Musharraf and Rape

"You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a moneymaking concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.” President Musharraf quoted in Daily Times Pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_14-9-2005_pg1_1

I am speechless. To defend him or the rape victims would be so diffcult a task for Enlightened Paksitanis from now on. I see a label of Extremists stamped on those NGOs who are fighting to eradicate this menace from the society.

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Perhaps he knows something that you don't. After all, unlike you he has access to intelligence services reports on the individuals claiming rape.

Given that Musharraf has been pushing to liberalise Pakistani society, I find it hard to imagine he would attack individuals assisting the liberalisation without good cause.

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^ True. but it is disturbing nevertheless.

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Cabbage: A familiar kitchen-garden vegetable about as large and wise as a man's head.

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“Let me assure you that President Bush never talks about ‘when are you taking your uniform off’” Musharraf.
And he is a head of a Sovereign State? Defend this Maddy.

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You are diverting the topic.

Fact: Musharraf is trying to liberalise Pakistani society
Fact: Publicising rape and no longer hiding it strengthends feminism and thus assists in the liberalisation process, though they damage Pakistan’s international image.

Inference: Rape case publicity would benefit Musharraf more than it would harm him, since he already has a lot of international good will.

Given that, why would he make a comment like this unless what he is saying is actually true and people are taking advantage of the situation?

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Liberalise Pakistani society can wait. He according to your claim will benefit from rape cases? Sonia raped by a Police Head of District and Shazia raped by a serving Captain would benefit him? Just reminding you that Musharraf only came out only when these two cases were highlighted. Mukhtaran Maee and the Jirga verdict validated by Courts is yet another case, he did not like.

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All three of these cases would helped more than hindered Musharraf. It would have been easy to make a scapegoat of the alleged perpetrators (I say alleged because there is still no conviction of the Captain and the Police chief has yet to reach trial).

Indeed, the rape case could have helped with the Balochistan issue by easing the fears of the Bugtis.

My understanding is that the DNA found at the scene did not match the Army Captain. Kudos to justice for not giving in to trial by media.

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Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely. I parted with the system you are cherishing man.

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I dont think Maddy here agree's with Mush's ways, but he's just trying to put some logic to them and the discrepancies therein.

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how mean!

i cannot imagine him getting away with saying something like that.

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he's proven time and time again that he is a retard. i am not surprised in the least.

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There are always two opposite kinds of people when in an argument regarding Musharraf. One group claims him to be a Liberator while the other treats him the opposite. I belong to the second group solely on legal basis. He wasnt sworn in as Army Chief on the very constitution which he soon was to put under his own feet. A person who enters the corridor of power from the back door, can not liberate others. Given his mistakes, we shall face the consequence some day in future.

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:rotfl:

Yeah, as if you guys have any better alternative who actually does follow the constitution.

Sometimes, the truth hurts. There are women who do such things, sorry to say. He never said all women who claim they are raped fall into this category.

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Musharraf can start improving Pak's image by acknowledging the problem exists for one, instead of whining 'why me and not them'? It does more harm than good to the image.

Also, its how the gov/ judicial courts respond to the issue more so than the number of ppl claiming rape, that can do a great deal for the image itself (if thats one of his main concerns). What other people are saying about money making schemes is beside the point. Justice is the key word here.

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Have you sworn to oppose me on each and everything I say? Good to hear that atleast you care for constitution’s sanctity. None follows, not even the Daughter of East.

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No. You just happen to have views that I do not share, and I just happen to be the type of person who will voice my views.

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how long before people start seeing him for the crook that he is. He claims to liberate women but here are the facts
1) he privatised the women colleges making it harder for girls to study (atleast in lahore) i dont remmeber him actually starting a new college that is taboo for pakistani governments.

2)he encourages women to be out and about, marathon and such (dont jump on me i am going somewhere with this)

3) he legalizes cabels and such causing serious decline in akhlaqeeyat.

4) his wonderful attitude towards rapists. give me an isntance where the buggers were treated in a just manner.

5) his recent statment about 'some' women getting rape with the intention of going abroad.

My conclusion he is no better than anyother. Possibly worse because he is self imposed and manipultes every thing in country. So he pays little attention to educating pakistanis when it comes to virutes, even little when it comes to educating women about their rights and then encourages them to go out while offering no good protection for them if things like rape take place. Cheers we got ourselves a leader.

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Actually, I agree with Musharraf's argument...

It is demeaning to the Mukhtaran Mai case to be used and exploited as a billboard by every feminist and ne'er do well aunties to aggravate a situation which should be handled with finesse...

The Mukhtaran Mai case could have turned the face of Pakistani women as strong, independent and outspoken members of society, who rise to the challenge of reform at every injustice...

Instead the aunties and feminists have turned MM into a poster child of rape victims...Instead of aiding and helping Mukhtaran in her valiant efforts, the feminists and aunties keep displaying MM as a helpless rape victim rather than a stalwart and strong woman of substance who can bring reform...

Then these aunties and feminists want to export this helpless, hapless and forlorn figure of a raped woman to the rest of the world instead of using this courageous woman as a means to change...

The women are chopping their own feet...

If the world is so concerned about MM, then come to Pakistan and aid her...Why bring her to your country? Aid her where her efforts can bring fruit...

But feminists and aunties lack this foresightedness...Instead they see a media opportunity for being in the limelight to present a case of the disabled and useless woman rather than a woman who despite humiliation and degradation can rise to challenge wrong cultural customs...

These aunties and feminists are the biggest enemy and hurdle to both MM and Pakistan...

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^ :k:

Amazingly I agree with Lajawab for the most part. The exception is that some of these feminists are on the right track. Many of these ladies PRETEND to be feminists, but they actually don’t care about women’s rights. They get money from these campains they launch and that’s all they care about.

The idea of doing actual work at the grassroots level is totally ignored by many of these people and organizations, and its not unknown or false that many (not all) of these organizations are actually just money scams.