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In battle of Khundaq **, prophet(pbuh) had written a **truce **of help from **banu nuzair (jewish tribe) as in crucial **stage ...but when **saad bin muaz(ra) and saad bin ubada(ra) **asked O prophet (pbuh) is it from **Allah advice , prophet(pbuh) said no **...so both of the ansari leaders replied that then Allah is **enough **for us ... **and saad bin muaz(ra) tore the truce with his own hands.....
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i hope you all are amazing Muslims yourself! you better not anyone of you preaching here have any sorta flaws yourself!
and if you do, then you shouldnt really be preaching what you are not able to practice!
Shia sunni fitna will be the end of all of us! and anyone who propagates such fitna HATES ALL MUSLIMS!!!
considering how much MONEY!!! IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS has been and is continuously spent to create frictions amongst Muslims, i think what you are engaging in is really anti-Muslim!
I suspect, ultimately its going to be our own intolerance and arrogance, that will be the end of us! If the prophet could live alongside Jews and Christians, then why can we not learn from that and be tolerant ourselves! off all people, of all faiths and the sects within us!!!
WE NEED SHIA SUNNI UNITY FOR OUR OWN SURVIVAL!!!
so stop being stupid and creating fitna! 
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So it was umar(ra) advice **that **quran is enough **for us and prophet(pbuh) never repeated this order *again **because if it was from allah'sadvice , **prophet(pbuh) would have repeated *it as we cannot expect from the beloved prophet(pbuh) that he would leave the order of Allah allmighty..*..so when prophet(pbuh) said **leave the house *, clearly shows that prophet(pbuh) *changed his mind * as changed in *Uhad **battle , as changed in **khundaq **battle and let it be to ummah *"totally" **to decide about caliph ....
**and we are still in a doubt because nobody knows what actually he wanted to write ???... may be not about the caliphate !!! how can **you guess that ..????...
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they are so many sites dedicated to all this non-snese suddenly Please i advice all people who read this particular threat, to not be let the offensive bigots here get to you!
Just realize we can not let them propagate violence amongst Muslims!
I think considering all that ails the world, considering all the demonizing of the Muslims, we can not afford to give in to such hateful talk to divide us even further!
to demonize and create secretarian violence amongst us!!! we will not any one of us survive, this violence and rift is a threat to us all!! so really we must disenage from it as much as we can!!!
I think the most important thing our faith teaches us is self-discipline! we need to discipline OURSELVES! be better human beings! All-h will judge us for that, how we acted with others on this planet, not for our ability to control our fellow human beings, but we will be judged for our ability to CONTROL OURSELF!!!
so i again i plead, disengage from creating fitna amongst Muslims! we must preach peace! we can not afford to not do that!!!
Let the bigots be bigots, we should not let them create hate in our heart! its poisonous and contagious, so best stay away from it!
Let them preach hate and propogate violence, let us not walk away with hatred after reading this thread of anyone!!!
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Yaar Sis … whenever i used to stop the **fitna **, you blame me for **creating **fitna…
who the hell is creating fitna ??? i am just telling the **true incidents **of history that **despites of small differences **in point of views in 4 caliphs...they all had very **very good rather i say excellent **relations..,… so you shias also follow this .and stop accusing and blamming sahabas and wifes of prophet(pbuh) for this is the only way of peace between muslim ummah …
and i am **negating ****your historian’s fairy tales **about the bad relationships between ali(ra) and other great sahabas…
now tell me , if i am creating fitna or eradicating it ???
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A Shia asked one of the Ahle Sunna: "Who is better than four with whom the fifth is Allahs Messenger?
He meant Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Husayn when the Prophet wrapped his mantle around them.
*The Sunni replied: "Two with whom Allah Most High is the third." *
*He was alluding to the Prophet and Abu Bakr Siddiq in the cave when the Prophet said to him: *
*"What do you think of two of which Allah is the third?" *
(Tabaqat Al Shafiyya Al Kubra, Vol 5)
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No one is creating *hate **and **violence ........ *
but saying that there nothing such things happened as your **historians **quote about the sahabas.....
umar(ra) kicked in fatima(ra) belly to kill her **premature son *......etc etc
i am just telling that ......
ali(ra) was in all **3 shuras **of caliphs at high ranks .....
*ali(ra) was acting caliph when umar(ra) went **jerusalem......
*ali(ra) wanted to **kill **ibne saba when ibne saba used **abusive **language against 3 caliphs...
*ali(ra) respected aysha(ra) and send him with **40 armed women **towards makkah after battle of **jamal...despite that she had a **mistake **of fighting him...???
*ali(ra) wept over the death **of zubair(ra) and talha(ra) *....
**why farwa you not follow your greatest imam ??????
why farwa , tell me why .....why not ?????**
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Consultation with a Prophet and disobeying a Prophet are two very different things.
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Waiting for an answer for the above quote, any takes for this one:naraz:
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He meant Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Husayn when the Prophet wrapped his mantle around them.
*The Sunni replied: "Two with whom Allah Most High is the third." *
*He was alluding to the Prophet and Abu Bakr Siddiq in the cave when the Prophet said to him: *
*"What do you think of two of which Allah is the third?" *
(Tabaqat Al Shafiyya Al Kubra, Vol 5)
and you accuse shias of mis-interpreting the ayats of the Holy Book.
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Banu Israel are the biggest enemies of Muslims. Allaah Almighty has one place, stated in the Noble Quraan. Oh, listeners! You will see that the most intense in enmity to believers are the Jews. So the biggest enemies are admittedly the Jews. The conspiracies made by Jews against Muslims are part of our history. I was saying that 'faith' alighted on Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) conveyed the trust of Allaah to the nation after which, Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) set out for his last sojourn. Earlier, the Jews excepting that the tree shall not prosper because the Arabs in every movement and in each programme were succeeded by their sons. The words of father are fulfilled by sons when they became adult, and victory was also obtained through sons. As there was no son of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), and Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had daughters only, the Jews were expecting that immediately after the demise of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), the tree of Islaam shall automatically fall.
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The Jews were hopeful, and they remained in anticipation. Inspite of fully well knowing and recognising the last prophet ‑ Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), refusing to believe and when Islaam showered its full brilliances and Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had declared the completion of 'faith', the Jews, hopefully thinking that in the absence of a son of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), the matter would automatically end, but now were perturbed to see, although Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had no son, thousands of people were ready and on stand by to be sacrificed for him. People in crowds were with Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) to deliver and to shoulder the responsibility of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam). You talk about a son. One person has one son, the other two and another four but that responsibility cannot be completed with two / four sons, which may bring a revolution. The revolution came when not one but thousands of disciples were standing with Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam). A son cannot complete the responsibility of his father to that extent, which the companions (RA) completed the responsibility of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), against the hopes of Jews that the destruction of Muslims is going to be because there was no son of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam).
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Allaah Almighty said in the Noble Quraan in reply to Jews saying that Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) has no male issue, and provided information "My beloved Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), that who is your enemy, he shall be worst. His mission would not continue. Your responsibility will continue." This word "worst", in Arabic "Abtar" deteriorating became "Aunter". So, Allaah said, "You enemy is worst". His race shall end. The race of Jews, who are your Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam's) enemies, shall not continue. Your chain will continue, although you have no son, but your hundreds of devotees shall be a stand‑by for your responsibility and shall bring revolutions all over the world. Inspite of having no male issue, Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) was not at all under any loss and Allaah Almighty provided thousands of disciples, but the Jews, who were enemies due to their stubbornness, Allaah Almighty made them completely unsuccessful as Allaah had said to Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) that the enemy would be 'worst' and their race would not continue.
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The Shiah community has been propagating that the first three caliphs were in fact against Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and they had tyrannically captured the government forcibly and as such they are tyrannys. You may ask them as to whether the descendants of Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radhiyAllaahu anhu), Hadhrat Umar (radhiyAllaahu anhu) and Hadhrat Uthmaan Ghani (radhiyAllaahu anhu) are present or not? Those who are called Siddiqi, are descendants of Hadhrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (radhiyAllaahu anhu), those called Farooqi are descendants of Hadhrat Umar Farooq (radhiyAllaahu anhu) and those who are called 'Uthmaani' are descendants of Hadhrat Uthmaan Ghani (radhiyAllaahu anhu). Who were Moulana Jawad Siddiq, Moulana Abdul Shakoor Farooqi and Moulana Shabbir Uthmaani? Presently, according to facts and figures, there are so many Siddiquies, Farooqies and Uthmaanies scattered and residing all over the world. They have been told many a times that the Quraan says: (Your enemy shall be worst) meaning that they will have no descendants.
Have you ever heard that the descendants of Abu Lahb is present in the world? No, Quraan had declared that "your enemy would be worst and he will have no descendants". If Hadhrat Abu Bakr Siddiq, Umar Farooq and Uthmaan Ghani (radhiyAllaahu anhum) were against Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), as the Shias say, then why have they descendants, which spread over the areas where the descendants of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) or Hadhrat Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu) spread. The number, you will hear, is in thousands and thousands, with whose names 'Siddiqui', 'Farooqi', 'Uthmaani' and 'Alyi' are attached. The Jews were under the impression because Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had no son, his responsibility will fail, but they saw that his companions (radhiyAllaahu anhum) acted so wisely that at the time of his demise, his companions so swiftly marched forth that in few countable years the flag of Islaam was flying over Rome, Iran, Yemen, Egypt and Syria. This success, in actual fact, was the success of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam). The flag, which was flying actually belonged to Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), and those who were hoisting it were doing so as his servants and flag bearers. The success was of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam).
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They are notorious for mis-intrepreting anything. :halo:
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*ali(ra) was in all **3 shuras **of caliphs at high ranks .....
Shura? How was hz Umar elected?
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ali(ra) was acting caliph when umar(ra) went **jerusalem*......
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Islam was the main concern of hz Ali a.s. Not politics.
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ali(ra) respected aysha(ra) and send him with **40 armed women **towards makkah after battle of **jamal*...despite that she had a **mistake **of fighting him...???
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Whats with the question mark? She sinned. Koi shaaq?
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The entire edifice of Shiism is raised on the single basis of HATRED FOR THE SAHAABAH of Rasulullah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam). Right from the inception of Islam to this day, there has not been a group, including Rushdie, who has displayed so much hatred and who has spat so much venom against the Sahaabah. The Ummah has not seen such implacable foes of the Sahaabah as the Shiahs, whose wird and wazeefah are ‘la-nat’ for the Sahaabah (radhiallahu anhum). In Shia ideology dawah is directed only towards the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah — the followers of the Sahaabah. The Shia concept of dawah and tableegh does not bring Kuffaar, i.e. other Kuffaar besides the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamah, who are ‘Kuffaar’ according to Shiism, within its ambit. It is for this reason that history has not observed any Shiah muballigheen inviting Kuffaar in general to Islam. That is because Shiahs have no true Islam to follow. The thrust of their ‘tableegh’ is directed to only the Ahlus Sunnah whom they conspire to convert to Shiism by intrigue, corruption, fitnah and deception.
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Second of the two in the cave and that is interpreted as great merit of hz Abu Bakr. The Prophet (s) takes him family under the cloak and Allah makes them pure and that has no merit. Wah kha interpretation hai. Companions are subordinates to the Ahle Bayt. Being in a cave does not help. So please give it a rest.
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very informative posts by khanbabax....