a sensitive topic…partition is something which has mesmerized me for years. my whole family migrated from Amritsar and gurdaspur and heard many stories..when i grew up, i read so much about it and saw many documentaries. the shear scale of migration and brutality that it encompassed blows my mind.
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My family moved from Lahore. Partition was a very sensitive topic for my grandparents till they were alive.
Re: Murder, rape and shattered families: 1947 Partition Archive effort underway
My family moved from Lahore. Partition was a very sensitive topic for my grandparents till they were alive.
You are right , My grand mother (Nani) was also from East Punjab , migrated in 1947 , We grown up under her , She died in 1979 , very sad stories , The way the Britishers gave us independence in hurry was surprising and caused biggest migration ever on the earth . The people living together since thousands years were forced to leave their places .
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Would you rather they not have left and then been cornered by a Hindu majority leadership? No thanks. So glad my family did not stay in Gujarat. So glad I do not have family being forced into converting back to Hinduism after centuries ago my ancestors decided to become muslim. So glad I don't feel like I need to marry a Hindu and have statues in my home (ex shah rukh khan) to fit in and keep my career going. Eff that. Most muslims in India who are secure are living in areas where there is a pocket of muslims, and so they have some numbers to keep themselves safe. But they face discrimination too and they eventually just try to get out of India. Those who are still there more power to them. But I'm glad my family doesn't have to give their allegiance to a criminal genocidal Modhi.
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Would you rather they not have left and then been cornered by a Hindu majority leadership? No thanks. So glad my family did not stay in Gujarat. So glad I do not have family being forced into converting back to Hinduism after centuries ago my ancestors decided to become muslim. So glad I don't feel like I need to marry a Hindu and have statues in my home (ex shah rukh khan) to fit in and keep my career going. Eff that. Most muslims in India who are secure are living in areas where there is a pocket of muslims, and so they have some numbers to keep themselves safe. But they face discrimination too and they eventually just try to get out of India. Those who are still there more power to them. But I'm glad my family doesn't have to give their allegiance to a criminal genocidal Modhi.
There are more number of Muslims living with Modi than we Pakistani Muslims
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You need to get out of that “pigeon hole” that you claim to live in (sorry, couldn’t resist ;)) and meet more Indian muslims 
There are almost as many Muslims in India as in Pak. And there is no mass scale conversion, discrimination or ethnic cleansing going on in India. If you’re happy about the partition thats fine, but don’t use such silly reasons to justify it because that’s just not true.
You might want to read some of the observations here to gauge how Indian Muslims view living in India vs Pakistan. This is a small sample of educated Indian Muslims but interesting nevertheless. And most of these are anonymous, so they are not writing this under any kind of pressure to fit in.
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Very good thread. Its definitely a topic which is far more important than everything else that happened later cuz it was the one of the worst massacre and millions sacrificed their bodies/wealth etc just for the sake of this country. and dont think this topic is read as much as it should be as the new generation doesnt seem to know anything about it. When I was growing up i was atleast told all the stories of my own ancestors who went thru hell as a result of this split and migration.
Alive nations dont forget people who gave sacrifices for their sake, we shouldnt either.
On the same note, we should also make sure Pakistan stays strong and progresses for which so much was given.
So lets NOT take this country for granted!!
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But Muslims in India need to prove their “loyalty” every now and then, specially when it comes to Pak vs Ind 
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Unfortunately our historian on both sides were bias and especially our side was much influenced by military rulers .
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There are more number of Muslims living with Modi than we Pakistani Muslims
Yeah right and their plight V those who migrated is no secret it can all be verified by independent sources. BTW no one is stopping you or anyone else to migrate back to the paradise and enjoy the fruits.
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Muslims living in India are Indian citizens, right ? So what’s the harm if they support India ?
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We just had a 8 pages (and counting) discussion thread on why the hell desi americans defend Amreeeka, just saying… :chai:
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Actually our major issue is still 1947 and the hate wave spread in Punjab due to the worst what happened in both sides of Punjab .
In India Punjabis are not such big and effective as in Pakistan . This mindset and mindset of our army is mother of all crises . We can destroy India and in response India can destroy us , the both sides knew but they think it necessary to keep these rifts alive for the survival of their institutions .
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I think the article is focusing on Karachi, where violence/crime is defo a problem. Also i feel like ppl from Karachi are more likely to have relatives in India, there can be a bias there. I know a load of Indian Muslim families who have migrated to the US bcos of discrimination, can’t get jobs etc. Hey tend to stic to pockrts of Muslim populations lioe PCG said cos it’s easier for them that way. Pakistan is relatively safe in most large cities… the things the Indian media portrays aren’t something to trust or go by.. but yeah my point is… Indian Muslims are defo discriminated against in India, and to a much larger scale than what we know cos it’s usually pushed under the rug, from what a family friend tells us.
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It is not about Karachi and 1947 was basically effected Punjab and area from Punjab to Delhi , So mostly it is about that and other is just common .
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Muslims living in India are Indian citizens, right ? So what's the harm if they support India ?
I guess you didn't get what I mean. Muslims living in India are at times "required" or "expected" to show that their loyalty is with India and not with Pakistan. Why should such requirement/expectation be there from citizens of a country? It just means that there is a population which sees Muslims as suspects, as traitor etc.
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I guess you didn't get what I mean. Muslims living in India are at times "required" or "expected" to show that their loyalty is with India and not with Pakistan. Why should such requirement/expectation be there from citizens of a country? It just means that there is a population which sees Muslims as suspects, as traitor etc.
Required by whom ? Have you ever thought that many of those Muslims are showing their loyalty out of choice ? Why can Muslims not be loyal to India ? Or does that not fit with your "separate homeland for Muslims" theory ?
And people who consider Muslims (or other groups traitors) will do that irrespective of all that. An average Muslim is far safer than India than in Pak, and more so if he is Shia, Ahmedi, Ismaili or Bohra.
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I think the article is focusing on Karachi, where violence/crime is defo a problem. Also i feel like ppl from Karachi are more likely to have relatives in India, there can be a bias there. I know a load of Indian Muslim families who have migrated to the US bcos of discrimination, can't get jobs etc. Hey tend to stic to pockrts of Muslim populations lioe PCG said cos it's easier for them that way. Pakistan is relatively safe in most large cities... the things the Indian media portrays aren't something to trust or go by.. but yeah my point is... Indian Muslims are defo discriminated against in India, and to a much larger scale than what we know cos it's usually pushed under the rug, from what a family friend tells us.
I have no doubt Indian media exaggerates about Pak, just as Pak media exaggerates the "plight" of Indian Muslims.
One needs to look at this in perspective. Look at the population of Muslims in India, and then look at the number of case where there is discrimination, communal violence etc.
Discrimination is there even in Pak against Muslims (Ahmedis, Shias etc). And even Hindus are discriminated against in India on the basis of caste, region etc. This problem is not specific to Indian Muslims.