Mulla-Military alliance=conflicts among provinces

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To be baised, it is not necessary you kill some one, you can take baised action. As the capital was shifted to Islamabad from Karachi. Who made that decision?
A person took the capital to his village instead of the proposed place of Dera Ghazi Khan which is in centre of all the provinces and where the Pakistan mean time is determined.

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There are only few non-lahories in Lahore.

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I agree, i have been there several times, personally know many people from Karachi, but i think it is people of Karachi who have let killers of MQM get over them.. but again, same kind of situation is every where in Pakistan, some where ethinic group and some places are taken over by religious shop;keepers...

but again it is we you have to get the country out of this misry.

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i bet u dont know Lahore....

i invite ( on your own expense :D ) to visit lahore in holidays, the whole city seems to be empty. one wonder where all the people have gone...

on business side, the major whole-sale markets are taken by the our brothers from NWFP, we have no problem working under them or for them, as they came here from farland and they did invested themselves.

i have no details about Rawalpindi and Peshawar but i never heard that killing in that area took place becuase of the reasons i have mentioned above.

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what a comment!

Capital is not necessarily the center point of the country, look at USA, India, and list goes own.

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I guess u should tell them, otherwise they will start it and due to high cost may not able to compete in the international market. :halo:

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But for Pakistan it was necessary as it would have created a greater harmony among the provinces. moving of capital was also one of the reasons behind fall of Dhaka.

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During 1986-1989 the ghundas from all communities attacked and killed innocent people in Karachi in mostly MQM sparked violence. So saying that only Karachi people are killer is wrong.

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Just because a city is the financial capital does not mean it should be the 'capital'! Do you know what the capital of michigan is? No its not Detroit (the automotive financial giant), its a small city called Lansing and same holds for alot of other state capitals too. Karachi was not meant to be the nations capital, and there were all sorts of reasons, security, strategic etc... I had a detailed thread about that in 2002, dig that up. I am glad Karachi wasnt the capital at the time when the MQM ...terrorized the city and brought it to the brink of anarchy.

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For all those who continue to find Mqm (Mohajir) in every thread, please note origin of this story is LAHORE.

Conference was organized and held in Lahore, attended by Sindhi, Pukhtoon, Seriaki, Punjabi and Balochi nationalists alongwith intellectuals from different walks of life.

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Please read some authentic history books other than trash publications like Jasarat.

ZA Bhutto was just another political leader positioning himself and his party in the political chessboard of Pakistan, he may be guilty of being overly ambitious and selfish but partnering with the army, that is nothing but propaganda spread by military establishment to defame PPP and hide their real allies ie JI.

JI Provided AL Badr and Al Shams both terrorist brigades trained and supported by the Pak army to subdue the local populations of East Pakistan, this is a historical fact, believe it or choose to liive in your own fantasy land.

By the way, where did Karachi come into this article? Who is playing the ethnic card here? This thread is about Mulla+Military alliance which is a national problem not limited to one city or one province.

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I agree with the gist of your argument, we as a nation have much growing up to do in terms of political maturity.

Having said that, this military regime has provided the MMA with their govt inFrontier, alliance in Baluchistan and complete free hand in the Fata area for political expediency. Here lies the problem, now that the genie os out of the box its hard to control and that is very clear from the multitude of suicide attacks across the western region, terrorists roaming freely killing political opponents with impunity, imposing their narrow vision of life, challenging the state writ and putting the integrity of pakistan at risk.

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By forming an alliance with the ruling party and Army?!

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We continue to find small fries handed out to us as scapegoats OR we identify and thwart the real threat…

Taleban spread wings in Pakistan

By M Ilyas Khan
BBC News, North Waziristan

The Taleban roam many border areas unimpeded

As the spring sets in Taleban fighters in Pakistan’s tribal region of Waziristan, bordering Afghanistan, are increasingly visible.
This bodes ill for the coalition forces in Afghanistan.
But it also highlights problems for Pakistan’s government. It is faced with the prospect of the Taleban and their allies trying to consolidate their expansion eastwards inside North West Frontier Province (NWFP).
They have already carved out two safe havens in NWFP. They were able to do so after signing deals to the west in the tribal districts of South Waziristan and North Waziristan with the Pakistani government in 2004-05.
The deals have enabled different factions within the Taleban to start moving in significant numbers into the cities and towns of NWFP with the aim of overwhelming the local administration. This is an area that has been historically under much closer control of central government than the tribal border areas.

Last year, the militants’ gradual incursions into the district of Tank, neighbouring South Waziristan, led to a total collapse of the civil administration in the district.
The police there have abandoned four out of five major police posts, and the gates of the police stations remain closed. They have also asked some nine bank branches in the town of Tank to arrange for their own security.
While the courts still function, the task of dispute settlement has passed into the hands of the Taleban groups operating in the area.

The Taleban also dominate the entire countryside further north around Bannu and the neighbouring district of Lakki Marwat.
In the capital of NWFP, Peshawar, schools belonging to international chains such as Bloomsfield and Beacon House had to shut down for four days at the end of last month when threats of attacks were issued by militants.
“We thought the militants wanted to fight the foreign troops in Afghanistan, but they seem to be hitting back at us,” says Bahramand Jan, media secretary to the NWFP chief minister.
The question is, why has this Taleban intrusion into Pakistani territory gone unchallenged?
**Incapacitated **

Some in NWFP say the Pakistani military establishment has deliberately allowed the Taleban to expand their area of influence.
This, they say, provides the government with the argument that the Taleban phenomenon is a spontaneous development which is difficult to control in Pakistan as well as in Afghanistan.
NWFP Governor Ali Mohammad Jan Orakzai seemed to be arguing this way when he told journalists last month that the Taleban movement was “developing into some sort of a nationalist movement, a sort of liberation war against coalition forces”.
But senior administration officials in Peshawar say the government is not colluding with Taleban.
Instead, they say, the government simply lacks the capacity to counter an increasingly aggressive Taleban force both on the border with Afghanistan, and in the provincially-administered Frontier Regions (FRs), those areas that separate the border tribal regions from NWFP.
“The police force is inadequately equipped in terms of manpower, logistics and weaponry, rendering the NWFP cities vulnerable,” says Ejaz Ahmad Qureshi, chief secretary of NWFP.

Critics say the security forces are inadequately equipped

This vulnerability arises from a power vacuum in the FR areas where security is traditionally provided by the paramilitary Frontier Constabulary, drawn from the tribes.
“Two-thirds of this force is deployed outside of the FR areas, leaving very little force to secure these areas,” says Malik Naveed, the commandant of the Frontier Constabulary.
The Frontier Corps, another paramilitary force comprising tribesmen but with officers drawn from the army, is largely tied up inside the two Waziristan districts.
**Military casualties **
And in the Waziristans, it seems, the military are often not prepared to take on the militants.
One Taleban fighter in Miranshah in North Waziristan told the BBC that Taleban fighters crossing over into Afghanistan often take a rest at border posts manned by the army and the Frontier Corps.
Some officials concede that confronting Taleban fighters at these posts could lead to armed hostilities which the government troops would be unable to control.
More than 700 Pakistani troops have been killed in confrontations with the militants since 2003 when the army moved into the tribal border areas, over which central government had until then exercised only nominal control. Officials say that such high military casualties forced the government to sign peace deals with the Waziristan tribes. But far from achieving peace in the tribal areas or in Afghanistan, it seems these deals now threaten peace in Pakistan itself.

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Did u read my whole post? Did I say that Karachi should be the capital?

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One unit was also another way for Punjab to gain control of all resources through its larger population and thankfully it failed after the struggle of ethnic minorities. Even today in parts of Punjab you will find support for one unit and hatred of one unit everywhere outside of Punjab. That is as good as indicator of the divide between Punjab and rest of Pakistan. It is the mentality of forcing things onto others that must be removed.

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So u are saying that, ZA Bhutto has nothig to do with East Pakistan Conspircy, and only these mullas were the reason of the division.. brother u r biased. no doubt left.

now irony is, if JI fought for the unity of Pakistan Along with the army, they are labeled as "terrorsits" i can understand why they are labeled as terrorists by MQM and Enemies of Pakistan....

But ZA bhutto who publically announced the "Idher ham Udher tum" is marked as jsut a leader....

u need some serious reading...

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yup coz MQM won't allow any intelletual conference in Karachi.. coz it ain't got any

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Only if u remove your preconcieved glasses will u be able to understand what is being said.

It reads as MILITARY+MULLA alliance and debacle of 1971 was because of the Military rulers (Yahya Khan) refusal to hand power to the rightfully elected majority of Awami League. Who helped the army in East Pakistan? It was the JI ghoondas in the form of AL Badr and Al Shams. These are historical facts, undeniable and known to all.