JalAyoon Bilfaiz [Urdu] Page 165
Mulah Baqir Majlisi attribute a detail dream towards Hz. Fatima[ra], she complained to the Prophet[saw], Hz. Jibraeel[as] came this dream was work of a satan named Dahr who misguide momineen.
Comment: If we accept this dream, this burst the shia claim of Infaliblity of Hz. Fatima[ra], as infalible people would not view such deviating dreams. This is allegation by shia on Hz. Fatima[ra]
Misleading argument.
Infallible people would do no wrong. They are infallible since God made them so, doesn’t mean the Satan wouldn’t try.
Misleading argument.
Infallible people would do no wrong. They are infallible since God made them so, doesn't mean the Satan wouldn't try.
"work of a satan named Dahr who misguide momineen."
you must read word "momineen" not masomeen.
also could you please provide me where allah make them infallible.
Allah said in Quran:
[16:24] And when it is said unto them: What hath your Lord revealed? they say: (Mere) fables of the men of old,
In Tafseer Foorat al-Koofi we read:
حدثنا محمد بن القاسم بن عبيد.أ، ب.قال: حدثنا الحسن بن جعفر قال: حدثنا أبوموسى المشرقاني قال: حدثنا عبدالله بن عبيد عن علي بن سعيد.ش ]: عن أبي حمزة الثمالي عن جعفر الصادق عليه السلام.أ، ر ] قال: قرأ جبرئيل عليه السلام.ب، ر ] على محمد صلى الله عليه وآله هذه الآية.أ، ش، ر ] هكذا: (وإذا قيل لهم ماذا أنزل ربكم) في علي (قالوا: أساطير الاولين).
"From Mohammad ibn Qassem [ibn Ubayd. Said: "It was narrated to me by Hasan ibn Jafar, from Abu Moosa Mashrooganee, from Abdullah ibn Ubayd, from Ali ibn Saed] from Abu Hamtha ath-Thoomalee [from Jafar as-Sadeeg (a.s)] which said: "Jibrayeel recited to Mohammad [this verse] in this form: "And when it is said unto them: What hath your Lord revealed (about Ali)? they say: (Mere) fables of the men of old"
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Allah Taala said in Holy book:
2/90.Evil is that for which they have sold their souls-- that they should deny what Allah has revealed...
Let us see shia variant.
Muhammad Bakir Majlisi "Biharul anwar" 36/98
قال أبوجعفر عليه السلام : نزلت هذه الآية على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله هكذا : " بئسما اشتروا به أنفسهم أن يكفروا بما أنزل الله " في علي " بغيا "
"Abu Jafar (a.s) said: " That aya was revealed to rasulullah (SAW) like this: "Evil is that for which they have sold their souls-- that they should deny what Allah has revealed about Ali"
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Allah said:
[4:166] But Allah bears witness by what He has revealed to you that He has revealed it with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness (also); and Allah is sufficient as a witness.
Shia variant.
Fayz Kashani "Tafsir As Safi" vol 1, p 523
عن الصادق عليه السلام انما انزلت لكن الله يشهد بما أنزل اليك في علي في الآية
"From Sadig (a.s): "It was revealed "But Allah bears witness by what He has revealed to you about Ali in aya"
Also see "Bihar" 36/93
عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال : إنما نزلت : " لكن الله يشهد بما انزل إليك " في علي " أنزله بعلمه والملائكة يشهدون وكفى بالله شهيدا
"But Allah bears witness by what He has revealed to you "about Ali" that He has revealed it with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness (also); and Allah is sufficient as a witness".
Ali ibn Ibrahim Al Qummi clearly stated in his tafsir that this aya is corrupted:
" و أما ما هو محرف منه فهو قوله «لكن الله يشهد بما أنزل إليك في علي أنزله بعلمه و الملائكة يشهدون»
"And what about corrupted, it is: "But Allah bears witness by what He has revealed to you about Ali that He has revealed it with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness (also)"
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Ali ibn Ibraheem al-Qoomi in his tafseer:
1/5
فالقرآن منه ناسخ، ومنه منسوخ، ومنه محكم، ومنه متشابه، ومنه عام، ومنه خاص، ومنه تقديم، ومنه تأخير، ومنه منقطع، ومنه معطوف، ومنه حرف مكان حرف، ومنه على خلاف ما انزل الله
Translation:
"Therefore, part of the Qur'an is an Abrogator and Abrogated, part is clear (Muhkam) and part is ambiguous (Mutashabih), part is in the general context, and part is particularized, part of it was placed forward and part is placed in the rear, part of it is severed and part of is connected, part of it is a letter in a place of another, and part of it is contrary to the manner revealed by Allah"
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واما ما هو كان على خلاف ما انزل الله فهو قوله " كنتم خير امة اخرجت للناس تأمرون بالمعروف وتنهون عن المنكر وتؤمنون بالله(2) " فقال ابوعبدالله عليه السلام لقاري هذه الآية " خير امة " يقتلون امير المؤمنين والحسن والحسين بن علي عليه السلام؟ فقيل له وكيف نزلت يابن رسول الله؟ فقال انما نزلت " كنتم خير ائمة اخرجت للناس " الا ترى مدح الله لهم في آخر الآية " تأمرون بالمعروف وتنهون عن المنكر وتؤمنون بالله " ومثله آية قرئت على ابى عبدالله عليه السلام " الذين يقولون ربنا هب لنا من ازواجنا وذرياتنا قرة اعين واجعلنا للمتقين اماما(3) " فقال ابوعبدالله عليه السلام لقد سألوا الله عظيما ان يجعلهم للمتقين اماما فقيل له يابن رسول الله كيف نزلت؟ فقال انما نزلت " الذين يقولون ربنا هب لنا من ازواجنا وذرياتنا قرة اعين واجعل لنا من المتقين اماما "
Translation:
"And what about contradictions: “You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah”. Abu Abdullah said to (a man) who read this: “The best of nations? Which killed amirulmomineen, and Hassan and Hussein bin Ali (a.s)? And it was said to him: “How it’s revealed o son of prophet?”. He replied: “You are the best of the imams raised up for (the benefit of) men”. Do you not see, how Allah praise them in other verse? “You enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah”?
And the same situation, when in present of Abu Abdullah (someone) was reading: “And they who say: O our Lord! grant us in our wives and our offspring the joy of our eyes, and make us guides to those who guard (against evil)”. And Abu Abdullah said: “And they asked Allah Sublime, to gave them imams from God-fearing”. And it was said to him: “How it’s revealed o son of prophet?”. He replied: “And they who say: O our Lord! grant us in our wives and our offspring the joy of our eyes, and gave us imams from God-fearing”.
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واما ما هو محرف منه فهو قوله " لكن الله يشهد بما انزل اليك في على انزله بعلمه والملائكة يشهدون(5) " وقوله " يا ايها الرسول بلغ ما انزل اليك من ربك في على فان لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته(6) " وقوله " ان الذين كفروا
وظلموا آل محمد حقهم لم يكن الله ليغفر لهم(1) " وقوله " وسيعلم الذين ظلموا آل محمد حقهم اي منقلب ينقلبون(2) " وقوله " ولو ترى الذين ظلموا آل محمد حقهم في غمرات الموت(3) "
Translation:
"And what about corruptions, that: “ (4/166) But Allah bears witness by what He has revealed to you about Ali, that He has revealed it with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness (also)” and “(5/67) O Messenger! deliver what bas been revealed to you from your Lord about Ali; and if you do it not, then you have not delivered His message” and “ (4/168) Surely (as for) those who disbelieve and act unjustly towards family of Mohammad, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to a path”, and “(26/227) and they who act unjustly towards family of Mohammad, shall know to what final place of turning they shall turn back”, and “ (6/93) and if you had seen when the unjust towards family of Mohammad, shall be in the agonies of death”
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Ayashee in his tafseer (attachment 1):
Translation:
"Abu Hamza reported from Abu Jafar: "Jibril (a.s)descend with this aya: "but most men refuse vilayat of Ali and accept nothing but disbelief "
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Fayz Kashani in tafseer "As Safi":
المستفاد من جميع هذه الأخبار وغيرها من الروايات من طريق أهل البيت عليهم السلام إن القرآن الذي بين أظهرنا ليس بتمامه كما انزل على محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم بل منه ما هو خلاف ما أنز الله ومنه ما هو مغير ومحرف وإنه قد حذف عنه أشياء كثيرة منها اسم علي عليه السلام في كثير من المواضع ومنها غير ذلك وأنه ليس أيضا على الترتيب المرضي عند الله وعند رسوله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم .
وبه قال علي بن إبراهيم
Translation:
'It is clear from all of these traditions and quotations from the Family of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) that the present Quran is not the complete Quran which was revealed to the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). In fact, there are verses that contradict that which was revealed; verses that have been distorted and places where omissions have been made such as the names of Ali, the Family of Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and, on several occasions, there were the names of the hypocrites. Moreover, the present order of the Quran is not according to the preferred order of Allah and His Messenger. Ali ibn Ibrahim (a renowned commentator) also holds this opinion.' (Tafseer of Saafi: l:49)
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And again Kashani "Tafsir as-safi" vol 1, p 52
"As for (the opinion of) OUR SCHOLARS (may Allah be pleased with them (!!!)) on this topic, then what is obvious from Thiqatul Islam Muhammad bin Ya’kub AL-KULAYNI that he believed in the MANIPULATION AND LOSS in the QURAAN because he recorded narrations of this meaning in his book Al-Kafi without criticizing it at all, besides he mentioned at the beginning of his book that he trusted in what he had narrated and also (this applies to) his teacher Ali bin Ibrahim Al-Qummy (may Allah be pleased with him (!!!)) since his tafsir is full of that (manipulation of the Quraan) and he has some extremism on this topic and also Sheikh Ahmad bin Abi Talib Al-TABRASSI (may Allah be pleased with him (!!!)) since he followed these two (on this matter) exactly in his Al-Ihtijaj”
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Kulayni. "Usool al-Kafy" vol. 2, Kitaab: Fadlul-Qur'an, narration # 28:
"Ali b. al-Hakam from Hishaam b. Salim from Abu Abdullah [as] saying: Verily, the Qur'an which Gibril [as] came up with to Muhammad [saw] is 17,000 verses".
Majleese in “Mirat al uqool” said narration “muwathaq”.
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Nimatullah Al-Jazaeri, in his book Al-Anwar Al-Numania p.360-362 said that after Ali (r.a) collected Quran, he brought it to Caliphs and said to them:“This is the book of Allah as revealed. So Umar Ibn Al-Khattab said to him: We have no need of you nor your Quran. We have a Quran writted by Usman. So Ali said to them: “You will not see it after this day , and none will see until my son the Mehdi emerges.” In that Quran are many additions and it is free from alteration…”
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Allah said:
[18:29] And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve; surely We have prepared for the iniquitous a fire, the curtains of which shall encompass them about; and if they cry for water, they shall be given water like molten brass which will scald their faces; evil the drink and ill the resting-place.
Shia variant:
Fayz Kashani “As Safi” vol 3, p 241
في الكافي عن الباقر عليه السلام نزل جبرئيل عليه السلام بهذه الآية هكذا وقل الحق من ربكم في ولاية علي عليه السلام فمن شاء فليؤمن ومن شاء فليكفر إنا اعتدنا للظالمين على آل محمد نارا
Translation:
"In Kafi narrated from Al Bagir (a.s): "Jibril (a.s)descend with this aya: “And say: The truth is from your Lord in vilayat of Ali , so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve; surely We have prepared for the iniquitous to family of Muhammad a fire”
The same in “Bihar” 23/379
قال : ونزل جبرئيل بهذا الآية هكذا : " وقل الحق من ربكم " في ولاية علي عليه السلام " فمن شاء فليؤمن ومن شاء فليكفر إنا أعتدنا للظالمين " آل محمد " نارا
And the narration in “Bihar” 24/226 from Abu Jafar. Just a little difference, in the end “for the iniquitous to rights of Muhammads famil a fire”
عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام قال : قوله تعالى : وقل الحق من ربكم في ولاية علي عليه السلام فمن شاء فيؤمن ومن شاء فيكفر إنا أعتدنا لظالمي آل محمد حقهم
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Allah said:
(Furgan 50) And indeed We have distributed it (rain or water) amongst them in order that they may remember the Grace of Allah, but most men refuse and accept nothing but disbelief.
Shia say:
Muhammad Bakir Majlisi narrated in his book “Bihar ul anwar” 36/105
عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام قال : نزل جبرئيل بهذه الآية هكذا : " فأبى أكثر الناس " بولاية علي " إلا كفورا
Translation:
"From Abu Jafar (a.s): "Jibril (a.s)descend with this aya: "but most men refuse “vilayat of Ali” and accept nothing but disbelief "
“Safi” vol 3, p 216, by Fayz Kashani
في الكافي والعياشي عن الباقر عليه السلام نزل جبرئيل بهذه الآية هكذا فأبى أكثر الناس بولاية علي عليه السلام إلا كفورا
Translation:
"In “Kafi” and (tafsir) Ayashi from Al Bagir: "Jibril (a.s)descend with this aya: “but most men refuse vilayat of Ali (a.s) and accept nothing but disbelief”
And also see “Bihar” 23/379
"فأبى أكثر الناس " بولاية علي " إلا كفورا
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Allah said:
(2/23)"And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful. ".
Shias say:
نزل جبرئيل بهذه الآية على محمد هكذا: وان كنتم في ريب مما نزلنا على عبدنا في على فأتوا بسورة من مثله
Translation:
"Jibril revealed to Muhammad with this aya in this way: “And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant about Ali, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful”.
Reference:
Muhammad Bakir Majlisi “Biharul anwar” 23/373
وقال : نزل جبرئيل عليه السلام بهذه الاية على محمد صلى الله عليه وآله هكذا : " وإن كنتم في ريب مما نزلنا على عبدنا " في علي عليه السلام " فأتوا بسورة من مثله "
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Allah Taala said:
[33:71] He will put your deeds into a right state for you, and forgive you your faults; and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, he indeed achieves a mighty success.
Shia say:
Muhammad.B.Majlisi “Biharul anwar” 23/301
عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام أنه قال : " من يطع الله ورسوله " في ولاية علي والائمة من بعده " فقد فاز فوزا عظيما "
Translation:
“From Abu Abdullah (a.s): " whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger"in vilayat of Ali and imams after him”, he indeed achieves a mighty success"
And the same in “Al Kafi” by Kulayni vol 1, p 414
عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام في قول الله عزوجل: " ومن يطع الله ورسوله (في ولاية علي وولاية] الائمة من بعده) فقد فاز فوزا عظيما
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Allah Taala said:
[43:39] And it profiteth you not this day, because ye did wrong, that ye will be sharers in the doom.
And now shia variant
Allama Majlisi “Biharul anwar” 35/368
( لن ينفعكم اليوم إذ ظلمتم ) آل محمد حقهم( أنكم في العذاب مشتركون )
Translation:
“(And it profiteth you not this day, because ye did wrong) to rights of Muhammad’s family, (that ye will be sharers in the doom)”.
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Bahranee in “Basair darajat” (vol 2, ch 17, printed in Tehran1285 h) reported:
حدثنا علي بن محمد عن القاسم بن محمد بن سليمان بن داؤد عن يحيى بن أديم عن شريك عن جابر قال قال أبو جعفر: دعا رسول الله أصحابه بمنى فقال: يا أيها الناس إني تارك فيكم حرمات الله، كتاب الله وعترتي والكعبة، البيت الحرام، ثم قال أبو جعفر: أما كتاب الله فحرفوا، وأما الكعبة فهدموا، وأما العترة فاقتلوا، "
Translation:
"From Ali ibn Mohammad, Qaseem ibn Mohammad ibn Sulayman ibn Daud, Yahya ibn Adim, from Shareek, from Jabeer from Abu Jafar (a.s): "Prophet called his companion in Mina, and said: “I’m leaving for you the holy things: The book of Allah, members of my family, and holy Kaaba”. Then Abu Jafar (a.s) said: “I see now: The book of Allah was tampered after the prophet, Kaaba was destroyed, and members of prophet’s family were killed”.
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One narration, with little diference was reported by:
Majlisi in “Bihar ul anwar” 89/42-43:
في رواية أبي ذر الغفاري رضي الله عنه أنه لما توفي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله جمع علي عليه السلام القرآن وجاء به إلى المهاجرين والانصار وعرضه عليهم كما قد أوصاه بذلك رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم .
فلما فتحه أبوبكر خرج في أول صفحة فتحها فضائح القوم ، فوثب عمر وقال : يا علي اردده فلا حاجة لنا فيه ، فأخذه علي عليه السلام وانصرف ثم أحضروا زيد بن ثابت وكان قاريا للقرآن ، فقال له عمر : إن عليا جاءنا بالقرآن ، وفيه فضائح المهاجرين والانصار : وقد رأينا أن نؤلف القرآن ونسقط منه ما كان فيه فضيحة وهتك للمهاجرين والانصار ، فأجابه زيد إلى ذلك ثم قال : فان أنا فرغت من القرآن على ما سألتم وأظهر علي القرآن الذي ألفه أليس قد
بطل ما قد عملتم ؟ قال عمر : فما الحيلة ؟ قال زيد أنتم أعلم بالحيلة ، فقال عمر : ما حيلة دون أن نقتله ونستريح منه ، فدبر في قتله على يد خالدبن الوليد ، فلم يقدر على ذلك وقد مضى شرح ذلك فلما استخلف عمر سأل عليا عليه السلام أن يدفع إليهم القرآن فيحرفوه فيما بينهم ، فقال : يا أبا الحسن إن جئت بالقرآن الذي كنت جئت به إلى أبي بكر حتى نجتمع عليه ، فقال علي عليه السلام : هيهات ليس إلى ذلك سبيل إنما جئت به إلى أبي بكر لتقوم الحجة عليكم ولا تقولوا يوم القيامة إنا كنا عن هذا غافلين أو تقولوا ما جئتنا به ، إن القرآن الذي عندي لا يمسه إلا المطهرون والاوصياء من ولدي ، فقال عمر : فهل وقت لا ظهاره معلوم ؟ قال علي عليه السلام : نعم إذا اقام القائم من ولدي يظهره ويحمل الناس عليه فتجري السنة عليه
Feyz Kashani “Safi” 1/43-44
قال : وفي رواية أبي ذر الغفاري رضي الله عنه أنه لما توفي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله جمع علي عليه السلام القرآن وجاء به إلى المهاجرين والأنصار وعرضه عليهم لما قد أوصاه بذلك رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله فلما فتحه أبو بكر خرج في أول صفحة فتحها فضائح القوم فوثب عمر فقال : يا علي أردده فلا حاجة لنا فيه فأخذه علي عليه السلام وانصرف ثم احضر زيد بن ثابت وكان قارئا للقرآن فقال له عمر إن عليا عليه السلام جاءنا بالقرآن وفيه فضائح المهاجرين والأنصار ، وقد أردنا أن تؤلف لنا القرآن وتسقط منه ما كان فيه فضيحة وهتك للمهاجرين والأنصار . فأجابه زيد إلى ذلك ثم قال : فإن أنا فرغت من القرآن على ما سألتم وأظهر علي القرآن الذي ألفه أليس قد بطل كل ما قد عملتم . ثم قال عمر : فما الحيلة ؟ قال زيد : أنتم أعلم بالحيلة . فقال عمر : ما الحيلة دون أن نقتله ونستريح منه . فدبر في قتله على يد خالد بن الوليد فلم يقدر على ذلك وقد مضى شرح ذلك (1) ، فلما استخلف عمر سأل عليا أن يدفع إليهم القرآن فيحرفوه فيما بينهم . فقال : يا أبا الحسن إن كنت جئت به إلى أبي بكر فأت به إلينا حتى نجتمع عليه . فقال علي عليه السلام : هيهات ليس إلى ذلك سبيل إنما جئت به إلى أبي بكر لتقوم الحجة عليكم ولا
تقولوا يوم القيامة إنا كنا عن هذا غافلين أو تقولوا ما جئتنا به إن القرآن الذي عندي لا يمسه إلا المطهرون والأوصياء من ولدي فقال عمر فهل وقت لإظهاره معلوم ؟ قال علي عليه السلام : نعم إذا قام القائم من ولدي يظهره ويحمل الناس عليه فتجري السنة به
Translation:
"As it was reported from Abu Zarr al Gifaree: “When prophet died, Ali gathered Quran, and came to muhajeers and ansaars. He showed them Quran, as it was entrusted by prophet. When Abu Bakr opened it, he seen on the first page the things which disgracing them. Then Umar jump up and said: “Ali, take it away from here, we don’t need it”. Ali (a.s) took it, and left. After that they called for Zayd ibn Thaabit. He was one from the Quran reciters. Umar said to him: “Ali brought us Quran, with bad deeds of muhajeers and ansaars written in. We decided to write down Quran ourselves. So we can delete from it, the places which defame muhajeers and ansaars”. After gathering Quran, Zyd brought it to them and said: “If I will do all that u say. And he will show me his Quran. Then your intentions will perish?”. Umar asked: “So, what should we do with him?”
Zayd said: “U are better in plot against someone, that me”. Umar said: “We have no other choice than to kill him”. He decided to kill Ali, along with Khaleed ibn Waleed.
But Khaleed couldn’t do that. When Umar became caliph, he asked Ali (a.s) to bring Quran. They wanted to tamper it. Umar said: “O Abu Hasan! Bring us Quran. Which u showed to Abu Bakr, and we will gather around its ruling”. Ali (a.s) said: “No need for that already! I brought it to Abu Bakr, so there would be evidence against u in the dooms say, and can’t say: “we didn’t know”. My Quran, is Quran, which couldn’t be touched except Most-Pure offspring from my children, and wasees”. Umar asked: “Is time of his appearance is known?”. He (a.s) said: “Yes, it’s time when one man from my offspring will appear, and will bring Quran, and will raise humankind with it”.
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Kamalutdin Meysam Bahranee in his “Sharhul nahjul balaga” 11/1, published in Tegeran:
أنه جمع الناس على قراءة زيد بن ثابت خاصة وأحرق المصاحف، وأبطل ما لا شك أنه من القرآن المنزل
Translation:
“He (Uthmaan ibn Affan) called people to the recitation of Zayd ibn Thaabit, burned the rolls, and destroyed the real revealed Quran, without any doubt”.
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Hurr al Amili in “Wasael ush shia” 6/163:
7631 ] 2 ـ وعن عدّة من أصحابنا ، عن سهل بن زياد ، عن محمّد بن سليمان ، عن بعض أصحابه ، عن أبي الحسن ( عليه السلام ) قال : قلت له : جعلت فداك إنّا نسمع الآيات من القران ليس هي عندنا كما نسمعها ، ولا نحسن أن نقرأها كما بلغنا عنكم ، فهل نأثم ؟ فقال : لا ، اقرؤا كما تعلّمتم فسيجيئكم من يعلّمكم.
Translation:
(With chain) it was said to Abu Hasan (a.s): “May i be sacrifice for you! We hear verses from Quran, which aren’t like with us, and we can’t read like you do”. He said: “No! Read it, as you were teached, (the man) will come, who will teach you”.
The same narration in “Kafi” vol 2, chapter أن القرآن يرفع كما أنزل
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Aga Bozorg Tahranee said:
الظاهر من كلمات غيرهم من العلماء والمحدثين المتقدمين منهم والمتأخرين القول بالنقيصة كالكليني والبرقى، والعياشي والنعماني، وفرات بن ابراهيم، واحمد بن ابى طالب الطبرسي صاحب الاحتجاج والمجلسى، والسيد الجزائري، والحر العاملي، والعلامة الفتوني، والسيد البحراني
وقد تمسكوا في اثبات مذهبهم بالآيات والروايات التى لا يمكن الاغماض عنها
Translation:
“But from the words of other “mutakademin” and “mutakhereen” scholars, it seems like they say (that there is) admission (in Quran). As for example we can show: Kulayni, Bargi, Ayyashi, Noomanee, Furaat ibn Ibrahim, Ahmad ibn Abu Taleeb Tabarsi, Majleese, Saed Jazairi, Hurr Amili, Saed Bahranee. They tryed to proof their movement with such verse, and narrations, that it’s impossible to close eyes on them”.
Source: Commentary from Aga Bozorg Tahrani on “Tafseer al Qommi” p 412-413.
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Allah said:
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ جَاهِدِ الْكُفَّارَ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ وَاغْلُظْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَمَأْوَاهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ
[Shakir 66:9, 9:73] “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites”
Shia variant:
Mulla Fayz Kashani in his book “Safee” 5/197 :
عن الصادق عليه السلام إنه قرأ جاهد الكفار بالمنافقين
Majleese in “Bihar” 19/163:
روي عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام أنه قرأ " جاهد الكفار بالمنافقين "
Translation:
"From As Sadik (a.s), he read it in this way: “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers with (help of) hypocrites”
Mulla Fayz Kashani in “Safee” 2/359:
في قراءة أهل البيت جاهد الكفار بالمنافقين
Sheikh Toosi in “Tibyan” vol 10 p52: and vol 5, p 260
قراءة اهل البيت (جاهد الكفار بالمنافقين)
Translation:
"In the reading of ahlel-bayt: “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers with (help of) hypocrites”.
Kulayni "Kafi" vol 1, p 417:
26 - وبهذا الاسناد، عن محمد بن سنان، عن عمار بن مروان، عن منخل، عن جابر، قال: نزل جبرئيل عليه السلام بهذه الآية على محمد هكذا: " وإن كنتم في ريب مما نزلنا على عبدنا (في علي) فأتوا بسورة من مثله(3) ".
Translation:
"Jibril descend with this verse on Mohammad in this way: "And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant (about Ali), then produce a chapter like it" (Quran 2:23)
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Kulayni "Kafi" vol 1, p 414:
8 - الحسين بن محمد، عن معلى بن محمد، عن علي بن أسباط، عن علي بن أبي حمزة، عن أبي بصير، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام في قول الله عزوجل: " ومن يطع الله ورسوله (في ولاية علي وولاية] الائمة من بعده) فقد فاز فوزا عظيما(1) " هكذا نزلت
TRANSLATION:
Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad has narrated from Mu‘alla ibn Muhammad from Ali ibn Asbat from Ali ibn abu Hamzafrom abu Basir from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) about the words of Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Gracious. "One who obeys God and His Messenger (in the wilaya of Ali and the Imams after him) will certainly achieve a great success.". (33:71) This how it was revealed."
p 416
23 - الحسين بن محمد، عن معلى بن محمد، عن جعفر بن محمد بن عبيد الله(5)، عن محمد بن عيسى القمي، عن محمد بن سليمان، عن عبدالله بن سنان، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام في قوله: " ولقد عهدنا إلى آدم من قبل " كلمات في محمد وعلي وفاطمة والحسن والحسين والائمة عليهم السلام من ذريتهم " فنسي " هكذا والله نزلت على محمد صلى الله عليه وآله.
TRANSLATION:
Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad has narrated Mu‘alla ibn Muhammad from Ja‘far ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Ubaydallah from Muhammad ibn ‘Isa al-Qummifm Muhammad ibn sulayman from ‘Abdallah ibn Sinan from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) about the words of Aallah. "We had commanded Adam (certain matters) before."The commands consisted of certain words about Ali, Fatima,al-Hassan, al-Husayn and the Imams from their descendants" He forgot Our commandment" (20:115).This is how it was revealed, by Allah, to Muhammad .
P 417
25 - علي بن إبراهيم، عن أحمد بن محمد البرقي، عن أبيه، عن محمد بن سنان عن عمار بن مروان، عن منخل، عن جابر عن ابي جعفر عليه السلام قال: نزل جبرئيل عليه السلام بهذه الآية على محمد صلى الله عليه وآله هكذا: " بئسما اشتروا به أنفسهم أن يكفروا بما أنزل الله (في علي) بغيا
TRANSLATION:
Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Barqi from his father Muhammad ibn Sinan from ‘Ammar ibn Marwan from Munakhkhal from Jabir from abu Ja‘far (a.s.) who has said the following. " Jibril brought this verse to Muhammad (s.a). "Evil is that for which they have sold their souls: They have refused to accept God's revelations "about Ali" in rebellion. . ." (2:90)"
Same page:
27 - وبهذا الاسناد، عن محمد بن سنان، عن عمار بن مروان، عن منخل، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال: نزل جبرئيل عليه السلام على محمد صلى الله عليه وآله بهذه الآية هكذا: " يا أيها الذين أوتوا الكتاب آمنوا بما نزلنا (في علي) نورا مبينا(4) ".
TRANSLATION:
With the same chain of narrators it is narrated Muhammad ibn Sinan from ‘Ammar ibn Marwan from Munakhkhal from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following. "Jibril brought the following verse to Prophet Muhammad . "People of the Book, have faith in the what We have revealed "about Ali’". ." (4:47)
p 420-421:
43 - وبهذا الاسناد، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام في قول الله تعالى: " إن الذين ارتدوا على أدبارهم من بعد ما تبين لهم الهدى(5) " فلان وفلان وفلان، ارتدوا عن الايمان في ترك ولاية أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام قلت: قوله تعالى: " ذلك بأنهم قالوا للذين كرهوا ما نزل الله سنطيعكم في بعض الامر(6) " قال: نزلت والله فيهما وفي أتباعهما وهو قول الله
عزوجل الذي نزل به جبرئيل عليه السلام على محمد صلى الله عليه وآله: " ذلك بأنهم قالوا للذين كرهوا ما نزل الله (في علي عليه السلام) سنطيعكم في بعض الامر " قال: دعوا بني امية إلى ميثاقهم ألا يصيروا الامر فينا بعد النبي صلى الله عليه وآله ولا يعطونا من الخمس شيئا وقالوا إن أعطيناهم إياه لم يحتاجوا إلى شئ، ولم يبالوا أن يكون الامر فيهم، فقالوا: سنطيعكم في بعض الامر الذي دعوتمونا إليه وهو الخمس ألا نعطيهم منه شيئا وقوله " كرهوا ما نزل الله " والذي نزل الله ما افترض على خلقه من ولاية أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام وكان معهم أبوعبيدة وكان كاتبهم، فأنزل الله " أم أبرموا أمرا فإنا مبرمون * أم يحسبون أنا لا نسمع سرهم ونجواهم - الآية
TRANSLATION:
Through the same chain of narrators it is narrated from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) about the words of Allah, the Most High. "Those who have reverted to disbelief after guidance has become manifest to them, . ." .(47:25) The Imam (a.s.) said, "They are so and so and so and so who reverted from the faith in rejecting Leadership with Divine Authority of Ali (a.s.)." I then asked about the words of Allah, the Most High. "This is because they have said to those who hate God's revelation, "We shall obey you in some matters." . . ." (47:26) The Imam (a.s.) said, ‘By Allah, it was revealed about the two of them and their followers and that is the words of Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most gracious, that Jibril brought to Muhammad , "This is because they have said to those who hate God's revelation, "about Ali (a.s.)"-We shall obey you in some matters. . ." (47:26) The Imam (a.s.) said, "They made an agreement with the Amawids not to allow the leadership come to us after The Holy Prophet (s.a) not to pay us the one fifth taxes saying, "We have given them already so their is no need to give them more. The transfer of leadership to them did not matter to them at all. They said, "We obey in certain matters that you want us to obey, such as the one fifth taxes. We will not pay it to them. His words that read, "who hate God's revelation," refers to Amir al-Mu’minin (a.s.) Leadership with Divine Authority over the creatures. With them was abu ‘Ubayda, their scribe. Allah has said, "If the unbelievers persist in their disbelief, We shall also persist in punishing them (43:79). Do they think that We do not hear their secrets and whispers? We certainly can hear them and Our Messengers record it all (43:80)."
P 424
60 - أحمد بن مهران - رحمه الله - عن عبدالعظيم، عن بكار، عن جابر، عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام قال هكذا نزلت هذه الآية " ولو أنهم فعلوا ما يوعظون به (في علي) لكان خيرا لهم
TRANSLATION:
Ahmad Mihran has narrated –may Allah grant him blessings- from ‘Abd al-‘Azim from Bakkar from Jabir from abu Ja‘far (a.s.) who has said: "This verse of the Holy Quran was revealed as this, "If they had done what they had been advised to do "about Ali", it would have bee for their own good . . ." (4:66)
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Mulla Mohammad Tagi Kashani in "Hidayatool talibeen" p 368, Teheran 1282 h:
أن عثمان أمر زيد بن ثابت الذي كان من أصدقائه هو، وعدواً لعلي، أن يجمع القرآن ويحذف منه مناقب آل البيت وذم أعدائهم، والقرآن الموجود حالياً في أيدي الناس والمعروف بمصحف عثمان هو نفس القرآن الذي جمع بأمر عثمان
Translation:
"Uthmaan ordered to his friend and enemy of Ali, Zayd ibn Thaabeet to collect Quran, and to delete from it places with the merits of ahle-bayt, and defamation of their enemies. Now, the same Quran, which collected by order of Uthmaan at the hands of the people, and known like Uthmaans roll".
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Ali Asgar Burjardee in "Akaidu shia" p 27, printed in Iran, said:
والواجب أن نعتقد أن القرآن الأصلي لم يقع فيه تغيير وتبديل مع أنه وقع التحريف والحذف في القرآن الذي ألفه بعض المنافقين، والقرآن الأصلي الحقيقي موجود عند إمام العصر
Translation:
"It obligatory to believe that there is no distortion and omission in real Quran. Distortion and ommision took place in Quran, which was compilied by hypocrites. And real, veritable Quran is with imam of the century..."
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Mugaddas Ardabili in "Hadigat ash shia" p 118-119, in Farsi, printed in Iran, said:
إن عثمان قتل عبد الله بن مسعود بعد أن أجبره على ترك المصحف الذي كان عنده وأكرهه على قراءة ذلك المصحف الذي ألفه ورتبه زيد بن ثابت بأمره، وقال البعض أن عثمان أمر مروان بن الحكم، وزياد بن سمرة، الكاتبين له أن ينقلا من مصحف عبد الله ما يرضيهم ويحذفا منه ما ليس بمرضى عندهم ويغسلا الباقي
Translation:
“Uthmaan suggest to Abdullah ibn Masood to abandon his roll, and ordered him to read the roll which Zayd ibn Thaabit wrote and compiled by his order. (After that he) killed him. Some (people) said, that Uthmaan ordered to his two scribes, Marwan ibn Hakam and Ziyad ibn Samara to copy what suite to them, from roll of Abdullah (ibn Masood), to omit what doesn’t suite and destroy what remain after”.
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Haji Kareem Khan Kirmanee in "Irshad ul uloom" vol 3, p 121, in Farsi, printed in Teheran, said:
إن الإمام المهدي بعد ظهوره يتلو القرآن، فيقول – المسلمون هذا والله هو القرآن الحقيقي الذي أنزله الله على محمد، والذي حرف وبدل
Translation:
"Imam Mahdi after his emergence will read Quran, and will say: "Ya moslems, i swear by Allah, this is a real Quran, which was revealed to Mohammad, (which was) tampered and changed".
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Allah said:
[Shakir 20:115] And certainly We gave a commandment to Adam before, but he forgot; and We did not find in him any determination.
Sharafootdeen Husayni in "Taweel ul ayaat" vol 1, p 319 reported:
17 - وروى أيضا: عن الحسين بن محمد، عن معلى بن محمد، عن جعفر بن محمد بن عبيدالله، عن محمد بن عيسى القمي، عن محمد بن سليمان، عن عبد الله بن سنان، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام في قوله عزوجل * (ولقد عهدنا إلى آدم من قبل - كلمات في محمد وعلي وفاطمة والحسن والحسين والائمة من ذريتهم - فنسي ولم نجد له عزما) * هكذا والله نزلت على محمد صلى الله عليه وآله
Translation:
(Chain) from Abdullah ibn Sinan, from Abu Abdullah, which said: "And certainly We gave a commandment to Adam before words about Mohammad, and Ali, and Fatima, and Hasan and Husayn and imams from their progeny he forgot; and We did not find in him any determination"--i swear by Allah, this is how it was revealed upon Mohammad (sallalahu alayhi wa salam)
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Kulayni in "Kafi", kitab al Hujja, vol 1, p 424:
عن الحسين بن مياح عمن أخبره قال قرأ رجل عند أبي عبد الله عليه السلام: "وقل اعملوا فسيرى الله عملكم ورسوله والمؤمنون"، فقال: ليس هكذا إنما هي والمأمونون. "فنحن المأمونون.
Translation:
"A man read in presence of Abu Abdullah following verse: "[Shakir 9:105] And say: Work; so Allah will see your work and (so will) His Messenger and the believers". (Imam) said: "It's not like this (believers). Indeed it like this "entrusted". And we are entrusted".
Also see:
Majlesi "Bihar al anwar" 23/352
Fayz Kashani "Safi" 2/273
PS. Believers in arabic will sound like this "al-mumineen". Entrusted- "al mamunoon".
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Allah said:
[Shakir 4:170] O people! surely the Messenger has come to you with the truth from your Lord, therefore believe, (it shall be) good for you and If you disbelieve, then surely whatever is in the heavens and the earth is Allah's; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Fayz Kashani reported other version of this verse, with reference to Kulayni and Ayashi:
الكافي والعياشي عن الباقر عليه السلام قد جاءكم الرسول بالحق من ربكم في ولاية علي فآمنوا خيراً لكم وان تكفروا بولاية علي
Translation:
"It was reported from Bagr (a.s) in Kafi and by Ayashi: "surely the Messenger has come to you with the truth from your Lord about wilayat of Ali therefore believe, (it shall be) good for you and If you disbelieve in wilayat of Ali".
"Safi" vol 1, p 523
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Allah said:
4:66] And if We had prescribed for them: Lay down your lives or go forth from your homes, they would not have done it except a few of them; and if they had done what they were admonished, it would have certainly been better for them and best in strengthening (them);
Fayz Kashani reported in "Safi" 1/468:
وعن الباقر عليه السلام ما يوعظون به في علي عليه السلام قال هكذا نزلت
Translation:
"And from Bagir (a.s): "and if they had done what they were admonished about Ali", it was revealed like this".
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Allah said in Quran:
[16:24] And when it is said unto them: What hath your Lord revealed? they say: (Mere) fables of the men of old,
In Tafseer Foorat al-Koofi we read:
حدثنا محمد بن القاسم بن عبيد.أ، ب.قال: حدثنا الحسن بن جعفر قال: حدثنا أبوموسى المشرقاني قال: حدثنا عبدالله بن عبيد عن علي بن سعيد.ش ]: عن أبي حمزة الثمالي عن جعفر الصادق عليه السلام.أ، ر ] قال: قرأ جبرئيل عليه السلام.ب، ر ] على محمد صلى الله عليه وآله هذه الآية.أ، ش، ر ] هكذا: (وإذا قيل لهم ماذا أنزل ربكم) في علي (قالوا: أساطير الاولين).
Translation:
"From Mohammad ibn Qassem [ibn Ubayd. Said: "It was narrated to me by Hasan ibn Jafar, from Abu Moosa Mashrooganee, from Abdullah ibn Ubayd, from Ali ibn Saed] from Abu Hamtha ath-Thoomalee [from Jafar as-Sadeeg (a.s)] which said: "Jibrayeel recited to Mohammad [this verse] in this form: "And when it is said unto them: What hath your Lord revealed (about Ali)? they say: (Mere) fables of the men of old"
LOL, you copy pages of pages from Nasibi website and paste here and go to sleep thnking that oneany here bothers to go through all engthy copy-pasted junk?
LOL, you copy pages of pages from Nasibi website and paste here and go to sleep thnking that oneany here bothers to go through all engthy copy-pasted junk?
yes i have what i produced is from true nasibi's books, and all aware who hates ahlul bait (mothers of ummah ra) who hates sahabies ra, who hate quran and also did not have respect of allah.
Thanks for acknowleding that you are a Nasibi.
Thanks for acknowleding that you are a Nasibi.
where did i say this.
i love ahlul bait.
i love sahabies.
i love prophet pbuh.
i love ahllah.
i did not have belifs like bida, takaya etc. who could you say i am nasabi.
where did i say this.
i love ahlul bait. i love sahabies. i love prophet pbuh. i love ahllah.
i did not have belifs like bida, takaya etc. who could you say i am nasabi.
If you love your Nasibi ancestors, i.e. those who cursed, hated and faught Ali bin Abi Talib [as] then anyone can call you a Nasibi.
As for beliefs like Bada and Taqiyah, they are Islamic and Quranic beliefs, so you better stay away from them :p
If you love your Nasibi ancestors, i.e. those who cursed, hated and faught Ali bin Abi Talib [as] then anyone can call you a Nasibi.
As for beliefs like Bada and Taqiyah, they are Islamic and Quranic beliefs, so you better stay away from them :p
so, you mean all ahlul sunna are nasibi, since all aware that from hz. abu bakar ra till today ahlul sunna have same bliefs (hz. ali ra and hz. hasnain ra are also included).
you mean bada is from quranic beliefs you know what is this.
*Allaah often lies and does mistakes. (usool-e-kaafi, page #328, yaqoob kulaini, vol1). *
and taqiyah (dual beliefs) in other words munafiqat is teached by quran (nauzubillah).
are you in your senses.
The Challenge is still open to you o Nasibi:
If you think that your ancestors for the respect of whom you have been yapping all this long here, are resting in peace and not getting wrath of Allah in their graves, show the orignial Arabic from al-Kafi which SHOULD have each and every single word of your sentences you asserted, and I will leave my madhab.
The fact is that even your heroes were to come out of the wrath of their graves, even then you are noing going to find and hence post these words from the book you claimed.
Since you have been on feed by Nasibi literature, you have been made to remain igorant of the fact that the doctrine of Taqiyah is there in Holy Quran and your great champ Imam Bukhari confirmed it:
“Except if you are obliged to defend your self selves from them precautiously (3:28)” and this is Taqqiyah…
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pagal admi, yeh taqqiyah nahi hai, yehan jab kisi ordinary muslim ki jaan ko khatra ho too woo jhoot bool sakta hai, or tum is baat ko hz. ali ra say munsalik karrahay ho kiya tum hz. ali ra koo kair samjtay ho kay wo haq ko chupayin gay jaan kay daar ki waja say.
pagal admi, yeh taqqiyah nahi hai, yehan jab kisi ordinary muslim ki jaan ko khatra ho too woo jhoot bool sakta hai, or tum is baat ko hz. ali ra say munsalik karrahay ho kiya tum hz. ali ra koo kair samjtay ho kay wo haq ko chupayin gay jaan kay daar ki waja say.
Pagal main nehen Bukhari hua jo kah rahah hai kay yehi Taqiyah hai aur tum ab tak Taqiyah ko Ghair Islami honay ka tassur daytay aarahay ho.
Aur jahan tak Kair honay ki baat ki, to Sunni Ulema nay Musa or Ibrahim jaisay Nabi kay Taqiyah karnay ka Zikr bhi apni books main kia hai, kabhi Nasibi literature parhnay say fursat milay to Sunni ulema ko bhi pharlena aur kair honay ka fatwa laga dena Anmbiyah par bhi.
Aur yeh teesri martaba hai kay mera challenge poora ka poora kh gyay. Agar tum samajhtay ho kay tumhray Aba o Ajdaad [jin ki izzat kay tum qaail ho] qabar kay azaab main nehen balkay chain ki neend sorahay hain to woh riwayat "Allah jhoot bolta hai aur ghalaitan karta hai" inhi alfaaz main kitab al-Kafi say dikha do, khula challenge hai. Agar nehen dikha saktay to qubool karlo kay tum jhootay logon kay aik jhootay pairookaar ho aur kuch nehen.
Re: Mushaf Fatima, Al-Jamia, and Al-Jafr did exist.
Dear moderators, are you awak and witnessing the behaviour of this member who has created nothing but problem since his arrival?
Pagal main nehen Bukhari hua jo kah rahah hai kay yehi Taqiyah hai aur tum ab tak Taqiyah ko Ghair Islami honay ka tassur daytay aarahay ho.
Aur jahan tak Kair honay ki baat ki, to Sunni Ulema nay Musa or Ibrahim jaisay Nabi kay Taqiyah karnay ka Zikr bhi apni books main kia hai, kabhi Nasibi literature parhnay say fursat milay to Sunni ulema ko bhi pharlena aur kair honay ka fatwa laga dena Anmbiyah par bhi.
Aur yeh teesri martaba hai kay mera challenge poora ka poora kh gyay. Agar tum samajhtay ho kay tumhray Aba o Ajdaad [jin ki izzat kay tum qaail ho] qabar kay azaab main nehen balkay chain ki neend sorahay hain to woh riwayat "Allah jhoot bolta hai aur ghalaitan karta hai" inhi alfaaz main kitab al-Kafi say dikha do, khula challenge hai. Agar nehen dikha saktay to qubool karlo kay tum jhootay logon kay aik jhootay pairookaar ho aur kuch nehen.
phali baat mods should take action aginst this jungle persion who used bad words for imam bukhari rah.
tum khan ki khan mila rahay ho yeh aqeeda nahi allah ki taraf say permission hai kay agar insan ki jaan par ban jaya too wo thora sa jhoot bool sakta hai, jis tarah agar insan khai phas jaya to us to haram ghoost khanay ki permission hoti hai yeh quran main likha huwa hai, tum shia log jo aqeeda taqqiya pash kar rahay ho wo bulkul bhonda or bewakufi say bhara huwa hai, kyunkay, hz. ali ra ko agar jan ka khatra tha too shirf 3 khulfa-e-rashideen kay door-e-hukumat may tha jab un ki apni hukumat aai to kis nay un to haq khanay say mana kiya agar nahi mana kiya too aaik massom ko kis trah mauf kiya ja sakta hai jabkay woo haq janta tha aur us nay apni hukumat may us to alan nihi kiya.
or jhan tak bada kay baray main hain main apni almari may say yeh kitab dhood raha hun aaj nahi to kal post ho jaigi.
Agar tum dosroon par keechar uthaal saktay ho to doosra bhi kuch bhi kar sakta hai.
Kabhi apnay aqaid par nazar daali hai ghalti say bhi kay kitni ghalation aur bawakufion say bharay huay hain??? Sab say bara tio yeh aqeedah kay Rasool Allah [s] kay zamanay main jis jis nay Rasool Allah ko dekha aur Iman lay aya woh bus qaabil-e-tazeem hai aur us kay khilaaf koi kuch nehen bolsakta, ab chahay woh duniya bhar ki badkaari karta phiray. Bari aqal wala aqeeda hai?
to kia alan nihi kia???
Saari duniya ki alamarian dhoon daalo, al-Kafi ki asal Arabi ibaarat dikha do jis main wohi alfaaz likhay hain jo TUM NAY Allah ki taraf mansoob kardaalay sirf Shia dushmani main yani “Allah jhoot bolta hai aur ghalatian karta hai” <= yehi alfaaz honay chahay hain.
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Agar tum dosroon par keechar uthaal saktay ho to doosra bhi kuch bhi kar sakta hai.
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may nay na hz. ali ra and un ki offspring kay khilaaf koi baat ki hai too dekhawoo.
may sirf sawal puch raha hun persnel nahi ho raha.
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Kabhi apnay aqaid par nazar daali hai ghalti say bhi kay kitni ghalation aur bawakufion say bharay huay hain??? Sab say bara tio yeh aqeedah kay Rasool Allah [s] kay zamanay main jis jis nay Rasool Allah ko dekha aur Iman lay aya woh bus qaabil-e-tazeem hai aur us kay khilaaf koi kuch nehen bolsakta, ab chahay woh duniya bhar ki badkaari karta phiray. Bari aqal wala aqeeda hai?
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1400 sal baad tum ya main koon hotay hain faisla karnay walay kay koon muslim tha koon nahi, humay islam ki dolat mil ghai bas atna hi kafi hai, our jhan tak kisi sahabi ra ka mamila hai, who aur allah janay, ham nay too kisi ko bacha saktay hain na saja desaktay hain, our jab rasool pbuh nay mauf kar diya too main koon hota houn un ka badla lenay wala, our badla loun too kis say nay woo moujood hain, aur baap ka badla beta say too nahi liya jasakta, khud hz. ali ra nay un kay saath kam kiya, koi difference nahi tha, apnay bachoun kay nam un par rakhay, un ki hifajat ki, un kay pechay namaz phari, un kay musheer rahay, un say muhaida kiya aur jab khud khalifa bany phir bhi kisi kisam ka ailan nahi kiya aur nay un ki owlad nay kiya, our na hi koi hz. hussain ra ka badla lenay ghaiya.
ham is waqt 2100 sadi may rahrahay hain, yehan app ko is kisam ki batain nahi karni chaya.
quote Agar tum dosroon par keechar uthaal saktay ho to doosra bhi kuch bhi kar sakta hai.
may sirf sawal puch raha hun persnel nahi ho raha.
Kisi ko pagal kehna personal hona nehen hai to aur kia hai?
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khud hz. ali ra nay un kay saath kam kiya, koi difference nahi tha,
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Yusuf [as] nay bhi Kaafir baadhshah kay saath kaam kia tha, "koi difference nahi tha".
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apnay bachoun kay nam un par rakhay
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Kitna baar is par zaleel huyay ho lakin sharam to ko aati nehen. Koi aik saboot bata do kay apnchay bachon kay naam bus unhi teen lgoon ki wajah say rakhe?
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un ki hifajat ki,
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konsi "hifajat" ki?
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un kay pechay namaz phari,
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Humaray paas aisa koi saboot nehen.
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un kay musheer rahay,
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Yusuf [as] bhi Kaafir Badhshah ki Musheer thay, to?
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un say muhaida kiya
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Muahida kufaar say bhi hota hai, Suleh Hudabiyah bhool gyay?
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aur jab khud khalifa bany phir bhi kisi kisam ka ailan nahi kiya
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Tumharay Nasibi aba o ajdaad nay shuroo din say masaail jo kharay kar diay thay khilafat sanbhaal nay kay baa say hi, har jagah sorish aur jang musalat kardi thi. Aur kis qisam ka ailan hna chahay tha?
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our na hi koi hz. hussain ra ka badla lenay ghaiya.
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Mukhtar nay aapkay ajdaad ko wasil e jahanum phir kion kardia tha?
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ham is waqt 2100 sadi may rahrahay hain, yehan app ko is kisam ki batain nahi karni chaya.
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isi lye to bol rahah hoon woh Bada wala jhoot jo tum nay Allah par daala hai us ko saabit kardo unhi alfaaz kay saath kion kay yeh 2100 sadi hai yahan sab jhoot asaani say pakarlia jata hai, har cheez internet par mojood hai.