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i support the right of a palistianian state but i really dont think pakistan can handle the pressure which comes when meddling into this affair especially as the israellis dont want to see a palistinian state. this issue is not for the faint hearted. the best thing pakistan can do is help the iranians deal with it.
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Hahaha...this idiot mush has no shame...has been rebuffed by his israeli benefactors yet again...you are only good at slaughtering and handing over your own citizenery...don't get too big for your shoes...
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Me:
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Arabs are against Israel due to it being an occupier force. It did not start as a religious issue at all. Yasir Arafat was Pal leader his whole life, and his movement was based on Pal nationhood, not on religion. This is why PLA has always have Pal Christians in the movement. Even Arafat's wife was Christian. Even today, Yasir Arafat's Fatah movement is extremely against religious movement of Hamas.
The whole world knows it. Even many Jews say that. I am talking about Jews Against Zionism.
It's only Zionists and their sympathizers who yell about "anti-Semitic" Arabs.
All above is plain bull. These are mere opinions of an individual. No hard facts behind this rhetoric.
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All above is plain bull. These are mere opinions of an individual. No hard facts behind this rhetoric.
What is NOT fact above? What is mere rhetoric above?
Do you want to say that PLA was/is a religious organization? Do you want to say that Arafat was a religious person? Arafat's wife was not a christian?
If PLA's resistance was not about Islam then Palestinian was also not about their being Jew, but about their being outsiders (particularly Europeans).
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Iran has threat from Israel because Iran has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel. You cannot destroy a country without nuclear weapons.
Nuclear weapons? Aren't you the same guy who wholeheartedly believed a few days back that Iran is NOT pursuing nukes?
Iran for one never threatened Israel with destruction. It is Israeli massacre-lovers who threatened Iran with nuclear massacre. Do you want me to give the link?
And it is YOU who was saying yesterday that America is going to attack Iran in APRIL.
So who is attacking whom?
Why do Zionists always pretend to be dumb?
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Just because its tough does not mean one should not try or offer to help. Even if it means that the offer of help would not be accepted.
Musharraf has made himself a fool by offering himself to be disregarded by ALL parties of the conflict.
If Musharraf REALLY loves Palestinians then he should help them free from the Zionist tyranny they are living under right now.
Palestinians are living in virtual Racist Apartheid regime, which even former American president acknowledge as so. Why doesn't Musharraf use his "influence" there?
Musharraf should have been wise enough to realize that problem is NOT negotiations. It is the desire to NOT start negotiations. If all parties need negotiations then there are many leaders who can do it, including Turkey, which has good relations with both parties.
Why would Musharraf think he is something SPECIAL?
Or is it that he wants to prove his "goodwill" towards Zionist Apartheid Regime, so that he could be in good books of Monkey Regime of American?
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Question for Musharaf... Why?
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Me:
What is NOT fact above? What is mere rhetoric above? Do you want to say that PLA was/is a religious organization?
It was an Pan-Arab nationalist organization found initially in the 1960's on the principle of liberating the West Bank and Gaza strip from the Israeli occupation but then de-evolved into the destruction of Israel in the 1970's, largely destroyed in the 1980's and finally took the path for peace in the 1990's
Do you want to say that Arafat was a religious person? Arafat's wife was not a christian?
Never met Arafat personally so don't know whether he was religious or not.
If PLA's resistance was not about Islam then Palestinian was also not about their being Jew, but about their being outsiders (particularly Europeans).
I disagree. PLO's struggle against Israel was to gain a Palestinian state but the ideological struggle de-evolved into a Muslim vs Jew or Arab vs Jew and people mis-quoted the Quran to support their viewpoints.
If Israelis were of any other religion, Hindu, Buddist, Druze, Christian, Taoist, the PLO would have long ago came to the negotiation table and sued for peace. But it took them 30 years until 1991 during the Madrid Peace Conference that they actually spoke for peace.
Same goes for Hamas. It might take Hamas another 10 years after they acknowledge Israel and want to make permanent peace.
The driving force behind the stubbornness of Arabs is because Israelis are Jewish.
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Nuclear weapons? Aren't you the same guy who wholeheartedly believed a few days back that Iran is NOT pursuing nukes?
Iran in my opinion is not pursuing Nuclear Weapons but that is just my opinion and in reality I don't know what they are doing and neither do you. But the hardline rhetoric of its President scares the Israelis into thinking he is.
I have a lot of Iranian friends and none of them think that Iran is going to destroy it self for the sake of the Palestinians.
It is basically a ploy by Iran. Iran needs to get popular Arab and Muslim support and what better way to do that than attacking the Jews and Israel?
Iran for one never threatened Israel with destruction. It is Israeli massacre-lovers who threatened Iran with nuclear massacre. Do you want me to give the link?
Iran supports Hezbollah and Hamas who have called for the destruction of Israel. Its President has denied the holocaust has ever existed which greenlights him to commit a new one. Do you want me to give the link?
And it is YOU who was saying yesterday that America is going to attack Iran in APRIL.
I never said anything of the sort. I posted an article which claimed that.
So who is attacking whom?
Why do Zionists always pretend to be dumb?
They are humans after all and thus make mistakes such as Mossad's failure in the 1973 War and the 2006 war or the US administration failure to predict what will happen if they invade Iraq.
These mistakes show that Mossad, Israel, Jews and USA are not some omnipotent power behind every ill that plagues the Islamic World.
It is nothing more than a pathetic excuse generated by un-educated people and whose leaders want to keep its people living in the dark by blaming all the ills on their stereotypical enemies.
Perfect example: Hours after 9/11, Al-Manar TV, Hezbollah's Channel claimed that no Jew showed up for work on the WTC. And many Muslims bought that lie including yourself.
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It would be a miracle if anyone resolves the dispute between those 2 sides. Otherwise, I would have just gone over and resolved the dispute over memorial day weekend.
We can safely assume that Fraudz can do everything short of miracles.
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We can safely assume that Fraudz can do everything short of miracles.
and a miracle here or there, give me a $100 bill, I will change it into $1 bill right i front of your eyes
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Musharraf has made himself a fool by offering himself to be disregarded by ALL parties of the conflict.
If Musharraf REALLY loves Palestinians then he should help them free from the Zionist tyranny they are living under right now. Palestinians are living in virtual Racist Apartheid regime, which even former American president acknowledge as so. Why doesn't Musharraf use his "influence" there?
Musharraf should have been wise enough to realize that problem is NOT negotiations. It is the desire to NOT start negotiations. If all parties need negotiations then there are many leaders who can do it, including Turkey, which has good relations with both parties. Why would Musharraf think he is something SPECIAL?
Or is it that he wants to prove his "goodwill" towards Zionist Apartheid Regime, so that he could be in good books of Monkey Regime of American?
and how do YOU want him to help the palestinians? :)
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such backtracking 
you clearly believed the article when you posted it
As for Iran not pursuing nukes, u need a reality check
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Irrespective of what “I” want, Musharraf should not embarrass Pakistan by getting rejected from ALL sides of the conflict.
Now my opinion is this. People may or may not agree:
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?176062
Al-Harazin urged Musharraf to retreat his remarks over Israel, saying “anyone who wants to help the Palestinian people should exert efforts to lift the siege,” referring to a one-year-old embargo imposed on the Palestinians since Hamas took power last March.
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** Musharaf volunteers to help bring peace to Middle East:omg:
This has to be the joke of the century… and the funny thing is that Far far away Pakis fall for such things…
This may put some sense into the argument and Mush’s foolishness…
**“We don`t need someone to come from afar in order for me and Abu Mazen (Abbas) to meet,” Olmert was quoted as saying.
Baesti of Pakistan big time…
I wonder when this dictator will let us live in peace…and just get lost!
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sure man musharraf should back off, he does not need to mouth off about stuff he has no chance of sorting out.
similarly I want publications, religious-political party leaders, masjid mullahs and all to stop yip yaping about palestine and all as well. and to use their suffering as a war cry to fill their coffers and all.
Lets just steer clear.
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As soon as he gets his Revlon hair color encapsulated big fat head of his out of his big fat…
Re: Musharaf volunteers to help bring peace to Middle East
similarly I want publications, religious-political party leaders, masjid mullahs and all to stop yip yaping about palestine and all as well. and to use their suffering as a war cry to fill their coffers and all.
Lets just steer clear.
Sure, we should only support the rightful side, and not just be led by religion alone. The thing is, even if looked from a truly secular mind, it is hard to ignore the unjust treatment meted out to human-beings, and all in the name of religion (of Zionism).
If secularism is all everyone looking for then Israel should be a true democracy with ALL its people, including 20% Palestinian population, having equal rights as Iranian and Ethiopian Jews.
Problem is, Musharraf is trying to be neutral, but no one, irrespective of his religion, can stay neutral (and not support Palestinians).
That's how I think about this issue.
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^^ well you can't be neutral, then thats your problem
why should it apply to musharraf as well?
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\04\25\story_25-4-2007_pg3_8
peaceful middle men not required!
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Sure, we should only support the rightful side, and not just be led by religion alone. The thing is, even if looked from a truly secular mind, it is hard to ignore the unjust treatment meted out to human-beings, and all in the name of religion (of Zionism).
If secularism is all everyone looking for then Israel should be a true democracy with ALL its people, including 20% Palestinian population, having equal rights as Iranian and Ethiopian Jews.
Problem is, Musharraf is trying to be neutral, but no one, irrespective of his religion, can stay neutral (and not support Palestinians).
That's how I think about this issue.
we are bringing diff things in the equation now. the basic point was that if both sides do not want you to be involved then it applies to our awam, mullahs and all too, just stop talking about palestine and asking us to do stuff because our help is not wanted.
I support Israel, they have a right to be, they have massively horrible policies for non jews, and their treatment of Palestinians is horrendous. BUt I d support Israel's right to exist the way it was initially expected to be, so lets go back to 1940s and those borders, after over half a century of blood shedding and polarization, it appears that what it was initially was probably the best way to be.
anyhooo..