I compeletely symapthise with womem who have been raped and loathe the people who say stuff like :she asked for it: or joke about it or any such loathsome comment. YET there are far more women who get raped on the streets of London than in Pakistan, there are loads more women who get beaten up , insulted and otehrwise degraded in Europe than they do back home.... So I would agree with president Musharaaf.. i am not a big fan of the guy but you have to see his point of view... Nobdoy wages a media war against ENGLAND everytime somebody gets raped here....Nobody says that its the fault of teh English society... They don't go on giving ads in papers against their country?? do they... an individual who gets raped should get complete support with everything and should be helped out.. but that's about it... Our NGO's do take advantage of the fact... and play the roles of prostitutes just to get some money... I am a liberal person myself but not a traitor, the prez is right to some extent. take the example of mukhtaran mai for example... The national media raised the issue, she was helped out, the authorities looked into it and she was protected , that w\as alright till then and she really deserved to be helped but When she was named Woman of the year in Times magazine (I suppose) whereas other countries were represented by their scientists or businessmen and the like It was TOTALLY wrong. I live in London and I know how I have to clarify things in front of My foreign friends every other day when I know they are not true. Its all about runing our countries image and I don' sypmathize with anyone who tries to do it, our NGO's are to be blamed.
Firstly, NGO's or not, media in western/foriegn countries only pick up stories that will sell. The positive side is hardly ever noticed. But thats how its always been. Hence i dont think we can go around blaming NGO's or these feminist 'aunties' for something the media gets hold of and bloats. Cuz thats what they're suppose to do.
Secondly, we want to prevent the negative image that pak is getting so often, but we keep barking up the wrong tree. I mean, yes, rape occurs in London, New york, and anywhere else you think of, however, its not the crime itself but how the rape victim is dealt with that is causing the negative image problem.
How many of you think MukhtaraN Mai would have got any form of justice or support if the gov hadn't stepped in? An more importantly, how many think the gov would've stepped in, if it werent for the local media? You see this where us and them differ. Its more the general attitude towards rape, and how we as a society respond, that the media picks up on. Hence, change the nonchalant attitude/response, and the world media will change their tune at the drop of a hat. When you dont have much to talk about see, that is generally what tends to happen.
The General sometimes talks like a moron with no intellectual capacity, this was just another example of his verbal diorreha.
If there are some opportunists who have profitted from these ghastly episodes that doesnt mean rest of the poor lot sud be lumped with them and thats what the arrogant general has done. "Become a millionare and migrate to Canada-get raped"...now what kinda moron says something like that and that too a President of a country? Disgusting, dispicable, conduct unbecoming.
Whenever the Generalisom goes abroad and cries for his fight against Islamic terrorism does he not act like a prostitute who has cried one time too many? After all he and his sycophants have been well compensated for services rendered, just like a paid whore?
^ THis is not an issue of an image false or otherwise...this is an issue of legal and social recourse for woman in South Asia who are still treated like second class citizens when it comes to issues that concern their welfare. Statements like these made by Musharaff are shameful. YOu girls who live in the west, should go and meet and talk to the staff of www.sakhi.org. Because the women in and from south asia have shackles, cultural or legal to voice their displeasure at illteratmnet, they rarely report it and weather the atrocities. The girls they raise see and witness this and become ingrained with that mindset. This is the reality...for this ******* to talk so flippantly about these issues and to suggest that "woman get raped-by choice" is pitiful and to those who support an utterance such as this or are simply disengaged are just as complicit in this. Chullu bhar paani mein doob maro...jao..
THE president talked totally out of turn on the issue of women during his interview with an American newspaper published here on Wednesday.Asked about the Mukhtaran Mai case, he launched into his usual —- and equally tactless —- comparison between the incidence of rape in western countries and Pakistan. It’s happening everywhere, he said, and then added: “You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a money-making concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada and citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.” Even if a lot of benighted and bigoted people say such things debasing women, should a head of state repeat them at the risk of implying approval? If this attitude of blaming rape and other crimes against women on women themselves and ridiculing NGOs that take up such issues begins to travel upward from ignorant mullahs and male chauvinists to permeate the higher echelons of the administration, then God help us.
**A few cases like that of Shazia Khalid, Mukhtaran Mai and Sonia Naz have got publicity both at home and abroad. What about the women regularly abused in the countryside by landlords and powerful elements of the rural bureaucracy? What about the small girls brought to a Karachi hospital recently who were found to have been brutally assaulted? Did they go through rape to get a Canadian visa or Canadian citizenship? And if conditions in the country are so bad that to leave it, women are ready to go to the extent of concocting stories of being dishonored, then too we should be prepared to shed tears if we have any. As to rape in other countries, they pursue such cases, not ridicule the victims; rape is not accepted as part of culture, which it is here in our feudal set-up; the police themselves are not involved; they have no ‘panchayats’ sentencing women to be raped; those found guilty are punished and cases are not hushed up or shuffled from one inquiry committee to another. It is often the case that remarks made during interviews can get reported out of context or acquire an unintended meaning. But the president owes it to the women of Pakistan to clarify his comments.
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Like i said earlier, we're going about it the wrong way. The whole image thing is irrelevant to the victim at present and most likely to the average pakistani too. Although, I can see why Pak's image abroad is an issue for the President, he seems to have his priority well mixed up. At this point, providing justice should be the main concern. As far as i'm concerned however, pak's image is really a non-issue.
Just stone the rapists without any reservation...when found thorougly guilty...and do it fast...and if you don't do it...the 3rd party will do it for sure...you got what I mean...hmmmmmmmm
Why would any female make up a something as horrible as that?
Females like that are victims, but yet get the blame and the bad name themselves. Why would anyone lie about something as sensitive as that?
*YET there are far more women who get raped on the streets of London than in Pakistan, there are loads more women who get beaten up , insulted and otehrwise degraded in Europe than they do back home.... *
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. The statistics in Pakistan are not accurate, because most people don't report it and they sure aren't willing to tell the truth to someone taking a "survey". Pakistanis talk crap all the time, and they'll go to every extent to ruin a girl's reputation just for the fun of it, so its commonly understood that the stats on rapes, abuse, etc are much higher than what is recorded.