Re: Musharraf better than rest
Musharraf is lot wiser than his stupid supporters, who think he has support of Majority. Musharraf will never remove his uniform and contest elections for he knows in elections he has no chance.
Re: Musharraf better than rest
^ Was Pakistan headed to the same fate as UK and Germany etc in 1999? thats why the comparison and that post 1999 efforts stopped the downward spirral that the country had been in.
as MWAP said..
so are we have become UK or germany
after 7 years , does any thing change in Pakistan
still no electricity
still there is corruption at its peak
even then we were standing on our foot but today , for every matter we have to at america and gov says "Allah key name pey kuch detay ja baba"
at that time we reject 15 billion for becoming atomic power
we were selling cars used by ministers to generate money for people in Pakistan
but now we know
since 1985 to 1999
only 30 Arab arab rupees key karzay maaf hoey
and today ministers and others ney 100 Arab key karzey maf kerwayeh
every day prices for every day things shoots these days
get the prices of thoes days and compare it with today
500 % increment
Re: Musharraf better than rest
Fraudia Jee, Pre 1999 Pakistan was under sanctions from US, if NS had been PM post 9/11, he too would have said yes sir to Bush and received all that aid and foriegn investment as is happening now.
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sanctions were only in place for a short time, if you look at what was going on prior to the sanctions you would not find much to cheer about either.
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and how was Pakistan heading towards same direction as Iran, Afghanistan, Lbeanon, Palestine in 1999?
heaven for terrorists. epicenter of terrorists. failed country. failed economy. no media freedom. opposition political parties with no voice. rampant poverty. civil war.
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You can't find much to cheer about either now.
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so are we have become UK or germany after 7 years , does any thing change in Pakistan
as a matter of fact yes. incomes are on the rise and poverty has been reduced. That is from global experts assessments.
even then we were standing on our foot but today , for every matter we have to at america and gov says "Allah key name pey kuch detay ja baba"
we were standing on our feet? huh?
read about Pakistan's economic situation back then, abd compare it to today there is a world of difference.
at that time we reject 15 billion for becoming atomic power we were selling cars used by ministers to generate money for people in Pakistan
'we' were also screwed over by the govt that forcefully converted people's forex accts into rupees at pathetic rates, while the ppl in teh govt moved their own forex savings overseas.
but now we know since 1985 to 1999 only 30 Arab arab rupees key karzay maaf hoey and today ministers and others ney 100 Arab key karzey maf kerwayeh
1)is one rupee of 1985 the same as one rupee of 2007?
2)along with this arzay maaf thing, there has been tremendous growth as well so lets not forget that. this loan forgiveness is not right, but lets look at it in broader context.
every day prices for every day things shoots these days get the prices of thoes days and compare it with today
inflation was always existant.
while the prices have gone up, on the whole the income has gone up as well.
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You can't find much to cheer about either now.
so you admit that there was not much to cheer about then? good.
now lets see if that is the same today.
Moodys, worldbank, major investmant banks etc seem to think otherwise.
You may want to go challenge them.
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and how was Pakistan heading towards same direction as Iran, Afghanistan, Lbeanon, Palestine in 1999?
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heaven for terrorists. epicenter of terrorists. failed country. failed economy. no media freedom. opposition political parties with no voice. rampant poverty. civil war.
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What crap.
**Palestine **Pakistan was not occupied by Israel for 50 years.
**Iran **Pakistan had not fought a war with its neighbour lasting 20 years.
**Afghanistan **Again Pakistan did not a have a war lasting 2 decades.
**Lebanon **Again a war torn country.
If a comparison is made then it should be made with India, and its clear that India under democratic governments did much better than Pakistan.
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so you admit that there was not much to cheer about then? good.
now lets see if that is the same today.
Moodys, worldbank, major investmant banks etc seem to think otherwise.
You may want to go challenge them.
Moodys, world bank and major investment banks don't live in Pakistan, ask some ordinary Pakistanis. DO you know how many comitted suicide last year? other than the bombers
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You are looking at history. I am talking about recent past, such as '99. Pakistan was declared heaven for terrorist, we had failed economy, no media freedom and political parties were being voiced down, something that is very similar in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and other Middle Eastern countries. Pakisan had 35% poverty rate, compared to now 23%. Our economy was delcared failed, no need for investment, now it is known as one of the best in the world. Moreover, in '99 we were heading towards civil war with NWFP asking for a separate country, which is now reduced to some militant outfit. We have come a long way and credit goes to Musharraf.
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Fraudia Jee, Pre 1999 Pakistan was under sanctions from US, if NS had been PM post 9/11, he too would have said yes sir to Bush and received all that aid and foriegn investment as is happening now.
yaar every one would have done so
Re: Musharraf better than rest
You are looking at history. I am talking about recent past, such as '99. Pakistan was declared heaven for terrorist, we had failed economy, no media freedom and political parties were being voiced down, something that is very similar in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and other Middle Eastern countries. Pakisan had 35% poverty rate, compared to now 23%. Our economy was delcared failed, no need for investment, now it is known as one of the best in the world. Moreover, in '99 we were heading towards civil war with NWFP asking for a separate country, which is now reduced to some militant outfit. We have come a long way and credit goes to Musharraf.
NWFP was not asking for separate country, rather now its worse, with largest province Balochistan becoming hostile and attacks on army increasingly frequent. The tribal areas are like a war zone now.
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yaar every one would have done so
therefore the title busharraf is undeserved because anyone in power would have done the same, thus we can not hold it against him right? :)
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You are looking at history. I am talking about recent past, such as '99. Pakistan was declared heaven for terrorist,
so have we changed
does all what we see on 12 may , was in some other country
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we had failed economy,
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so today can't i found any poor in Pakistan
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no media freedom
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is media free today
don't you know why musharaf gave this freedom
do you forgot the kargil issue which presssurize musharaf to have little bit free media but today havn't we see what happens with media when first test case arrives
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and political parties were being voiced down, something that is very similar in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and other Middle Eastern countries. Pakisan had 35% poverty rate, compared to now 23%.
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ask about poverty from people then you will come to know about really poverty
is it grows forward or backward
go in market and check the price lists
of today and then
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Our economy was delcared failed, no need for investment, now it is knowing as the one of the best in the world. Moreover, in '99 we were heading towards civil war with NWFP asking for a separate country, which is now reduced to some militant outfit. We have come a long way and credit goes to Musharraf.
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you have closed your eyes what can we say
at that time we rejected 15 billion and become atomic power and got sanctions
and today pakistan can't even say its on single word, that day we were standing on our feet
today we are saying to america "Allah key name per madad kero "
look towards reality yaar
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therefore the title busharraf is undeserved because anyone in power would have done the same, thus we can not hold it against him right? :)
every one had done so but bilateral
"kuch do , kuch lo"
but Musharaf had lay down in front of Bush with his tail up
what ever they will say , he will say "Yes Sir" typical army mentality
instead if there would have been some polition he would have done this but with some bilaterial but what we got today
no electricity
high prices of every day goods
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NWFP was not asking for separate country, rather now its worse, with largest province Balochistan becoming hostile and attacks on army increasingly frequent. The tribal areas are like a war zone now.
100 % true
and also show the picture of karachi
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the support received from US ws part of the bilateral deals. In a larger frame of reference the negotiations also had US do its bidding at worldbank etc.
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NWFP was not asking for separate country, rather now its worse, with largest province Balochistan becoming hostile and attacks on army increasingly frequent. The tribal areas are like a war zone now.
Yes they were. All of our provinces had anamosity against each other, espcially Sindh and Punjab. There was no harmony in the country and among people. Shia, Sunni violence was on the rise. Moreover, people in general lost faith in democracy, majority believed that we can not handle or function in a democracy. Now, everyone wants to vote, credit goes to Musharraf. For the first time in our history, Pakistanis believe that they can function the country without army. It is unprecedented. Musharraf have made efforts to ensure that there is never again martial law in Pakistan. Women participation in assembly have increased dramtically.
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the support received from US ws part of the bilateral deals. In a larger frame of reference the negotiations also had US do its bidding at worldbank etc.
we have got support just enough to kill muslims in tribal area
didn't got any benefit to improve our own matters
we are unable to generate enough electricity to get rid of load shedding
we are unable to produce enough jobs
we have got nothing for our benefit
what they have given is actually serving them