Islamabad and others, forget opening another thread for other things. First answer the question raised here. For a fourth time: What is the reason given explicitly in Koran for declaring a "last" prophet?
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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
Islamabad and others, forget opening another thread for other things. First answer the question raised here. For a fourth time: What is the reason given explicitly in Koran for declaring a "last" prophet?
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I guess its core faith for more than 1 billion muslims! as no other prophet is needed since word of God is safe till end of times - so no need for another prophet.. its a faith of muslims and how more can we explain it to u.. we might not argue whatever faith u have.. I dont know u believe in Quran as word of God or Muhammad (PBUH) as messenger of God.. besides taht God know well what God wants or not..
But, why stop at 124,000? As perfect as God is, how can we say that any * existing scriptural guidebook can be the *perfect word of God? That is a significant limitation that you are placing on a being so perfect that we cannot even imagine the power or intelligence. As wonderful as the Quran may be, is it so perfect that it is not open to varying interpretations including those who find reason to kill in His name because of it? Is that perfect in the sense of all powerful, all knowing and all loving?
I find it hard to believe that the ultimate in divine power will leave references to slavery, stoning and wars as His final, perfect sacred writ. Is that as far as mankind will ever advance? What if we suvive another 1000 years, are we going to spiritually be at the same place where such things even exist in our pysche? That's not saying much for God's power in what is widely believed to have been His greatest creation.
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*Originally posted by Degas: *
I guess its core faith for more than 1 billion muslims! as no other prophet is needed since word of God is safe till end of times - so no need for another prophet.. its a faith of muslims and how more can we explain it to u.. we might not argue whatever faith u have.. I dont know u believe in Quran as word of God or Muhammad (PBUH) as messenger of God.. besides taht God know well what God wants or not..
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even if one believes in Allah and his messenger... do they not have the right to question to understand? and u say that the Quran is the word of Mohammad.. but isnt it the word of Allah? Mohammad was just a messenger just like other messengers before?
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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
^ One more time!!!! Does the quran say Usury or does it say interest?
Riba-is that usury or interest?
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riba is not the same as interest, riba is usury. I am no scholar but the basic intent of disallowing usury was to prevent ppl from taking financial advantage of others in need. General interst based financing, trade, banking is not quite the same as usury.
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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
even if one believes in Allah and his messenger... do they not have the right to question to understand? and u say that the Quran is the word of Mohammad.. but isnt it the word of Allah? Mohammad was just a messenger just like other messengers before?
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sur one does.. but read ealiar replies.. as quran is valid till end of times so no new guidence is required is the core muslim faith.. new messenger means the message was changed with time.. and can u please point out where I said Quran is the word of Muhammad (PBUH)?
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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
All Muslim friends (I hope):
My question is and has been very specific and very limited. Does the Koran state a reason why Muhamad has to be the last prophet?.
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The reason given is that today the faith has been completed. As a non muslim you may disagree which you are welcome to but that is what we believe. Just like others believe whether someone was a son of god or whether somone was promised some land :) Isn;t it all based on faith
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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Fraudz, I agree with everything you said. I do not mean to imply that followerers of Islam cannot be successful, progressive and bask in the Glory of God. Of course they can. I know there is great guidance and wisdom in the Quran. The roadblocks are man made, not Quranic.
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agreed, the roadblocks used faith and an inability of people to ask questions and to extrapolate guidance. Thus when someone used faith and belief in a way to gain power and not allow people to question anything by declaring them heathens if they do, there is a problem. some shrewd minds picked up on it and used that to hoodwink ppl. That even happens today..ppl like OBL use religion as some tool to fool the masses yet his cronies were drinking in a nudie joint on 9/10..see what I mean.
as Degas noted earlier, there is a concept of "ijtehaad" in islaam which basically means that every so often the religious text would have to be examined in terms of the current issues and challenges and guidance sought based on the principles noted. The exact answeers may not be there but the basic principles could be used.
Additionally, in my view as well as many others there are statements which are not to be taken literally, and as a general guide to adapt and apply to our own lives. When some so called defenders of the faith closed the doors to ijtehaad, it was a great loss and the practise of ijtehaad should be re-started.
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
riba is not the same as interest, riba is usury. I am no scholar but the basic intent of disallowing usury was to prevent ppl from taking financial advantage of others in need. General interst based financing, trade, banking is not quite the same as usury.
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Voh toh Theek hai Fraudz yaar. The why is there a need for Islamic finance or banking models?
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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
The why is there a need for Islamic finance or banking models?
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In my view, there is none, because the very basic premise which is being used to say that there is a need for al; alternate system, is not proven. Its the assessment of some ppl, but there is no real discussion and solution to it.
I look at what is touted as the islamic financing for homes etc, and the mechanics of it are no different from any other mortgage, the wordings are changed from interest to profit or fees etc but that is it.
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
The reason given is that today the faith has been completed. As a non muslim you may disagree which you are welcome to but that is what we believe. Just like others believe whether someone was a son of god or whether somone was promised some land :) Isn;t it all based on faith
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Degas, Faudia:
Reason given by whom? Does the Koran state explicitly that the faith has been completed? (not challenging, asking for facts).
You honestly believe that derivatives are complex?
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Degas, Faudia:
Reason given by whom? Does the Koran state explicitly that the faith has been completed? (not challenging, asking for facts).
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Tom I believe it does say that. I can try to find the verse and post here.
Allah says: "Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Islam as the religion for you"
[Soorah Maida (5),ayah 3]
Degas... i apologise... i misinterpreted one of ur sentences...
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
Allah says: "Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Islam as the religion for you"
[Soorah Maida (5),ayah 3]
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I've talked with someone before about this passage. In your interpretation does the context have any bearing on its scope and importance? It is buried in the dietary laws sandwiched between the prohibition of dividing meat through a game of chance and the permission to eat forbidden foods during famine. I think it can be intrepreted as having more to do with enforcement of the dietary laws than with the declaration of the Quran as the final word that will ever be delivered by God.
Seminole, Here is what is written in one of the comentaries for this verse.
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*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
Seminole, Here is what is written in one of the comentaries for this verse.
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**"the use of lawful and good food forms one of the very important basis of good morals which in turn provide a pedestal for spiritual progress" **
That seems like quite a stretch. Especially considering these dietary laws talk only of meat and the way it was processed in the 7th century. These rules do not affect modern man as we buy our meat at Winn Dixie and have no idea how the animal died.
Modern nutritionists argue that red meat isn't good for the human body. There is nothing here about the nutritional value of raw vegetables, fruit and a balanced diet consisting of low saturated fats and cholesteral. A booklet from the FDA has more perfect dietary laws than this passage from the Quran.