Muharram Starts!!! Some Important Questions to Ask (Exclusive)

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But brother , in quran it is written , every sin can be deleted except the Shirk... and fighting a caliph is not a shirk , am i right ?

Then brother , why you people do things like such innovation ... we also remeber the hussain(ra) for his great sacrifice but real message is to follow thier footsteps rather doing majlises etc... what do you think about .....

Why this ... because ali(ra) is the greatest of all imams !!!!!

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Differences between the Sahabas were Ijtehadi differences, and whoever is righ tin his ijtehad, he gets double reward, and who ever is wrong in his ijtehad, he gets single reward as it comes in many Ahadees of Prophet s.a.w. Differences among the Sahabas were pure and not for any worldy gains or personal whims and desires.

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Yes very true ... he is also from pure banu hashim...

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Yes it was Allah's will. I will repeat, NOTHING happens without the will of Allah.

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My "Allah's WILL" argument comes later, the argument and logic before that is of INFANCY of Islam... consider that option/argument. Apply that to your self in case of your child and then apply that to early Islam era and what would have been best for Islam in order for it to take root not just in Saudi arabian region but all over the world. Islam spread from INDIA to SPAIN during the time of first three caliphs, not Hz Ali.
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Exactly. Islam was in its early stages and there is no way the Holy Prophet (s) would leave his (s) Ummah without a clear guidance on the matter of leadership. Yes Islam did spread during the reign of the first three Caliphs. But that is not the criterion of leadership. Yazid too had great political acumen.

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IF ALLAH was not satisfied with first thre caliphs, Islam would have never spread as far as it did. The fact that Islam spread so far so fast is the one of the most important testimonies against shia lies and slander of those who brought Islam outside of arabia and introduced it to the greater world community.
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Again a fallacious conclusion from a fallacious premise. If we hold on to this logic then is Allah satisfied with Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, the imposter, since he now has such a great following?

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The idea that it was ALLAH's WILL should be ENOUGH for Muslims and it should give us enough to MOVE FORWARD and not make 1400 year old events as basis of DISRESPECT for those who are 1.) dead, 2.) were leaders of Islam that 90% of Muslims know today,** 3.)
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** Prophet Nuh's preaching extended over 900 years!! Thats a lot of time. Now how many people boarded that little boat of his? So number of followers is by no means a basis for righteousness.

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had some type of personal relations with the Prophet, 4.) fought with the Prophet and gave their money, land and made other contributions when the Prophet requested, 5.)were involved with spreading Islam at very early stages, 6.) endured pain and suffering at the hands of the Makkans, 7.) When Allah and his prophet did not have any problem with befriending them, making *relations *with them, fighting along side with them in wars, then who are you? On what basis do you disrespect Sahaba, especially the first three caliphs? What is their crime?
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Shaitan too was one of the most humble servants of Allah.

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Did Allah warn the Prophet of hyporcites and munafiks among Muslims of that time? YES OR NO?
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Yes he did.

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Logic is such a rare commodity these days.*
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yep, true

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I also agree with you ... is this not a some sort of blame to the finalility of prophet(pbuh) !!!!!! as in last ayat of quran that we have completed your deen foryou , completed our naimat on you ....

are you shias brothers and sisters not violating the ayat of quran !!!!!

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Brother ripper , Are thier no virtues and merits of 3 caliphs as you do not consider them worthy to sit on the throne of muhammad(pbuh) ?

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are their sacrifices of the whole of thier life have no significance and importance ......

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Why can't you live with that? Why must you slander and disrespect thsoe who are dead?

So, you say Allah did warn prophet about hypocrites and munafiks of that time among muslims. Good. Why didn't Allah warn him about the first three caliph if they were so bad and deceitful? Shouldn't these three be the FIRST ones that Allah would have warn if Shia allegations are true?

Not only didn't Allah WARN the Prophet about their oh so evil intentions, HE LET the PROPHET MARRY their DAUGHTERS and LET HIS DAUGHTER MARRY Usman... accept their contributions when islam needed them, trust life of the prophet during the time of Hijra..... OH MY GOD! For once, Allah and his Prophet were fooled... <<< that is the IDEA that you are pushing when you bring up these baseless allegation and accusations against first three caliphs.

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Yaar jawab to dai do....

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hz Hamza r.a. was martyred will fighting with the Kuffar. Imam Hussain a.s was surrounded by power hungry animals, deprived of water for three days, his a.s. family family brutally murdered. Even his 6 months old child was pierced by an arrow and then the ladies of his family including his sister and wives were taken to Yazeed's court fettered. The grandson of the Holy Prophet (s) who used to climb on the blessed back of the Holy Prophet (s) was murdered by the Ummah. So there is a huge difference. Had the Imam been martyred while fighting the Kuffar it would have been another story.

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brother ripper , Lets leave these discussions aside for a moment , tell me about the word Maula used for hazrat ali(ra) as asked by usman , what do you mean by that ?

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Why didn't the people of Karbala do something to save them? Why didn't the fight they evil yazid? Even if it meant losing their lives... they stood there and watched while these people were murdered. And now matams and show of love...

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uff....Im not a machine

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Hazrat Abu Bakar r.a. is the only Sahabi who is referred as a Sahabi in the Quran, when He was the Prophet s.a.w in the cave on the way to Medina. Prophet s.a.w took Hazrat Abu Bakar r.a with him.

Why did Prophet s.a.w married with Hazrat Hafsa r.a who was the daughter of Hazrat Umer r.a if he was the enemy of the Ahl e Bayat?

Why did Prophet s.a.w gave his two daughters in nikah to Hazrat Usman r.a. and said if I had 40 daughters, I would give one after the other to Hazrat Usman r.a. Hazrat Usman is the only person on the face of the earth who had 2 daughters of a Prophet in nikah.

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OK dheerai dheerai dai do :)

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Yes they were men of excellences and loved the Prophet (s). But they made a mistake of claiming the caliphate for themselves which was the exclusive right of the Imams.

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Yes ... Brother ... still you denie thier virtues ... Strange....

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Thanks you accepted thier excellence but brother did prophet(pbuh) ever said about immam that they will be after me... or even quran has a least indication about it ....

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Exactly, been trying to pass this through. :smiley:

Would any of the shia brothers here give their daughters to their enemies? Not once, but twice? :bummer:

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Is this not a "Nepotism" that prophet(pbuh) try to remain caliphood in his family only... why not about the will of all muslims to decide about this ?