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Wrong must be criticized.
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So, you say Allah did warn prophet about hypocrites and munafiks of that time among muslims. Good. Why didn't Allah warn him about the first three caliph if they were so bad and deceitful? Shouldn't these three be the FIRST ones that Allah would have warn if Shia allegations are true?
Not only didn't Allah WARN the Prophet about their oh so evil intentions, HE LET the PROPHET MARRY their DAUGHTERS and LET HIS DAUGHTER MARRY Usman... accept their contributions when islam needed them, trust life of the prophet during the time of Hijra..... OH MY GOD! For once, Allah and his Prophet were fooled... <<< that is the IDEA that you are pushing when you bring up these baseless allegation and accusations against first three caliphs.
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So what basis was there for the Prophet (s) to declare them as munafiqs when they had not commited their act of hypocracy yet? Did Allah not know about Shaitan? I guess He shudnt have created him in the first place!
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Allah made a promise with Prophet Ibrahim a.s. that He would continue to raise Imams from his a.s. progeny. Can 'nepotism' be applied to Allah as well? Or is it Allah's decision?
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unjustice is that to Impose his own family while no ansars and muhajireens can choose freely about the caliph and after ibrahim there were prophets but after prophet(pbuh) , there is no one ... so how can you justify the immamah ...
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thanx brother for your reply
1. what is the criteria of selecting Caliph according to you
2. How Allah appoints Imams? by wahi etc
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Absolutely not. Only our actions determine our superiority. But yes there are some 'rights' of the Syeds. For example a non-Syeds sadaqa is haram on Syed.
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nice knowledge for me thanx brother
3. but can you explain your example w.r.t Quran O Hadees
4. and can you plz list out some of the rights of syed
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May Allah forgive everybody.
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Ameen , may Allah allow everyone to think like you
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Which sin is greater? Fighting a companion and the Caliph of your time or the sins we commit on daily basis?
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is that sin is greater then all sins
Kia yeh itna bara guana hay key Allah is per maaf naeen ker sakta
is it equal or great then shirk
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The commemoration of Imam Hussain a.s. is important for us as he is our third Imam. He is our religion and his a.s. remembrance is implicity related to the religion.
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you have earlier said that any thing new after Hazoor PBUH will be called as invention
and now you are saying that this is our religion , isn't that contradictory
if i am getting wrong then plz expalin
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But strictly speaking the majalis are not part of 'Islam' itself. It could be termed as an 'innovation' if it is made part of the 'Shariah'.
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nice , but if you say that innovation then by going their , isn't that mean that you are disobeying Hazoor PBUH
shouldn't there be some good shias who should raise voice against this in their own community
i am wrong plz explain
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We hold all martyrs dear. But the circumstances of the Shahadat of Imam Hussain's a.s. are different than that of hz Ali's a.s.
We have majalis for hz Ali's a.s. shahadat but yes there is a difference between how we commemorate the two shahadats.
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plz explain because it appears to laymen like me that you love one more and left other
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Only Imams are the Caliphs. So that is the criterion of selecting them. The Prophet in a famous said that : "There will be 12 Caliphs after me". Those 12 Caliphs according to us are the 12 Imams a.s. Hence Allah has passed on the knowledge to the Holy Prophet (s) and this knowledge is passed on by one Imam to another.
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nice knowledge for me thanx brother
3. but can you explain your example w.r.t Quran O Hadees
4. and can you plz list out some of the rights of syed
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I will try to look for the reference for that. 'Rights' might not be appropriate word. Since Sadaqa if haraam on Syeds I could find another word to describe it.
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5. is that sin is greater then all sins
Kia yeh itna bara guana hay key Allah is per maaf naeen ker sakta
is it equal or great then shirk
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Of course its not equal to Shirk. Allah can forgive whom He wants. But 'batil' must be condemned.
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6. you have earlier said that any thing new after Hazoor PBUH will be called as invention
and now you are saying that this is our religion , isn't that contradictory
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Imamate was mentioned during the lifetime of the Prophet (s) hence it is part Islam.
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7. nice , but if you say that innovation then by going their , isn't that mean that you are disobeying Hazoor PBUH
shouldn't there be some good shias who should raise voice against this in their own community
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I fail to see how we are disobeying the Prophet (s) by remembering his (s) grandson?
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8. plz explain because it appears to laymen like me that you love one more and left other
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We love the Ahle Bayt equally. As I have said before that the circumstances of the Shahadat of Imam Hussain a.s. are different than that of other Imams a.s. Dont you believe that the martyrdom of Imam Hussain a.s is the most tragic event in the history of Islam? Nevertheless we dont 'leave out' others. We celebrate the birthday of the Prophet (s), we hold majalis for the Shahadat of hz Ali a.s. and Imam Hassan a.s.
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Ok , but does it not mean that passing knowledge from prophet(pbuh) to imams is continuation of deen as in quran that we have completed youe deen for you… and completed our blessing on you and choose islam , as a deen for you… Brother, why this continuation of knowledge … means some sort of continuation of prophethood… am i right ?
Brother , are you trying to say some superior position should be acquired by the sayyids in social and general life ?
Very true… but if someone repent for a mistake… still it must be condemed…say if some person drink wine and then repent for the rest of life … is it ok for us to latter call him sharabi and sinful man … is it right or wrong ?
can you plz. provide us with some quranic or hadees proof about the transfeering of knowledge to imams as in 12 - caliphs , if you say , just the mentioning of 12 caliphs before qiyyamah , not mention that immamh is transferring of knowledge from prophethood or it is compulsory to obey them… if some proof … plz. provide this…
By disobeying the ahadees about the mourning of prophet(pbuh) and not remembering what the prophet(pbuh) himself do on the death of his own son , ibrahim , from maria qibtia …
true…very true… it was very tragic incident… but while remembering the shahdat of ahle-bait , should it not better to keep thier message alive also… as done by imam hassan(ra) while guarding the 3 rd caliph house and making peace agreement with muavia(ra) … brother , do you think .. these acts of imam are need to be acted upon , right now ???
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Again I dont understand why such allusion to a great conspiracy such as a continuation of Prophethood? hz Ali a.s. was announced as the Maula of every believer during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (s). Hence Imamate is part of Islam.
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Brother , are you trying to say some superior position should be acquired by the sayyids in social and general life ?
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No I didnt say that.
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Very true... but if someone repent for a mistake... still it must be condemed...say if some person drink wine and then repent for the rest of life ... is it ok for us to latter call him sharabi and sinful man ... is it right or wrong?
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Yes it is wrong. But we dont condone either.
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can you plz. provide us with some quranic or hadees proof about the transfeering of knowledge to imams as in 12 - caliphs , if you say , just the mentioning of 12 caliphs before qiyyamah , not mention that immamh is transferring of knowledge from prophethood or it is compulsory to obey them... if some proof ... plz. provide this....
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The ayat of the Holy Book mentioning the purity of Ahle-Bayt, Ali a.s. being made the Master of every believer, the Holy Prophet's (s) narration to hold on to the Holy Book and his (s) Ahle bayt, hz Ali' a.s. numerous speeches where he expressed his a.s. disapprobation on snatching away of the Caliphate from him a.s. Imam Jafar Sadiq's a.s. narrations, found in Kafi, which explicitly mention the concept of Imamate.
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By disobeying the ahadees about the mourning of prophet(pbuh) and not remembering what the prophet(pbuh) himself do on the death of his own son , ibrahim , from maria qibtia ......
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Mourning the 'death' of somebody and commemorating the most pathetic incident in the history of Islam are two very different things.
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true.....very true... it was very tragic incident..... but while remembering the shahdat of ahle-bait , should it not better to keep thier message alive also... as done by imam hassan(ra) while guarding the 3 rd caliph house and making peace agreement with muavia(ra) ... brother , do you think .. these acts of imam are need to be acted upon , right now ???
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I partly agree with that. Those who love the Ahle-Bayt will strive to follow their sunnah and should understand that 'Azadari' on its own is not sufficient. But to keep the message alive one should also not deter to commemorate the incident itself. Dont you agree?
The agreement with Mauwiya was in the best interest of Islam. Remember that the Holy Prophet (s) made compacts with Jews as well.