talk about plans. Right now the major problem is to clean the sh1t created in last 9 years.
sherdil, with all due respect if present govt has enough suppoirt andf power to even suggest impeachment they have enough power to make decisions.
and as far as cleaning the sh1t, would that still not require a plan?
anyways, this is a diff topic and can be addressed in a diff thread without getting too side tracked here. I just fear that after the impeachment is done, and the problems facing the country with FATA etc still there, people will be more disillusioned. this sort of constant state of disppointmernt is not good for anyone let alone a nation. hopefully people are realistic about the immediate and short term impact. Another vicious cycle of political kushti a la nawaz and BB era and military stepping in yet again will not be good for the nation.
sherdil, with all due respect if present govt has enough suppoirt andf power to even suggest impeachment they have enough power to make decisions.
and as far as cleaning the sh1t, would that still not require a plan?
anyways, this is a diff topic and can be addressed in a diff thread without getting too side tracked here. I just fear that after the impeachment is done, and the problems facing the country with FATA etc still there, people will be more disillusioned. this sort of constant state of disppointmernt is not good for anyone let alone a nation. hopefully people are realistic about the immediate and short term impact. Another vicious cycle of political kushti a la nawaz and BB era and military stepping in yet again will not be good for the nation.
Let me give you one example, as soon as the new Govt came in, the suicide attacks happening on a daily basis stopped, and things were in much better condition. Everyones willing to give the new Govt a chance, except Mr. Musharraf who now thinks that he can stay quiet and be the President for life, while still having some of his henchmen creating trouble for the new Govt. They are leaving no stones unturned to fail the new Govt, and the only solution is to give the 'elected' Govt a chance, which will only happen if he leaves by himself (sparing us this impeachment confrontation). 8-9 years is more than enough for a self imposed dictator. Its time for him to pack his bags and get out of Pakistan for good.
Let me give you one example, as soon as the new Govt came in, the suicide attacks happening on a daily basis stopped, and things were in much better condition. Everyones willing to give the new Govt a chance, except Mr. Musharraf who now thinks that he can stay quiet and be the President for life, while still having some of his henchmen creating trouble for the new Govt. They are leaving no stones unturned to fail the new Govt, and the only solution is to give the 'elected' Govt a chance, which will only happen if he leaves by himself (sparing us this impeachment confrontation). 8-9 years is more than enough for a self imposed dictator. Its time for him to pack his bags and get out of Pakistan for good.
opposition has always created trouble for those in power as long as it is done properly. mischief has been an issue in Pakistani politics in the 90s with nawaz and BB trading accusations.
Now if the 'trouble' is not mischief but elected people who are politically exercising their power to impact the direction of the rulong coalition, that is part of democracy.
I fully want him to resign but i dont think that is the only thing preventing these parties from doing much. while Musharraf and PML-Q may be a thorn in the side, the ruling coalition in general seems inept, and that is not just me saying it.
so he gets impeached Monday, kewl, one chapter closed move on. What is teh govt going to do on Tuesday? what are their plans..or will they start sitting down to write their plans then?
Lets see if he starts crying and calls his masters this time (like he did last time), and goes to Karachi and asks Mustafa racist Kamaal (sub-don of karachi) to hold a dinner where he can sip on scotch and feel good about the paid gathering that praises him artificially.
If the ruling Govt is inept, why does it become necessary to have Musharraf as the president for life? What are his credentials besides his ability as a soldier. Also, I dont recall his supporters (or whats left of them) asking his henchmen for thir plans, because they didnt have any either. Even he himself came out and blamed Shaukat Aziz, his own handpicked leader for the economic problems, and urged him to come and face the music. Also, if he could import a numbers guy like Shaukat from the west to present a rosy picture, so can the present leaders.
If the ruling Govt is inept, why does it become necessary to have Musharraf as the president for life? What are his credentials besides his ability as a soldier. Also, I dont recall his supporters (or whats left of them) asking his henchmen for thir plans, because they didnt have any either. Even he himself came out and blamed Shaukat Aziz, his own handpicked leader for the economic problems, and urged him to come and face the music. Also, if he could import a numbers guy like Shaukat from the west to present a rosy picture, so can the present leaders.
it does not become necessary to have him for life, I dont think I suggested that, as a matter of fact I think he really needs to retire and leave in silence
if his supporters did not ask for him or his henchmen of their plans, somehow that makes it okay that now we dont ask the elected government of its pan to fufill on its promises to the people?
who he blamed and what nots has no impact on expecting current govt to have a plan
sure they can import a guy, the question then is, who? when? why? and to do what? that would be a plan, a direction, and assessment of needs, a search for a candidate and placing that person in the role to execute upon those needs by developing the right strategies and delivering upon them. so..what is the plan.
and its not just the numbers that is an issue right? I mean all these ministers, and chzirmen of this and that, they have some responsibility..so what is it, almost half a year inot their jobs what is it that they are doing? what are their goals, how are they going about it and what is the level of progress. Thats not unfair to ask.
I don't think present government has 2/3rd majority to impeach him. Definitely the process of impeachment will be cumbersome, time consuming, painful and worst, 9 years of **** such as cases of missing people, human rights violation, 12 May, 2007 massacre by MQM in Karachi, killing of Akbar Bhugti, killing of journalists, suppressing press, corruption by him, his ministers and imported PM Shortcut Aziz, etc for he is definitely responsible, will come out in the open. This might harm federation but military too.
Again as I already said for him, the best option is to resign if he really thinks "Pakistan First". Otherwise he has another option to topple this government using his powers. Which again will not save him either, country will plunge in deep sh1t, even the next military government then might not be able to save the federation. Most probably Taliban will be the next rulers.
sherdil, everyone is responsible, I mean what clean faces do we see in our leadership. asif? nawaz? and their new pal JUI guys?our tendency is that we get so stuck in payback and 'correcting the crimes of the past' that the present and future suffer.
if his impeachment and the inquiries and digging up all issues ie theonly thing that awam sees then yes it will hurt federationa dn military and the general psyche of the nation, but if that is just one thing among many that thegovt is doing and u see development and progress and advancement in other areas then that will not be the case. That is why I have been asking, what else.
we have three possible scenarios,
he dissolves assemblies and then well none of this current conversation really matters because the eelcted govt is out.
he leaves by resigning or by impeachment, what is next? what is it that the govt is planning to do.
he stays but is sidelined and has no real power, what will the country do next.
political deadlocks happen, political tussles happen, filibusters and what nots..but that is simpy not an excuse for a government not to have a plan and not be be delivering on their promises. They have challenges, things dont get done 100% the way that ruling party wanted, there is some back and forth.
as far as his impeachment goes..all asif and nawaz need to do is throw a bone to PML-Q folks and the remaining basis of support for him is gone. I really dont think the military will do anything as long as Kiyani holds true to his word.
Again as I already said for him, the best option is to resign if he really thinks "Pakistan First".
Sherdil123 bhaijan. Best thing is for the government is to govern, if they really think 'Pakistan First'. Apart from nonsensical rhetoric what has the coalition government done? :)
^ exactly. it doesnt seem like this government is doing anything but posturing on Musharraf. get it done and over with yar, enough already.
exactly they r juz tryin to divert pplz attention from all the price hike n loadsheddin..juz tryin to save their sorry ass..big talk no action..how pathetic could they possibly be..that pml n leader comes on the tv n talk all **** ...how very desperate ..same goes for their supporters..so very uncivilized ..dun even know how to talk in a civilized manner n they will run the country..sure
^ As if honey and milk was flowing through before they came into the Govt right? Even Musharraf himself has blamed his own leitenant Shaukat Aziz for the economic crisis and asked him to come and do some explaining. He has also attributed it to the caretaker govt, which again consisted of PML[Q lota] peeps. Ofcourse, all the miseries are to be blamed on the new Govt, conveniently ignoring the last 8 years. Everything during that was the fault of the NS, BB Govts.