Huh… only two days of aeriel bombardments by the Pakistani F-16s in Swat and all the Pathan warrior spirit seems to have dissipated.
I can’t see anymore barking Mullahs anywhere. Even all the political Mullahs have gone in hiding or have decided to keep their gob shut, tight.
So much for all the sacrifices these hypocrites kept promosing… just where has all the Mullah revolution disapeared to so suddenly?
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you know its called Mullah Military Alliance for a reason. heh
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Huh... only two days of aeriel bombardments by the Pakistani F-16s in Swat and *all the Pathan warrior spirit seems to have dissipated. *
I can't see anymore barking Mullahs anywhere. Even all the political Mullahs have gone in hiding or have decided to keep their gob shut, tight.
So much for all the sacrifices these hypocrites kept promosing... just where has all the Mullah revolution disapeared to so suddenly?
Not all Mullahs are Pathans.
Not all Pathans are Mullahs.
Remember that. :)
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Yes there are many more sinister hands supporting mullahs. Some sit in Pindi.
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Yes there are many more sinister hands supporting mullahs. Some sit in Pindi.
And some sits on the border of Afghanistan under the shade of consulates ...
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Huh... only two days of aeriel bombardments by the Pakistani F-16s in Swat and all the Pathan warrior spirit seems to have dissipated.
I can't see anymore barking Mullahs anywhere. Even all the political Mullahs have gone in hiding or have decided to keep their gob shut, tight.
So much for all the sacrifices these hypocrites kept promosing... just where has all the Mullah revolution disapeared to so suddenly?
details please. what military actions are being taken in swat valley against the militants and what happened?
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Yeah, can you give more details? Are you living in the area?
Which Mullahs are you talking about?
MMA officials or Treasonous Taliban ?
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That's something new. As far as I know 7 more FV soldiers surrendered to mullahs. But if indeed F16s bombarded swat then that's not something that we should appreciate because swat is not a town in uttar Pardesh
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Nor is it Afghanistan.
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Nor is it Afghanistan.
you meant if swat was in Afghanistan then that would be ok for f16s to strike 'em??
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Um, excuse me. The area has been taken over by militants. They've taken down the flag, kicked out administrators and policemen, taken over infrastructure, are making their own laws, enforcing them themselves, recruiting people for war, screwing up the natural environment for the villagers, committing human rights crimes, and WHAT DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO?
If the government doesn't do anything, you will criticize it.
If the government does something, you will criticize it.
IMHO, the government needs to evacuate the villages. Negotiate with the militants to let innocent civilians leave if they choose to, instead of forcing them to stay and get hurt. Then attack them. And intelligently, since they are fully armed. I say go in with tanks.
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Um, excuse me. The area has been taken over by militants. They've taken down the flag, kicked out administrators and policemen, taken over infrastructure, are making their own laws, enforcing them themselves, recruiting people for war, screwing up the natural environment for the villagers, committing human rights crimes, and WHAT DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO?
If the government doesn't do anything, you will criticize it.
If the government does something, you will criticize it.
IMHO, the government needs to evacuate the villages. Negotiate with the militants to let innocent civilians leave if they choose to, instead of forcing them to stay and get hurt. Then attack them. And intelligently, since they are fully armed. I say go in with tanks.
i agree.
but does the OP have a source for the first post?
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I'm not sure anyone has a clear clue as to what's going on in SWAT. If I'm lucky, I might read something in Jang. I'm checking the papers every day.
On a sad note, youtube is filled with videotapes of Taliban in Pakistan. Of course, I don't understand what they're saying, so its hard to figure out what is going on.
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i'm still waiting for him to stop arresting lawyers, students and reporters and deal with this mess in the north.
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Um, excuse me. The area has been taken over by militants. They've taken down the flag, kicked out administrators and policemen, taken over infrastructure, are making their own laws, enforcing them themselves, recruiting people for war, screwing up the natural environment for the villagers, committing human rights crimes, and WHAT DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO?
If the government doesn't do anything, you will criticize it.
If the government does something, you will criticize it.
IMHO, the government needs to evacuate the villages. Negotiate with the militants to let innocent civilians leave if they choose to, instead of forcing them to stay and get hurt. Then attack them. And intelligently, since they are fully armed. I say go in with tanks.
Exactly that should be a proper way to deal with it not wit F16s as you hinted earlier
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I don't think I suggested bombing with F16's on innocent civilians. In any battle, the normal thing to do would be to give a chance to evacuate. Maybe that's the hold up right now? Its hard to speculate - there is barely any news from that area.
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We have a friend in swat. The last we heard, militants (or taleban?) burned his house to the ground. And we havent heard from him since. :(
bad things going on up there.
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Um, excuse me. The area has been taken over by militants. They've taken down the flag, kicked out administrators and policemen, taken over infrastructure, are making their own laws, enforcing them themselves, recruiting people for war, screwing up the natural environment for the villagers, committing human rights crimes,...
This had also taken place in Swat in 1994 and the then military also took care of them like this too. After depleting the human shield, it wasn't long before the Mullahs opted for peace deals and safe passages (like the Ghazi brothers).
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Exactly that should be a proper way to deal with it not wit F16s as you hinted earlier
Shah of Iran wiped out plenty of Baloch villages with F-14s in the 1970s and look how peacefull the Baloch are now in Iran!
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88 killed in North Waziristan fighting
Monday, October 08, 2007
MIR ALI: Security forces backed by heavy artillery and helicopter gunships killed 65 militants but lost 20 soldiers in two battles in North Waziristan on Sunday, Reuters quoted officials and witnesses as saying.
Staff report adds: Three civilians were also killed when a stray shell hit their house in Sokhail village, five kilometres from Mir Ali.
The fighting began on Saturday night when militants ambushed an army convoy in Mir Ali, 24 kilometres east of agency headquarters Miranshah, on the Miranshah-Bannu road. The security forces launched an operation against the militants, said Major General Waheed Arshad, director general of Inter Services Public Relations. Ten army soldiers were killed and 10 wounded.
Later at around 6:00pm, militants attacked another army convoy in the same area near Sokhail. Gen Arshad said the security forces killed 18 militants and injured 15 in the subsequent fighting. Ten soldiers were killed and 12 injured. **Pakistani fighter jets also reportedly bombed the area.
The military operation was continuing and helicopters were hovering over the area.** The security forces also sealed the Mir Ali bazaar and the army was patrolling the area.
Three killed as shell hits house: Two women and a young girl were killed in Sokhail village when an artillery shell fired by the security forces hit the house of a tribesman named Hanif.
Separately the military said security forces arrested two militants in North Waziristan, AFP reported. “The miscreants were fired upon by security forces when they were fleeing from the site after planting an IED (improvised explosive device),” it said in a statement.
Five FC men return: Five Frontier Constabulary (FC) personnel, among a total 21 men reportedly kidnapped on October 2 at the Rocha Post in Bakka Khel, Bannu frontier region, safely returned to Bannu on Sunday. They were identified as Hawaldar Azeem, Hawaldar Younis, Naik Muhammad Anwar, Jawan Mujtaba and Jawan Amir. It’s not clear how they reached Bannu.
However, Gen Arshad, the ISPR DG, said that no FC man had been kidnapped in North Waziristan over the last few days. He said the reports were based on misinformation spread by the militants as they had suffered heavy reverses over the last couple of weeks.
Bodies returned: Locals told NNI that the bodies of 10 Pakistanis killed in Afghanistan while fighting against US-led forces were brought to North Waziristan on Saturday.
They said officials of the International Committee of the Red Cross, who had shifted the bodies to the tribal region, were detained by Pakistani authorities but were freed on Saturday. The bodies were sent to their families late on Saturday.
30 more soldiers and 65 militants killed in clashes
*Tuesday, October 09, 2007
By Haji Mujtaba and Iqbal Khattak*
MIRANSHAH/PESHAWAR: Fifty troops and 130 pro-Taliban and Al Qaeda militants have been killed in fierce fighting in North Waziristan since Saturday, officials and local residents said.
Twenty soldiers and 65 militants were reported killed in clashes on Sunday, after militants attacked two military convoys near Mir Ali.
Security sources told Daily Times that the bodies of 31 soldiers had been airlifted from Mir Ali to Bannu, and 19 more bodies were awaiting removal from the military camp in Mir Ali. They said 50 wounded soldiers had also been airlifted to the Bannu Combined Military Hospital. However, military spokesman Maj General Waheed Arshad said that 45 soldiers had been killed in clashes since Saturday.
Pro-Taliban cleric Maulvi Deen Dar arranged the transfer of the soldiers’ bodies through a local jirga after the militants agreed to allow local residents to hand them over to military authorities in Mir Ali.
Earlier, Gen Arshad said around 50 soldiers had gone missing in the Mir Ali area and they were feared kidnapped or killed. He later told AFP that contact had been established with most of the soldiers and only 10 or 12 had not been accounted for, but it was not clear if any of those had been killed.
**Air strikes: He said more air strikes were carried out on Monday against targets around Mir Ali town, east of Miranshah. “We used the air force in areas where ground troops cannot be used,” he said.
This was the first time the military used jet fighters in the area since 2004. Local residents saw two bombers fly over Mir Ali at around 1:00pm on Monday. They reappeared soon after sunset and dropped bombs. **
Militants getting help from Afghanistan: Gen Arshad said the militants were well-trained and had links with Afghanistan. “Many of them are getting money and weapons from across the border,” he told AFP, adding that the militants were “in contact with members of a hostile country in Afghanistan,” an apparent reference to India.
According to residents of villages around Mir Ali, some 54 people, including civilians and militants, were killed in clashes on Monday. Eighteen dead were reported from Khasookhel village, 12 from Mir Ali village, 15 from Khadi village, four from Harmuz village, three from Khedherkhel village and two from Mir Ali bazaar.
“All 15 killed in Khadi village were militants, among them four foreigners,” a resident of Mir Ali told Daily Times. He said many civilians were also killed. “They were caught in the cross-fire.”
A security official in Miranshah told AP that two Arabs who were low-ranking Al Qaeda men and an Uzbek died in a battle in an area called Malagam. About a dozen civilians, including women and children, died when a stray mortar struck their home in Mir Ali, said the official.
Gen Arshad said the security forces targeted homes from where militant fire was coming. “Our policy is to pick a target from where fire is coming against the security forces and if the militants are using the local population as shelter and using their houses against the security forces, we cannot be blamed for collateral damage,” he said.
Eyewitnesses said Mir Ali bazaar was “completely sealed off and it looks like a curfew as security forces are patrolling empty streets “.
50 more killed as jets bomb militant hideouts
*Wednesday, October 10, 2007
By Haji Mujtaba and Iqbal Khattak*
MIRANSHAH/PESHAWAR: **Another 50 people were killed as fighter jets bombed militant hideouts in North Waziristan on Tuesday, taking the total death toll from three days of fighting to around 250.
Military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad said fighter jets bombed militant targets in Ipi, Khedherkhel and Khushali Torikhel villages in Mir Ali tehsil in the afternoon.
Security sources said 50 people were killed in the bombing, though there was no official confirmation.** AFP, citing security sources, reported that 50 militants were killed and a similar number injured.
Before the air strike, the army said around 150 militants and 47 soldiers had been killed in three days of clashes during ‘Operation al-Mizan (Justice)’ in North Waziristan, and that the army had turned down request for a ceasefire. “During (the) last three days of clashes with security forces as many as 150 militants have been killed while 50 were wounded. Forty-five security personnel have also embraced Shahadat while 20 others were injured during these clashes which started on Saturday in North Waziristan Agency,” a military statement said.
The military said two soldiers were killed in a blast in Mamoon Panga, Burmand, in North Waziristan at 1:50pm on Tuesday. An attack on Gharlamai check-post west of Miranshah in Dattakhel tehsil resulted in the death of two army soldiers and serious injuries to four others.
Ceasefire request rejected: “Security forces have also turned down the ceasefire request of militants as their demand cannot be met,” the military said, adding that security forces would “continue punitive action till complete peace is restored in restive North Waziristan”.There was no official word on civilian casualties, but local residents around Mir Ali said “several dozens” were killed in the crossfire between soldiers and militants.
Civilians flee homes to escape fighting: Meanwhile, thousands of civilians were reported to be fleeing their homes in Mir Ali and nearby villages.
“I am leaving for a safer place as living here … is like inviting death,” Muhammad Anwar, a resident of Khasokhel village, told Daily Times.
Several families fled Harmuz village, leaving male members behind to guard their houses. “I am alone at home. Most families are taking women and children to safer places and leaving one or two male members at home to protect the house,” said Salam Dawar, a resident of Harmuz.
He said wounded civilians were finding it hard to get to hospital for treatment. Gen Arshad said all wounded civilians were allowed to proceed to hospitals and that families wanting to move to safe places would be helped. Local residents also said food and medicine supplies were running low.
Late in the evening, a rocket attack on the military headquarters in Miranshah prompted artillery fire in the direction of Mir Ali, where announcements through mosque loudspeakers asked residents of Harmuz and Musaki villages to evacuate, residents said.
If I remember correctly, I think I got the name of the jet fighters from Geo or some other Pakistani electronic media.