Muharram Starts!!! Some Important Questions to Ask (Exclusive)

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@healthymind

In volume 3, al-Bukhari reported in "The Chapter on Traditions of Fabrications", from "The Book of Testimony": "The Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.) said: 'Who will help me against a man who has hurt me by harming my family?' Sa'd b. Mu'adh got up and said: 'O Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.), I will relieve you from him. If he is from the Aws, we will behead him. And if he is from our brothers, the Khazraj, we will do as you order'. Sa'd b. 'Ubada got up, and he was the chief of the Khazraj, and before this he was a righteous man but he was filled with zeal (for his tribe) and said: 'By Allah! You have lied. You will not kill him for you are not capable of doing it'. Usayd b. al-Hudayr rose and said: 'By Allah, you have lied! By Allah, we will certainly kill him for you are a hypocrite and argue on behalf of the hypocrites'. The argument between the Aws and the Khazraj became so heated that they were about to fight each other. The Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) was on the pulpit, and he kept on placating them until they finally kept quiet, whereupon he also kept quiet" (al-Bukhari, vol. 5 p. 156, and vol. 6, p. 8). Sa'd b. 'Ubada, the chief of the Ansar, is accused of hypocrisy, having been, as the report testifies, a righteous man, and he is called a hypocrite in the presence of the Prophet (P) who did not defend him. The Ansar, whom Allah has praised so much in His book, instigated the 'Aws and Khazraj who were prepared to fight [each other] for a hypocrite who had annoyed the Prophet (P) concerning his family and [they were prepared] to defend him and had raised their voices in the presence of the Prophet (S.A.W.). [Knowing all this] how can we be surprised by the hypocrisy of others, those who had dedicated their lives to fighting against the Prophet (P) and his message, or those who intended to burn the house of his daughter after his death, for the sake of the Caliphate?

So you are so ignorant that you not know about the tribal customs and behaviours and attitudes of tribal history !!!!!!!
at that time it was a question of tribal prestige **so ubada(ra) rose against it and muuaz(ra) said him in anger that you are hypocrite and defending them ??? if some person say me hypocrite in anger , **so will i become a hypocrite ????
what a nonesense you took all this ... having funny logic and ridiculous arguments !!!!! folks and jokes , all are mixing ...

i have already discussed about the tribal nature of ubada(ra) previously.......
at the occasion of fatah makkah and in bamu saqeefa ...

*by the way brother , can you tell me what the real reason was behind the conflict of hashimis and ummayads ????? *

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I am asking this question before 15 th century as in 15 **century ... new religion shia was **manufactured **by **safvaids of iran **as i have discussed before from **wikepedia....

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@healthymind

Al-Bukhari has reported in his Sahih, in volume 8, in "The Book of Unity", in "The Chapter on Allah's words: 'The angels and the holy spirit ascend to Him...'", "'Ali b. Abi Talib sent some pieces of gold from Yemen to the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.). The Prophet (P) distributed it among some people. The Quraysh and the Ansar became angry and said: 'He has given to the notables of the Najd and forsaken us'. The Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.) said: 'Rather, I was placating them'. A man came to him and said: 'O Muhammad! Fear Allah!' The Prophet (S.A.W.) said: 'Who will obey Allah if I were to disobey him? He entrusts me to the people of the earth, don't you trust me?' Khalid b. al-Walid asked him if he could kill him, but the Prophet (P) prevented him from that. When he went away, the Prophet (S.A.W.) said: 'From the offspring of this man will come a people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not go past their throats. They will pierce Islam as an arrow pierces the game. They will kill the Muslims but will spare the idolaters. Were I to meet them, I would kill them as 'Ad was killed'" (al-Bukhari, vol. 8 p. 178). This is another hypocrite among the companions, accusing the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) of injustice in distribution, and then confronts him in total disrespect with the words: "O Muhammad, fear Allah". Although the Apostle of Allah (P) knew of his hypocrisy, and that from his descendants would emerge a people who would pierce Islam as an arrow pierces the game, killing the Muslims and sparing the idolaters, despite all of this, the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.) prevented Khalid from killing him. In this is an answer to the ahl al-sunna, who always argue with me saying: "If the Prophet of Allah knew that there were hypocrites among his companions who would be the cause for leading the Muslims astray, it would have been obligatory upon him to kill them so as to protect his umma and to protect his religion".

again you are jocking.....
if this man , a hypocrite from ibne ubai tribe *came and said all this ......
what is the *fault **of true and great companions of prophet(pbuh)......
was this man was among the **3 caliphs or other true companions ...LOL

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*are true companions are responsible for what other did * ??????

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@healthymind

In volume 3, in "The Chapter if the Imam urges for a Treaty" in "The Book of Treaties", al-Bukhari relates: "Al-Zubayr reported that he argued against a man from the Ansar who had participated at [the battle of] Badr, and that he presented the matter to the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) about a stream which both used for irrigation. The Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) said to al-Zubayr: 'Irrigate from it, O Zubayr, and then let [the water] flow to your neighbour'. The Ansari became angry and said: 'O Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.), is it because he is your cousin?' The face of the Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.) changed (with anger) and he said: 'Irrigate and then hold it (the water) until it reaches the walls'" (Volume 3 p. 171). This is another group of the hypocritical companions who believed that the Prophet of Allah (P) was influenced by sentiments and would favour his cousin. They said it impudently until the Prophet's face changed colour due to intense anger.

You keep on repeating the same thing...

if someone from *ibne ubai tribe **said all this..... why you **weep **for the purity of other true companions ... they ran from **uhad *, thet blammed *aysha(ra) *... so do you think they could not blame prophet(pbuh) for nepotism ... what a joke !!!!!

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@healthymind

in volume 3, in "The Chapter if the Imam urges for a Treaty" in "The Book of Treaties", al-Bukhari relates: "Al-Zubayr reported that he argued against a man from the Ansar who had participated at [the battle of] Badr, and that he presented the matter to the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) about a stream which both used for irrigation. The Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) said to al-Zubayr: 'Irrigate from it, O Zubayr, and then let [the water] flow to your neighbour'. The Ansari became angry and said: 'O Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.), is it because he is your cousin?' The face of the Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.) changed (with anger) and he said: 'Irrigate and then hold it (the water) until it reaches the walls'" (Volume 3 p. 171). This is another group of the hypocritical companions who believed that the Prophet of Allah (P) was influenced by sentiments and would favour his cousin. They said it impudently until the Prophet's face changed colour due to intense anger. Al-Bukhari reported in his Sahih, in volume 4, "The Chapter on What the Prophet used to give to those whose Hearts were to be Placated"; in "The Book of "Jihad and Campaigns"; "From 'Abd Allah (R), who said: 'On the day of the battle of Hunayn, the Prophet (S.A.W.) favoured [some] people in the distribution (of booty). He gave al-Aqra b. Habis one hundred camels, and he gave 'Uyayna the same amount. He also granted some to the eminent Arabs, giving them preference in the distribution that day. A man said: 'By Allah! There is no justice in this distribution and the pleasure of Allah is not sought in it'. I said: 'By Allah, most certainly I will inform the Prophet (S.A.W.)'. So I came and informed him. He said: 'And who will be just if Allah and His Prophet are not just? May Allah bless Moses. He was troubled more than this, and yet he remained patient'" (al-Bukhari Volume 4, p. 61). This is another hypocrite amongst the companions of the Prophet of Allah (P) and perhaps he was amongst the prominent Qurayshis. As a result, the narrator refrained from mentioning his name, afraid of the repercussions from the rulers of the time. You observe that the hypocrite is certain in his belief and swears that Muhammad was not just, and that he (the Prophet) did not wish to please Allah in his distribution. May Allah have mercy on Muhammad for he was troubled more than this, yet he was patient

again misnterpretation of history....

it happened actually that after the *fatah makkah *, **hunain **was first fight and after winning , prophet(pbuh) gave greater portion to quraish like abu **sufyan (ra) , muavia(ra) , yazeed(ra) , his elder brother , for "Taleefa-i-Qalb" **means happiness of heart so that these **new convertee **to islam have complete faith...

some *youth of ansars *, talked about this so prophet(pbuh) gathered all ansars and said:

• ahle-ansar , would that not through me , allah gave you rise and respect **..... ansars unanimously replied ... **great thanks of allah and rasool on us ....

ahle-ansar , would that not through me , allah gave you *riches and wealth ....ansars unanimously replied ... great thanks of allah and rasool on us *....

ahle-ansars you can say that o prophet(pbuh) , we gave you food , shelter and houses when people of makkah expelled you ... we cannot forget your kindness and gesture !!!!!

then prophet(pbuh) said the historical sentence :

ahle-ansar , do not you like that other people will go home with camels , goats , sheeps and other animals and you will go home with your prophet(pbuh) ......

on hearing this sentence , the whole gathering of ahle-ansars became mad and started weeping bitterly ... they kept on saying the one sentence for minutes that ... By God , we do not wat anything except his prophet(pbuh)...... they wept so much that thier beards became wet with tears .......

the prophet(pbuh) .... himself start weeping **... then raised his hands and prayed for a long time for **ansars that O lord , give medina the double barkat as makkah ... O people of medina , you are the real brain of islam ...... O allah give them thier generations the virtues of islam...

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@healthymind

In volume 4, in "The Chapter on the Signs of Prophethood in Islam", in "The Book of the Beginning of Creation", al-Bukhari recorded: "Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (R) said: 'We were with the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) and he was distributing portions. Dhu'l-Khuwaysira came to him. He was from the Banu Tamim. He said: 'O Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.). Be just'. He said: 'Woe be to you! Who will be just if I am not just? You would be disappointed and at a loss if I were not just'. 'Umar said: 'O Prophet of Allah give me permission to smite his neck'. He said: 'Leave him alone. He has companions whose prayers and fasts, when compared with one of yours, makes it appear insignificant. They recite the Qur'an but it does not go past their throats. They pierce [through] the religion as an arrow pierces through the game'" (al-Bukhari, vol. 4, p. 179). This is another group of hypocritical companions who outwardly exhibited such an abundance of piety and humility that even the Prophet (P) said to 'Umar: "The prayers and fasts of one of you seems little compared to their prayers and fasts". There is no doubt that they would memorize the Qur'an completely, but it did not go past their throats. The words of the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.): "Leave him alone for he has companions" indicates the presence of the hypocrites in huge numbers among the companions.

Are you mad .... you keep on giving the examples of ubai and co. and start weeping ... hypocrists were great in no......hypocrists were great in no......hypocrists were great in no........ jokes.... i have already told above thier no.

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@healthmind

Al-Bukhari reported in volume 3, in "The Chapter on what has been [narrated] Regarding Plants" in "The Book of Deputyship": "From Sahl b. Sa'id (R) who said: 'We used to rejoice on Fridays for there was an old woman who used to cut some roots of the silq (a kind of vegetable) which we used to plant on the banks of our water streams. She would cook them in her pot adding some barley on it, I do not know the amount of it except that there was no fat or melted fat on it. When we finished the Friday prayers, we would go to her and she would serve it to us. Due to that, we used to he happy on Fridays. We would neither eat nor take the midday nap until after the prayer'" (Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 3 p.73). Good for those companions who rejoiced on Fridays, not because they would meet the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) or listen to his sermons and his exhortations or would pray behind him, nor because they would meet each other, or [would rejoice] due to the day's blessings and mercy; they rejoiced on Fridays because of a special dish that an old woman would prepare for them. If a contemporary Muslim were to say that he rejoiced on Fridays for food, he would be regarded as dimwitted and negligent (of the importance of the day). If we wish to research and investigate more, we would find that the grateful ones, whom the Qur'an praised, were a minority, they did not exceed twelve in number. These were the devoted ones who did not hurry towards vain pleasures and trade, abandoning their prayer. They were steadfast with the Prophet (S.A.W.) in wars on a number of occasions when the rest of the companions turned their backs and fled.

what a childish explanation... as given by a child of 6 ... *who say roti a chochi *

i do not want to comment over this shameful childish attitude !!!!!

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@healthmind

In volume 4, in "The Chapter on what is Detested in Argument and Disagreement in War", in "The Book of War and Campaigns", al-Bukhari reported from al-Bara' b. 'Azib who said: "The Prophet (S.A.W.) appointed an infantry of fifty men on the day of Uhud, and appointed 'Abd Allah b. Jubayr as the leader. He said to them: 'Even if you see birds snatching us, do not leave your positions until I send for you'. They were defeating them. He said: 'And I saw, by Allah, the women fleeing with their anklets and legs visible as they had raised their dresses. The companions of 'Abd Allah b. Jubayr said: 'The booty! O people, the booty! Your companions have prevailed so what are you waiting for?' 'Abd Allah b. Jubayr said: 'Have you forgotten what the Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.) said to you?' They said: 'By Allah! We will go to them and take [something] from the booty'. When they came to them, their faces were turned away and they started to retreat. At that time, the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) called them from behind. Only twelve men remained with him whilst seventy of us fell". (Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 4, p. 26). We know from what the historians relate of this battle that the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) left with one thousand companions, each one desiring to fight in Allah's path, allured with the help that had come at Badr. However, they disobeyed the commands of the Prophet (P), causing a loathsome, horrible rout in which seventy people were killed, the chief of whom was Hamza, the uncle of the Prophet (P). The remainder fled, and only twelve people remained with the Prophet (P) on the battlefield, according to what al-Bukhari says. The other historians reduce this number to only four. These were 'Ali b. Abi Talib, who resisted the polytheists, thereby protecting the front of the Prophet (S.A.W.); Abu Dijana who protected the rear, Talha and Zubayr. It is said that Sahl b. Hanif [was also there].

it was a big mistake... again i say military mistake that for *mal-e-ghanimat *... they did a mistake which had to payed back very heavily...but again they *were humans *... so mistakes can be done from the.... its a natural ting....

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@healthymind

Perhaps some researchers, when they read of such events and narrations, pay little attention to them and assume that they were occasional happenings which Allah forgave and that the companions did not repeat them afterwards. Certainly not, the noble Qur'an informs us of startling facts, for Allah, Glory be to Him, has recorded their fleeing on the day of the battle of Uhud in His words: "Allah fulfilled His promise when you, by His Permission, were about to rout your enemy, yet you failed and fell to arguing about the order and disobeyed it after He brought you in sight of what you coveted. Amongst you are those who desire this world and amongst you are some who desire the hereafter. Then did He divert you from your foes in order to test you. But He forgave you. And Allah is full of grace to the true believers. You were climbing (high ground) without glancing at any one and the Prophet was calling you from behind. Then God gave you one distress after another so that you should not grieve at what [booty] you lost and what has befallen you, and Allah is well aware of what you do" (3:153). This verse was revealed after the battle of Uhud, wherein the Muslims were routed due to their craving after the worldly goods when they saw the women raising their dresses and showing their legs and their ankles, according to al-Bukhari's report. They disobeyed Allah and His Prophet (P) as is related by the Qur'an. Did the companions pay heed to that event and repent and seek His forgiveness, not repeating such acts afterwards?

do not exagerrate the *matter ...for your own vicious purpose to negate companions... infact when **khalid bin wlaeed(ra) and akrama bin abu jahal(ra) **came from back of mountain and attacked furiously ... there was such a great **hustle and bustle **that it is written in all history books that muslims start killing each other *... such a tension was there ... then a news of prophet(pbuh) death announced .. so many muslims lose heart by keeping thier swords down... so in this great panic moment , only 12 were thier ... afterwards ... muslims gathered and ran before makkans but they fled from the battlefield ...!!!!

so allah gave a lesson to muslims how the negation of prophet(pbuh) canresult in !!!!!!

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By the way , only the negation of one saying , muslims suffered much ... and you shias negate every hadees and saying of prophet(pbuh) ... what will you say about that .........

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@helthymind

According to the historians, they were 12,000 in number in that battle. Despite their larger numbers, they took to flight and turned their backs as usual, leaving the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) amidst the enemies of Allah, the polytheists. He had only 9 or 10 persons from Banu Hashim, at the head of whom was Imam 'Ali b. Abi Talib, according to al-Ya'qubi in his history, as well as according to other [sources]. If their flight on the day of Uhud was disgraceful, then, at Hunayn, it was even more despicable and evil, for the steadfast ones who stayed with him at Uhud were four from out of a thousand companions, a ratio of 1:250. At Hunayn, there were only ten patient and steadfast ones from 12,000 companions, a ratio of 1:1200. If Uhud occurred at the beginning of the emigration and the people were still few [in number], and only recently converted from the [period of] ignorance, what was their excuse at the battle of Hunayn which occurred at the end of 8 A.H., when only two years of the life of the Prophet remained? Despite their superior numbers and preparedness, they ran away head over heels from the battle, not even looking back at the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.). The noble Qur'an clearly explains their feeble stances and their running away from that battle in the following words: "And on the day of Hunayn when your large numbers elated you but yet availed you naught, the land constrained you despite its width, and you turned in retreat. Allah sent tranquillity on the Prophet and on the believers and sent down an army which you did not perceive, and punished those who disbelieved, that is the chastisement for the disbelievers" (9:26). Allah explains that He strengthened [the position of] His Prophet (P) and those who persevered with him in the fight, by sending tranquillity to them, and then assisted them with an army of angels who fought by their side and helped them against the disbelievers. There was no need of the deserters who fled from the enemy because they were afraid to die, disobeying thereby their Lord and their Prophet. Every time Allah tested them He found them failing. For further clarification, it is necessary for us to examine the narration reported by al-Bukhari, especially the routing of the companions in Hunayn. He reported in volume 5, in "The Chapter on Allah's Words"; 'On the day of Hunayn when you were elated by your numbers, yet it availed you not...'", in "The Book of Military Campaigns", from Abu al-Qatada who said: "On the day of Hunayn, I saw a Muslim fighting a polytheist while another polytheist was coming up from the rear to kill him. I hastened to the one who was coming up from the rear. He raised his hand to strike me, and I struck his hand and dismembered it. He grabbed me and squeezed me heavily until I feared [for my life]. Then he let up; I broke free and struck him, killing him. The Muslims were routed, and I was defeated with them. 'Umar b. al-Khattab was with the people; I said to him: 'What is the matter with the people?' He said: 'It is by Allah's decree...'" (al-Bukhari, vol. 5, p. 101).

it was merely because muslims were proud **of thier no. as in sura toba ... so this pride which ruined the **Iblees... also ruined the muslims on hunain...
so allah gave a **lesson to **companions that never be proud of your no. but have a faith in Allah.

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Secondly , the banu hunain were so immensely throwing arraows that for a moment , muslims were in panic but atlast they won the battle ... now tell me only 9 men of banu hashim won the war !!!!!

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@healthymind

By Allah, how amazing is the conduct of 'Umar b. al-Khattab, who is held by the ahl al-sunna to be among the bravest of the companions, if not the bravest of them all? They relate that Allah strengthened Islam through him and that the Muslims did not openly preach [Islam] until after his conversion. History informs us of the true events and how he turned his back and fled from battle on the day of Uhud. Just as he turned back on the day of Khaybar when the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.)sent him to the city of Khaybar to conquer it, placing him at the head of an army. He and his companions were routed and they returned accusing him ('Umar) of cowardice, and him accusing them of cowardice. He also retreated and fled on the day of Hunayn with those who fled; perhaps he was the first to flee, and people followed him since he was the bravest of them. As a result, we see Abu Qatada [who was] among the thousands who fled, turning and asking 'Umar b. al-Khattab, as one surprised: "What is the matter with the people?" 'Umar b. al-Khattab was not satisfied with his running away from the battle and leaving the Prophet of Allah (P) in the middle of the polytheists. He [further] pretended to Abu Qatada that it was the decree of Allah! Did Allah order 'Umar b. al-Khattab to flee from the battle? Or did He command him to remain firm and to persevere in the wars and not to run away? He said to him and his companions: "O you who believe! If you meet the disbelievers in battle, do not turn upon your heels" (8:1). Allah took a covenant from him and his companions about that, as has been related in Allah's wise book: "They had promised Allah before not to turn upon their heels, and the covenant with Allah must be answered for" (33:15). How can Abu Hafs ('Umar) turn away from the battle and allege that it is Allah's decree? Where does he stand regarding the injunctions of these clear verses? Or are there seals upon the hearts? We are not here discussing the personality of 'Umar b. al-Khattab, we shall devote a special chapter to him. The hadith of al-Bukhari is nonetheless striking and leaves us with no alternative [but] to make quick observations. What concerns us at this point is the testimony of al-Bukhari that the companions, in spite of their large numbers, turned back on the day of Hunayn. Whoever reads the historical texts on those wars and military campaigns will encounter the most surprising things. If the decree of Allah was not obeyed by most companions, as we realized from the preceding discussions, then their disobedience to the commands of the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) while he was alive and in their midst is not surprising. As for his commands after his death, may my father and mother be sacrificed for him, these were neglected, changed and altered without any concern.

**These all was the close companions of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) which you consider better the the purified one's (family of Prophet pbuh)

ALLAH AP SAB RAHAM KARE**

yes . it was a decree of allah **to show muslims the **consequence **of **pride......

regarding the personality of umar(ra) , the great , take a book of **100 more influencial personalities of hisory by Michal H Hart and read it ... there are only 2 from islam ...at no. 1 prophet(pbuh) and at no. 52 . farooq(ra) , the great !!!!!!

then tell me about his personality , my sweety !!!!**

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@healthymind

The Companions' position regarding the Orders of the Prophet during his lifetime

Let us begin with the commands he issued during his lifetime which were countered by the companions with revolt and disobedience. For the sake of brevity, we shall discuss only those [reports] documented by al-Bukhari in his Sahih. We will devote special pages to the rest of the Sahihs of the ahl al-sunna, they are replete with far more instances, and with far more explicit and challenging reports.

Al-Bukhari reported in volume 3, in "The Chapter on the Conditions on War and Making Treaties with those who Wage Wars", in "The Book of Conditions", after reporting the episode of the treaty of al-Hudaybiyya and 'Umar b. al-Khattab's opposition to what the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) had agreed to, he doubted him, saying to him openly: "Aren't you really the Prophet of Allah"?.. to the end of the story... Al-Bukhari said: "When they finished the matter of writing down the terms [of the treaty], the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) said to his companions: 'Arise and sacrifice the animals and then shave your heads'. He said: 'By Allah! Not a man stood up from them, even after he repeated himself three times. Yet no one amongst them rose. He went to Umm Salama and related to her what he had encountered from the people'" (Sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 3, p. 182).

Are you not surprised, O reader, at the insolence and disobedience of the companions with regards to the order of the Prophet (S.A.W.)? Although it was repeated three times, none of them responded.

it was auch a tense period **that everyone was **out of control... the muslims , who were out of thier homeland for 6 years **, are not allowed to enter makkah , **thier home-city.....where everyone is allowed to perform hajj as a house of allah , noone can restrict anyone to go there ...so this thing ignited the muslims .... further , abu jandal(ra) came with chains all around ... this worsed the situations....

thirdly , muslims were victorious in **5 higri against all arb tribes in khandaq **battle , so they would not want now to be defeated by kuffars....

and in last , the almost all of *the agreement was in total favour of kuffars *... so muslims were not realizing that ...latter when **sura fatah **revealed ... and makkah was conquered , then they realized this ......

and for how many times , will i write about the enthusiastic nature of umar(ra) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
however , umar(ra) gave a lot of **sadqa and zakat **after the hudaibia for speaking a loud with prophet(pbuh) !!!!!!

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@healthymind

It is necessary here to relate a discussion that took place between some scholars and myself in Tunis after the publication of my book "Then I Was Guided". In it, they had read my remarks on the treaty of al-Hudaybiyya, and, in turn, had added their comments to mine, saying: "If the companions had disobeyed the order of the Prophet (S.A.W.) on the sacrifice and shaving, and none of them complied with his order, then 'Ali b. Abi Talib was among them and therefore he [also] did not comply with the order of the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.)". I responded to them with the following: Firstly: 'Ali was not reckoned to be among the companions. For he was the brother and cousin of the Prophet of Allah, the husband of his daughter and the father of his progeny. 'Ali was with the Prophet of Allah on one side, and the rest of the people on the other. If the narrator in Sahih al-Bukhari said that the Prophet (S.A.W.) ordered his companions to slaughter the animals and to shave their heads, then Abu'l-Hasan (A.S.) was not counted among them. For he was to him (the Prophet) what Aaron was to Moses. Don't you see that the greetings upon the Prophet are not complete unless the greetings upon his family are added to them? Without doubt he ('Ali) is the leader of the progeny of Muhammad. [As for] Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman and other companions, their prayers are not complete unless they mention 'Ali b. Abi Talib along with Muhammad b. 'Abd Allah.

Secondly: The Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) always used to share with 'Ali, his brother, his sacrifices, as occurred in the farewell pilgrimage when 'Ali came from Yemen and the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) asked him: "What did you offer [for sacrifice] O 'Ali?" He replied: "What the Prophet of Allah offered". The Prophet shared his sacrifice with him. All the hadith reporters and historians have recorded this incident. He must have been his partner at al-Hudaybiyya too. Thirdly: 'Ali b. Abi Talib was the one who wrote the terms of the treaty of al-Hudaybiyya, as dictated by the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.), and had never disputed with him in anything throughout his life; not at al-Hudaybiyya, nor at any other occasion. History has not recorded a single instance at which 'Ali (A.S.) delayed [carrying out an order of] the Prophet (P) or disobeyed him even once, God forbid, or that he ever fled from a battle and left his brother and cousin amongst the enemies. Rather, he constantly offered himself [as a sacrifice]. In short, 'Ali b. Abi Talib was like the Prophet (P) himself. As a result, the Prophet (S.A.W.) used to say: "None is allowed to remain in the mosque while ritually impure (junub) except I and 'Ali".

Most of the participants [in the discussion] were convinced by what I had presented and admitted that 'Ali b. Abi Talib never in his life opposed any order of the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.).

what a sweet way to free ali(ra) from this wholle situation !!!!!

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@healthymind

Al-Bukhari reported in volume 8, in "The Chapter on Abhorrence of Differences", in "The Book on Adherence to the Qur'an and Sunna", from 'Abd Allah b. 'Abbas who said: "When the time of the Prophet's (S.A.W.) death drew near, there were people in the house, among them 'Umar b. al-Khattab. He said: 'Come so that I may write for you [something] so that you may never go astray'. 'Umar said: 'Surely the Prophet (S.A.W.) is overcome by pain; you have with you the Qur'an, and the book of Allah is sufficient for us". The members of the household differed and argued [amongst themselves]. Among them were those who said: 'Come closer, the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) will write for you [something] so you will never go astray afterwards'. Among them were those who said what 'Umar had said. When the noise and differences intensified in the presence of the Prophet (S.A.W.), he said: 'Go away from me'". Ibn 'Abbas used to say: "The calamity of all calamities was the clamour and differences that occurred between the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) and his writing the dictate for them" (al-Bukhari, vol. 8, p. 161; vol. 1, p. 37, and vol. 5, p. 138).

This is another command of the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) which the companions countered with rejection, disobedience and degradation [of the status of] the Prophet (S.A.W.). It must be noted that when he (the Prophet) asked for paper and ink to be brought so that he could write for them a letter which would prevent them from going astray, 'Umar b. al-Khattab said in the presence of the Prophet (S.A.W.): "The Prophet of Allah is delirious", i.e., hallucinating, God forbid. Al-Bukhari, however, rectified that expression and changed it to "overcome by pain", because the one who said it was 'Umar b. al-Khattab. You see, he omitted the name of 'Umar in the narration, saying: "and they said the Prophet of Allah is delirious". This is the honesty of al-Bukhari in transmitting hadith. (We will, God willing, devote a special chapter to this.)

In any case, most hadith scholars and historians relate that 'Umar b. al-Khattab said: "Surely the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) is delirious" and many companions followed him and said what he said in the presence of the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.). It is for us to picture the awful event and those raised voices, the intense clamour and dissension in his presence. No matter how the narration expresses it, it can inform us only a little of the actual scene. It is the same if we read a historical book on the life of Moses (P); no matter how vivid the book is, it will not have the effect of a film which we see with our eyes......

the same *pen and paper theory *... which has proven false infinity times ....!!!!

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@healthymind

In volume 7, in "The Chapter on What is Allowable in Anger and Intensity for Allah's sake", al-Bukhari reported in "The Book of Morals": "The Prophet (S.A.W.) made a small room with a mat from palm leaves. He came out (of his house) and went out to pray on it. The people followed him in this. The [next] night they [also] came, but the Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.) delayed and did not come out to them. So they raised their voices and threw stones at the door. He came out angrily and said: 'You insisted on it (the prayer), until I thought it would become obligatory upon you. Offer your (optional) prayer in your homes, for surely the best prayer of a man is in his house, except the obligatory prayer'" (Sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 7, p. 99; vol. 2, p. 252; vol. 4, p. 168). Most unfortunately, 'Umar contravened the order of the Prophet (S.A.W.) and gathered the people for supererogatory prayer during his Caliphate, saying regarding his action: "This is an innovation, a wonderful one". Most of the companions followed his innovation, they espoused his views and supported him in every thing he did and said. 'Ali b. Abi Talib, and the ahl al-bayt, differed with him for they did not act, except [according to] the orders of their master, the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) and did not substitute anything for it. If every innovation leads to error and every error leads to the fire, what about the errors which were invented to oppose the rulings of the Prophet (S.A.W.)?

there is sheeh hadees of prophet(pbuh) that follow me and my caliphs and the caliphate will reain after 30 years ......

so it is not an innovation....

look , the blame of innovation in one matter from those , whose all doctrine is composed of innovations..... have you read such a joke before !!!!!

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Dawa_dil what is your stance on the pen and paper incident? Would like to know it.

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@healthymind

In volume 5, in "The Chapter on the Battle of Zayd b. Haritha", in "The Book of Campaigns", al-Bukhari reported on the authority of Ibn 'Umar (R) who said: "The Apostle of Allah (S.A.W.) ordered Usama b. Zayd to [lead] a group but they sought to find fault in his leadership. He said: 'If you find fault in his leadership, you [also] sought to find fault in the leadership of his father before him. By Allah, he was created for leadership and was the most beloved of men to me; and now he (Usama) is the most beloved of people to me after him'" (al-Bukhari, vol. 5, p. 84). This event has been related in detail by the historians; how they angered the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) until he cursed those who stayed behind the expedition of Usama, as he was a young general who had not reached seventeen years of age. The Prophet (S.A.W.) had put him in charge of an army in which were Abu Bakr, 'Umar, Talha, al-Zubayr, 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Awf and all the Qurayshi notables; the Prophet (S.A.W.) did not draft 'Ali b. Abi Talib, nor any of the companions who followed him ('Ali) in that army. Al-Bukhari always summarizes events and edits the hadith to protect the honour of the "pious predecessors" amongst the companions. Despite this, what he reports is sufficient for one who wishes to attain the truth.

again the same Dastan-e- Ameer Hamza......

but i will, inshallah, catch them in the same hadees .......

the companions only said this the romans *are great in no. and very experienced ... so make a **experienced general **but prophet(pbuh) turned down thier request ... so it was just a request or advice for the **betterment of muslims *... what **bad about that.....

secondly , the person who wanted the leadership in ghazva mauta **inspite of **zaid bin harsa (ra) **and asked for leadership ... do you know who was he ?????
he was **jaffar bin abi talib(ra) **but prophet(pbuh) **straight fowrdly turned down his request and made him the deputy of zaid(ra) !!!!!!
now tell me about that , i will not say a single word against the great companion , jaffar(ra) but want from you !!!!!!

Read the hadees again , i give it :

'If you find fault in his leadership, you [also] sought to find fault in the leadership of his father before him. *By Allah, he was created for leadership and was the most beloved of men to me; and now he (Usama) is the most beloved of people to me after him'" *(al-Bukhari, vol. 5, p. 84).

now tell me o shias , this is not indicating prophet(pbuh) love for non-ahle-bait !!!!!!!!!!

or you will say it is fabricated... if this is ,.. why you give it for your reference !!!!!

Tum logo nai aik ayat-e-tatheer(purity ayat) ko pakkar kar deen ka poora charkha ahle-bait kai gird ghumma diya hai .(maulana maudoodi)

Read with your eyes open that prophet(pbuh) saying zaid(ra) was the most beloved man to me and his son usama(ra) also !!!!!

were zaid(ra) and usama(ra) were from banu hashims ???? my sweet shias ????

One more interesting thing,

this dearest man, usama(ra) was among some of the sahabas of prophet(pbuh) who did not bait ali(ra) as murderes were in ali(ra) favour !!!!!