Muharram Starts!!! Some Important Questions to Ask (Exclusive)

system · February 7, 2007, 10:09am

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Lol … now you are comparing the purity level of Bukhari with a bible… !!!

Ripper · February 7, 2007, 10:11am

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To draw your attention towards the fact that even YOUR Sahih Bukhari contains the merit of Ahle-Bayt.

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I am not saying bukhari is *100 % correct *, because to err is human ... but even the staunch critics of islam from west give it a rank not less than *90 % ... **and you say we do not care about bukhari......Ok , leave **Bukhari **aside ... I can also show you the large no. of ahadees from **muslim, nisai, tirmazi, maja , bahki , darqutni , musnad hanbal **and list goes on ... about the **virtues and merits of Abu bakr(ra) *........ !! so will you deny all of these books !!!!!
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propoganda hadiths to equate sahabis with Ahle Bayt a.s.

system · February 7, 2007, 10:15am

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Not look at the person who is saying… but look at the thing which is being said by that person (hazrat ali(ra) )

It is neceesary that if a person do very **wrong things **in life… he cannot do a single good thing **either **… If shimmer had told the hadees and if it is **confirmed **by various other narrators and according to **level **of Bukhari , **he accepted it **… what wrong with this…

By the way … Bukhari has also taken many ahadees from **shia narrators **.. then what will you say about that ???

system · February 7, 2007, 10:19am

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Tell me any from ahle sunnah waljama who is a "Munkir" of merits of ahle-bait !!!

Are ahle-bait came from the **sky **???

Ripper · February 7, 2007, 10:34am

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No, not exactly. From the cloak of the Holy Prophet (saw). One is our Maula, The Lady is the Leader of ALL women and her children are the leader of men in jannah. These were the dearest to the Prophet(saw). Any attempt to portray 'others' as dearest to the Prophet is only a lame endeavor to equate them to the Ahle-Bayt. Btw dawa_dil will there be old people in jannah?

zer01 · February 7, 2007, 10:57am

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check your on comments below. You people claim you dont deny thier merits and love them. But on the other hand you also love and show respect to thier enemies. PRAY TELL!

But wait, Are'nt the very same people, you'r mocking here, will control the matters of Jannah and were also beloved to Prophet (s). Not to mention they also fall under the category of Sahaba.

Now since you have openly mocked and shown no respect to sahaba, I am waiting khanbabax to declare you a kafir. :D

Y2K_Zaid · February 7, 2007, 1:45pm

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WoW what a great logic chief. there is no gray line between good and bad. Imam Hussain & Imam Hasan are the leaders of youth of Janat so what will be status of his murderer (Shimmer) Allah ho Akber !!
What will happen when Khatoon e Janat (bibi Fatima e Zehara daughter of prophet Muhammad e Mustafa) will ask Justice from Allah on day of judgment.

Y2K_Zaid · February 7, 2007, 2:19pm

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**(abu talib) **was present at the death of prophet(pbuh) and **candidate **of caliphate !!!!!!!!! :D

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Array bhai first correct your history Death of Khadija and of Abu Talib was in ( 10th Year of Revelation ) so how could be candiate of Khilafat.............

system · February 7, 2007, 3:21pm

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So , it is usual for the people when they do not find any solid and reasonable comment to pass and debate ... they start playing with the words ... Poor

Y2K_Zaid · February 7, 2007, 3:40pm

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So what is your point here.

system · February 7, 2007, 3:56pm

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I am not denying this fact… No doubt about there **merits and virtues … **But tell me … **Only **these were the **only dearest **to prophet(pbuh) …not others…I have given the hadees above …

1.Narrated Amr bin Al-Aas (radiallahu anhu): “The Prophet of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) deputed me to lead the army of Dat as-Salasil. I came to him and said: “Who is the most beloved person to you?’ He said: “Aa’isha” I asked “Amongst men?” He said: “Her father (Abu Bakr)…” Saheeh Al-Bukharee v.5, no.14]

Even for the sake of argument… i accept that only ahle bait were dearest… rest were not… but tell me …Rest were also not **dearer!!! , **rest were also not **dear !!! **… why you people talk about only **the Best **, why not about **better **, why not about good… Why you shias keep on insisting on the **Superlative **degree ONLY… !!!

For example , in a class of **50 **, topper is only **1 **, now tell me , rest of 49 are useless and "Farigs" …they have no significance.. they have no importance…they have no virtue..they have no respect… what the nonesense way you take the whole situation about the sahabas… !!!

Infact , out of 49 students , there may be someone whose **IQ **level is **more **than the **topper , **may be someone whose **intelligence **is **more **than the **topper **, may be anyone whose **writting **is like a pearls… no\w tell me all the rest of 49 are not students , they all are failed .. **they all are mocked by the teacher ???.. **

                           You see ,how **illlogical **and **foolish **way you look at the **whole matter of sahabas  **, i am sorry to say these words , **but this is the reality......**

system · February 7, 2007, 4:13pm

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No sunni muslim denies the merits of ahle -bait .. we all love them .... but we do not "only" **love them.. we love **all of them... Just tell me all other sahabas have no **merits and virtues ... **only **ahle bait have... NO Sir !!!!**

Just start from *ali(ra) *, a symbol of valour and knowledge ......

abu bakr, the symbol of obey.... **umar *, a symbol of politics and greatness of islam **usman *, a symbol of "hiyya" **bin waleed *, a symbol of conquest **saad bin abi waqas *, a symbol of throwing arrow **bilal *, a symbol of love for prophet ..... **zubair *, a symbol of throwing "Naiza" **talha **hands and front part became coversed with arrows in Uhad.... *abu ubaida aljarrah **killed his own father in badar..... *abdullah ibne umar **was among the very pious.... *muavia **knows the game of politics... *amr bin alaas conquered egypt... *akrama bin abu jahal **took a decisive conquest in battle Yarmook.... *huzaifa **was a prophet (pbuh) secret things man... **usman **was two noors (2 daughters of prophet(pbuh)

*and the list goes on and on....... *

So just tell me ... these all merits and virtues are of NO Significance !!!!!!!
*Why you people do not accept this little point ??? *

system · February 7, 2007, 4:17pm

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Why you people not accept this that the supreme power of Persian Empire of 2500 years was thrown over by these sahabas ... accept this truth ... why you hate this fact !!!!

system · February 7, 2007, 4:19pm

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Is Persian nationalism *is **more **important than the **religion islam *... O shia brothers and sisters .. **tell me this !!!!!!!

system · February 7, 2007, 4:24pm

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In fact you should thank *to them that the showed you the right path from praying the *"Fire" means Majoosiat **to true path of **islam... Instead that you should recognize thier greatness... you started cursing them.... How strange you are !!!!!!

system · February 7, 2007, 4:28pm

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Upto how many centuries you will remain in the "Nostalgia of Great Empire of Iran " of Jamshed, Kaikous, Dara, Bahman , Nowsherwa, Pervez, Sharyar etc !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ripper · February 7, 2007, 4:31pm

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dawa_i_dil:

1.Narrated Amr bin Al-Aas (radiallahu anhu): “The Prophet of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) deputed me to lead the army of Dat as-Salasil. I came to him and said: “Who is the most beloved person to you?' He said: “Aa'isha” I asked “Amongst men?” He said: “Her father (Abu Bakr)...” Saheeh Al-Bukharee v.5, no.14]

Even for the sake of argument... i accept that only ahle bait were dearest... rest were not.... but tell me ...Rest were also not dearer!!! , *rest were also not **dear !!! *.... why you people talk about only *the Best *, why not about *better *, why not about **good... Why you shias keep on insisting on the Superlative **degree **ONLY..... !!!!!

For example , in a class of 50 *, topper is only **1 *, now tell me , rest of **49 **are **useless and "Farigs" ...they have no significance.. they have no i*mportance...they have no **virtue..they have no **respect.... **what the nonesense way you take the whole situation about the sahabas...... !!!!!!*

You see ,how illlogical *and **foolish **way you look at the **whole matter of sahabas *, i am sorry to say these words , **but this is the reality......

you see dawa_dil the problem is that you portray with your hadiths that hz Abu Bakr and Lady Ayesha were dearest to the Prophet (s). We reject all such hadiths as fabricated. They were created to equate them to the Ahle Bayt by ummayyads. The Prophet having a wife and a companion as the dearest of all is not acceptable on any grounds. there is no reason that the prophet (s) would love them more than his own family. And dawa_dil you too have pointed out these hadiths to give the impression that hz Abu bakr was more deserving to the Caliphate than hz Ali a.s. havent you?

And I wanna know whether there will grown ups in jannah!!

system · February 7, 2007, 4:39pm

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according to my knowledge, all are young....

Y2K_Zaid · February 7, 2007, 4:53pm

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cute !! if all are young in Janat then whom Rasool Allah have been given leadership of Janat -------
Of course 'Imam Hasan & Imam Hussain'

zer01 · February 7, 2007, 5:17pm

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^ BTW, what was the age of both Imams (a.s) when Prophet (s) announced about thier leadership in Jannah. They must have done something very special to attain such a high position in Jannah. no?!

I dont think anybodys interesting what yar feelin. A lot of people are still waiting for you to show the **references from Nahjul-Blagha **about what you've posted above.

Admit it that was a lie or bring the proof.