Mulla-Military alliance=conflicts among provinces

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This has happened once before, then it was 1971 and we lost East Pakistan, actors then were General Yahya Khan with his co-host the Jamaat e Islami. Thirty years plus forward and we have the same lethal combination but htis time its the West of Pakistan (Fata & Frontier), do we suffer the same fate? Going by the Taliban activities and Pak army impotency one can only hope and pray for whatever remains of Pakistan.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\05\09\story_9-5-2007_pg7_35

Question of nationhood and nationality in Pakistan: ‘Mulla-military alliance created conflicts among the provinces’

LAHORE: Minority Rights Commission (MRC) executive officer Akram Mirani has said the mulla-military alliance has created conflicts among the provinces.

Addressing a seminar, “Sindh national movement and question of nation in Pakistan”, he said that politicians were looking for the resolution of the problems through back door dialogues whereas there should be an open discussion on the national issues. The seminar was organised by MRC at the Lahore Press Club on Tuesday.

Dr Mubarik Ali, a historian, said the Sub-Continent had a diverse nationalist identity even before the formation of Pakistan. He said unfortunately the concept of a nation state could not be evolved in Pakistan.

Sindh Jay Mahaz chairman Abdul Khaliq Junejo said that the nationalists had always played an important role in the democratic movements.

He said that the “two-nation theory” was a farce as there was more than one nation in Pakistan. He criticised the formation of one-unit in 1954, controlled by the Punjabis.

Abid Saqi, former secretary of the Lahore High Court Bar Association (LHCBA), said that differences in the name of sects, language and religion should be removed.

He said that action in Balochistan in the name of war against Talibanisation had worsened the plight of the Balochs who were struggling to achieve basic rights from the ruling section of the Punjab.

Professor Ijaz-ul-Hassan of the Pakistan Peoples Party said that snubbing the rights of the federating units through National Finance Commission award (NFC) could never prove to be fruitful.

He said that the formation of “one unit” was a violation of the rights of the masses.

He said that the legacy of the British Act and system had resulted in increased conflicts in the society.

Peter Jacob, executive secretary of the National Commission for Justice and Peace (NCJP), said that Pakistan had signed a memorandum for elimination of discrimination in society and was bound to submit a report after three years. But no report had been submitted for the last 18 years, he said.

Farooq Tariq, the Labor Party of Pakistan president, said that Rs 11 billion had been allocated for Gujrat, which was more than the total development budget of Balochistan.

He praised lawyers for rejecting unlawful suspension of the chief justice. It showed true spirit of the Punjabis to stand for justice.

Manzoor Gillani, Tehrik-e-Istaklal president, said that leadership crisis was the main problem. He said that we are Pakistanis and we should strive for the improvement of the system and the nation state instead of promoting the concept of nations within a nation. staff report

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counterpoint, these days top hierarchy of military establishment seems to be interested more in alliances with some 'rabita council' i don't want to talk about. all i want to say is that its funny such councils come out of woodwork and become so powerful in a period of only a couple of days that the statements issued by them are reported by state television. since you have highlighted the budget allocated for gujrat, let me say that this money is only a tiny fraction of what city govt. in karachi has at their disposal. in any case, both areas have provided musharraf with a dependable leader, or a whole dependable political class which is most active in supporting his military rule. the idea of mullah-military alliance is getting older in the present political context. but unfortunately the leader of a divirse country with competing interest groups (for example pro-tehran or pro-taliban) has to accomodate everyone to a certain degree. after all we have some people amongst us who openly call two-nation theory in the context of subcontinent a farce, and would be much happier if the whole country is ruined. (little do they know that nobody is going to be the winner in such a scenario). so as long as pakistanis don't learn to act as pakistanis, we're going to continue to witness such 'alliances'. the day we learnt to act as a nation, we'll not only get rid of these alliances, but also those leaders (military or political) who exploit our diversity to rule the nation.

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MQM has always been powerful, it is just that now that news about MQM is no longer baned from the airwaves. And just so you know, MQM's stance is to give the provinces their rightful power that has been stolen from them.

As for development budget of Karachi vs Gujrat, that is not a good comparison. Karachi can sustain itself on its own revenue and I think so can Balochistan with the gas fields. I'm not so sure Gujrat can do the same. Continuing to steal from Balochistan is only increasing hatred of Punjab in that province.

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First learn about how revenue is earned and where most of this natural gas is consumed, then come tell me about increasing hatred against Punjab. And don't forget you don't own Karachi. Karachi is a Sindhi city, not an MQM city. When Balochistan and Karachi/Sindh both become self-sustaining, you may like to plan a visit to prosperous UP or Bihar and try to canvass for that khabees in London. I'm sorry but any Altaf chamcha political BS will evoke a similar response from now onwards, that is if I have enough time to waste. :)

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This is really very unjust. It is akin to say that Karachi works and rest of the country eats. But the reality is that Karachi can do nothing if the input material is not supplied by the people in other parts of Pakistan. During last 60 years Pakistan economy has been dependent on cotton and cotton products.

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This is a great misnomer here in Pakistan! Nobody is paying taxes here in Pakistan - I mean direct taxes! The main tax collections are:

  1. Sales tax
  2. Customs duty
  3. Income tax at source
  4. The last is direct income tax

The last tax is the main problem. From multinationals to local seths, everyone is stealing direct tax here in Pakistan.

This is really very unjust to say that Karachi produces 65% of GDP. It is akin to saying that Karachi works and rest of the country eats.

If we have an indepth analysis of Pakistan's economy, we will come to the conclusion that cotton and cotton products have been the major contributor of Pakistan' economy over many years. And you know where cotton is produced? Northern Sindh and Southern Punjab. It is only traded nationally and internationaly here in Karachi and so the indirect taxes of sales tax and customs duty are collected in Karachi. Beside cotton, these areas produces mangoes and sunflower as well

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First of all let me address the first post

in 1971 yehya's cheif chamcha was bhutto and not JI...

things to worry is again bhutto is trying to pave a way to make her premire of Pakistan.... it was the bhutto family who played main role... please refrain from baseless allegations.

2ndly Karachi is making 65% of GDP and the main reason for that is , it is only active port of Paksitan, once gawadar get fully operational i dont see that Karachi can maintain the same ratio. unless and otherwise they start new projects ( a few of them are underway but MQM and other ethinc groups are opposing those, )

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Well Gawadar has to generate its revenue and not to take Karachi's. Gawadar is far away from the Punjab and Northern Areas and any fool would consider trading through Gawadar for those areas. And Karachi's own trader will be more fool to bring goods at Gawadar and then reload them through roads.

Gawadar should handle central asian trade through Quetta, Qandhar and Hirat.

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Our baised goverments tried to take away Karachi's share of import duties and sales tax through establishing a number of so called dry ports in Punjab but that all failed.

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it's funny,

when a land-lock area makes its own dryport, it is said that they did so for taking the share of certain city...

i must say that Karachi may be a big city, but the hearts of Karachites are so small that they cannot tolerate any one else. RISE OF MQM in Karachi may support my comment.

In Sialkot ( a city in Punjab) when a dryport is founded people of Lahore was happy for them and the reason was that they can focus on other things... but i guess the GREAT PPL of karachi are restricted to certian limits and they may lack the capability to think global.

Human hair used in food?
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ya those fools are chinese... i recommend u to comeout of your small world start thinking globally.

go through the whole Project of Gawadar and Motorways and i may give u the idea that what are the plans from gawadar.

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it is funny, when unions are being formed globally, Ethnic groups cries for their on small country...

in coming world i dont see any country which is small and can be independent...

but who cares for the dignity or independence.. bank balances and food on table matters only.

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Well again they are not going to take Karachi's trade away. Gawadar is going to deal Chinese trade.

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Karachi's people are far more hospitable than anyother part of this country. Karachi has got people from all over Pakistan and elsewhere.

Human hair used in food?
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If there are baised people in Karachi, then certainly there are baised people in up-country as well and they often take baised decisions.

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we can see that, we received "gifts" from one of the most powerfull ethinic party of Karachi. they were all over on the streets of Karachi, niether they were terrorists nor Hardliner islamists nor member of any govt. entity they were innocent citizens.. and the only reason to kill them was that they are nor from Karachi... in this sense Karachi most hospitable city in the world. i agree.

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now go back to your earlier comment, stating

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Gawadar is far away from the Punjab and Northern Areas and any fool would consider trading through Gawadar for those areas
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now gawadar is far far away from china...

thats why i said, think global

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Please name them?

when did Lahories killed non-lahories for taking their business away?

when did this kind of incident took place in Peshawar....???

y Karachi???

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No they wont do trading through Khorakuram. That's really ver costly for them.

Askari Bank is horrible
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Do not mix people of Karachi with MQM killers. Majority of the people from Karachi are hospitable and they do not vote for MQM.