Musharaf the greatest leader since 1971?

[Sa1eem]

Re: Musharaf the greatest leader since 1971?

@ravage

mushie is the most disappointing leader ever for me. i never expected anything from BB or Nawaz, but I was so optimistic about Musharraf that I went to Topi from GIKI to vote in the referendum.

Ayesee bhie kiya baat hay? I voted for him in London and there were quite a few voters:halo:. I am not disappointed, why are you? I believe a lot of good happened in last 8 years of Musharraf rule. I wish more could have happened though I also realise that in country like Pakistan, there are many obstacles to any change.

Still, I believe that if there would be any change possible in Pakistan, only working class military man can bring that, not politicians as most in politics are corrupt landlords, corrupt sardars, corrupt industrialists, or corrupt drama baaz religion exploiters. All these people have bad intentions, as they work for their own vested interests and are mostly selfish. Military man might be good or bad, but what they would do, I believe they do with good intentions (results could be good or bad depending on the understanding, ability, and capability, of the person in power).

I still think that Musharraf intentions are good and he also has that required understanding, ability, and capability to bring good (could have been better though), but situation to drastically change in Pakistan needs time.

@Anwaar Qureshi

aur vote denaY kaY ba’ad aap ko hee topi pehnaa dee gayee?

Agar topi pahna dee gayee tou yea achchi baat hay :). It makes one religious and it protects one from getting cold.

@Zakk

lol, rav did i ever tell you about my British born friend who while visiting pakistan, was herded into voting for Musharraf by the police? You can trace Musharrafs power hunger from the days before the referendum.

It shows that whatever vote were cast, someone did cast the votes ;). That is different matter that some were forced into casting the vote. Probably these are the few votes that were cast against President Musharraf, right?

@ravage

i always wonder why they would do that when they can just stamp whatever the hell they want on those papers and give him 99 percent support?

This is million dollar question . If what Zakk wrote is true, it shows that all votes that were cast, it had real face behind the votes. That is different matter that some were forced to cast their votes.

@symk

musharraf will be the only dictator who won’t survive a day in pakistan once kicked out of office, may be that is the reason he is clinging to kursee even if he has to make a deal with benazir

Why is that? Why Musharraf won’t survive? You think that Musharraf is also similar to BB and NS; that they stay in country only when in power?

As for deal, I do not really think that there is any deal going on, though I believe that it would be better if deal with PPP is made. Because many in present day ML (Q) are retards, idiots and corrupts, though most in PPP are bigger corrupts, still they are lesser idiots and certainly not retards.

[Mostar95]

Re: Musharaf the greatest leader since 1971?

Mushy has let down his supporters during the last 3 months.

[Sa1eem]

Re: Musharaf the greatest leader since 1971?

Mushy has let down his supporters during the last 3 months.

Probably he did with some of his supporters. I believe main reason is misunderstanding and propaganda in media, trying to show story of the case not only with lies, but from one side. (Simple example is about using word sacking for suspension, giving impression to people that CJ is sacked, not suspended. Later when government protested, started equating word suspension same as sacking). Still, I do not think that it is big deal. I believe President would still going to be in power for foreseeable future. Though, I do not see media as free in future as they are now.

Nevertheless, I believe that Musharraf tried to bring accountability in judiciary, but most in judiciary are not prepared for that (that is obvious, as no one want to lose what they can earn from corruptions). Unfortunately opposition exploited the situation and many amongst people are also misled. It was expected from opposition, as most in opposition are also corrupt and abhor the idea of corruption free judiciary. As for people, this is result of free media, where media is getting paid heavily by corrupts and showing one sided story to people who have very little intelligence to analyse situations.

As for CJ, no doubt that he has done lot of good work and should get commendation for that. I personally wish that he was still there holding the office. But to say that he was clean, that would be lying, as it seems he was not (SJC still have to give judgment on him). To say that he wanted to do any good for the country, I believe that he wanted to (at least to some extend). Do I believe that CJ deserve sacking? Knowing Pakistanis and their love for corruption and misusing of power, I do not think that CJ deserved sacking but if he was not desired as CJ, he needed to get accommodated in another reasonable job, where he could have contributed.

Was decision of President on CJ case was wrong? It all depends on who is next on line to follow as CJ.

[In ideal situation, where there should be zero tolerance for corruption and nepotism, CJ deserve reference and if found guilty, deserve sacking and extra punishment].

[Silly_Billy]

Re: Musharaf the greatest leader since 1971?

Saleem, excellent posts. :k:

[Captain1]

Re: Musharaf the greatest leader since 1971?

Since leadership comes with 'cheater-ship' in most of the political/top-posts so I agree that Musharraf may be the greatest 'cheater' leader since 1971 ... may be even 1947.

[Captain1]

Re: Musharaf the greatest leader since 1971?

@Sa1eem

Nevertheless, I believe that Musharraf tried to bring accountability in judiciary, but most in judiciary are not prepared for that (that is obvious, as no one want to lose what they can earn from corruptions).

Would Musharraf bring accountability to his own institution first? Would he make all the generals/colonels/brigadiers accountable to people of Pakistan? Why not start charity from home :aq:

[Captain1]

Re: Musharaf the greatest leader since 1971?

@Sa1eem

Still, I believe that if there would be any change possible in Pakistan, only working class military man can bring that, not politicians as most in politics are corrupt landlords, corrupt sardars, corrupt industrialists, or corrupt drama baaz religion exploiters. All these people have bad intentions, as they work for their own vested interests and are mostly selfish. Military man might be good or bad, but what they would do, I believe they do with good intentions (results could be good or bad depending on the understanding, ability, and capability, of the person in power).

I don’t know where to start, but let me first ask… where are all these ‘military’ guys born? what families do they come from? what society? all these guys come from the very same country whose ‘politicians, landlords, sardars, industrialists, religion exploiters’ you said ‘corrupt’…