What do you have to say about this? I came across this while searching for a verse interpretation. Was prophet Muhammad really exempted from the restriction of 4 wives?
According to WikiIslam, Muhammad had over 25 wives and 6 concubines. I know this is an anti-Islamic site (for the most part), but there’s a hint of truth in this article.
P.S. I don’t mean to piss anybody off, I would like some answers as most scholars don’t like to talk about his marriages- let alone his concubines.
This is the first time I have heard the "25 wives" theory (I knew of the nawasib claim of Imam Hasan (as) marrying many women). An important point to remember is that the Prophet (saww) remained married to his first wife Khadija (sa) until her departure from this world. At that time the Prophet (saww) was 50 years of age. He married the remainder of his wives afterwards and clearly the motive of these marriages was not what is painted by some Western critics of our Prophet (saww). Most of the wives of the Prophet (saww) were widowed and aged. Several of them had children by their former husbands.
What is quite clear in history is that Prophet Mohammad (saww) was offered by his enemies- in return for abandoning his mission- the most beautiful women of Arabia along with other types of wealth. But he was a man known for his piety and high morality.
And Quran says:
[68:4] And most surely you conform (yourself) to sublime morality.
You will find in the Quran and the books of history, the Quraysh accused Prophet Mohammad (saww) of being a magician, madman, being under the spell and so on, but as far as the lowly desires of this world are concerned, his character was understood to be of above that even by worst of his critics at that time.
^well, who are we to speculate and judge? A marriage is a contract between two people and I have not seen any evidence of any of his wife complaining or being unhappy.
And If somebody is suggesting that these marriages were based on lust and passion, then these claims totally contradict historic facts.
in another thread you said you believe in the Quran only not the hadith. And here you are posting articles from islamophobic websites …
so you reject the Prophetic sayings and believe WikiIslam has some “hint of truth”. If you’re really confused, again I suggest you take some time out and pray for guidance. Sorry but your posts just seem like many of the Islamophobe blogs out there.
in another thread you said you believe in the Quran only not the hadith. And here you are posting articles from islamophobic websites ....
so you reject the Prophetic sayings and believe WikiIslam has some "hint of truth". If you're really confused, again I suggest you take some time out and pray for guidance. Sorry but your posts just seem like many of the Islamophobe blogs out there.
I never said I believed in the Quran. There's a hint of truth in it because Quran allows only 4 wives, he had far more than just 4.
and please, I am anything but a Islamophobe. If I were, I wouldn't have civilized "discussions" with other Muslims on this board. I would be far more chaotic and disrespectful. Remember, I am not here to shake your faith.
^well, who are we to speculate and judge? A marriage is a contract between two people and I have not seen any evidence of any of his wife complaining or being unhappy.
And If somebody is suggesting that these marriages were based on lust and passion, then these claims totally contradict historic facts.
Yes, we would never know that. BUT when Muhammad married Aisha, she was playing with her dolls and she fell very sick when she was taken to Muhammad's house. Also I believe another wife of his died after 8 months of marriage, I can't remember her name. I would have to google it.
MUhammad fell in love with Zaynab bint Jahsh when he saw her "scantily clad," Zayd ibn Harithah divorced his wife so Muhammad could marry her. What do you call this if this isn't lust? Islamic scholars conveniently forget this part of the story and emphasize how Zayd had already asked Muhammad to divorce Zaynab.
MUhammad fell in love with Zaynab bint Jahsh when he saw her "scantily clad," Zayd ibn Harithah divorced his wife so Muhammad could marry her. What do you call this if this isn't lust? Islamic scholars conveniently forget this part of the story and emphasize how Zayd had already asked Muhammad to divorce Zaynab.
"One day Muhammad went out looking for Zaid (Mohammed's adopted son). Now there was a covering of hair cloth over the doorway, but the wind had lifted the covering so that the doorway was uncovered. Zaynab was in her chamber, undressed, and admiration for her entered the heart of the Prophet". (The History of al-Tabari, vol. 8, p. 4)
Narrated by Yunis, narrated by Ibn Wahab, narrated by Ibn Zaid who said, "The prophet -pbuh- had married Zaid son of Haritha to his cousin Zainab daughter of Jahsh. One day the prophet -pbuh- went seeking Zaid in his house, whose door had a curtain made of hair. The wind blew the curtain and the prophet saw Zainab in her room unclothed and he admired her in his heart. When Zainab realized that the prophet desired her SHE BEGAN TO HATE ZAID. English translation of al-Tabari's Arabic Commentary on Sura 33:37
Then conveniently came the revelation:
Sura 33:36-38 in the Qur’an says, "It is not for any believer, man or woman, when God and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in the affair. Whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest error. When you said to him whom Allah had blessed and you had favoured, ‘Keep your wife to yourself, and fear Allah,’ and you were concealing within yourself what Allah should reveal, fearing other men; and Allah has better right for you to fear him. So when Zaid had accomplished what he would of her, then We gave her in marriage to you, so that there should not be any fault in the believers, touching the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished what they would of them; and Allah’s commandment must be performed. There is no fault in the prophet, touching what Allah had ordained for him."
Then conveniently came the revelation:
Sura 33:36-38 in the Qur’an says, "It is not for any believer, man or woman, when God and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in the affair. Whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest error. When you said to him whom Allah had blessed and you had favoured, ‘Keep your wife to yourself, and fear Allah,’ and you were concealing within yourself what Allah should reveal, fearing other men; and Allah has better right for you to fear him. So when Zaid had accomplished what he would of her, then We gave her in marriage to you, so that there should not be any fault in the believers, touching the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished what they would of them; and Allah’s commandment must be performed. There is no fault in the prophet, touching what Allah had ordained for him."
So basically you answered your own question, it was all ordained, so what exactly is the issue?
^Quran allows upto 4 wives, Muhammad married a lot more women. Zainab was most likely his 6th wife. I need a Quran Ayah that says he was exempted from this restriction of 4 wives. I know the revelations that conveniently came down right before he married Aisha and Zainab, the rest I am not sure.
I never said I believed in the Quran. There's a hint of truth in it because Quran allows only 4 wives, he had far more than just 4.
and please, I am anything by a Islamophobe. If I were, I wouldn't have civilized "discussions" with other Muslims on this board. I would be far more chatotic and disrespectful. Remember, I am not here to shake your faith.
The 4 wives limit is only at any one time. A man may keep at most 4 at any one time. This is not the same as saying he can only marry four times......
^Quran allows upto 4 wives, Muhammad married a lot more women. Zainab was most likely his 6th wife. I need a Quran Ayah that says he was exempted from this restriction of 4 wives. I know the revelations that conveniently came down right before he married Aisha and Zainab, the rest I am not sure.
You need a Quran Ayah? Why?
You believe Muhammed when he tells you that Quran is God's word, but you do not believe him when he tells you that God Okayed all his marriages?
Think about it, all Islam is, is Muhammad's word. You either take his word for everything and anything and hence believe in Islam or you don't.
You cannot pick and choose about him being right about some things and being wrong about the others.
You believe:
He is a prophet.
God created the universe for him.
He has no faults and he does not lie, he is perfect.
Angels talked to him and Quran was recited to him by angels.
He split the moon in two.
He went to the Heavens on a horse and time stood still during that time.
You are willing to take his word for all these fantastical things, yet you have a problem taking his word about his marriages?
And if you are not willing to take his word about the above mentioned things, then you cannot be a Muslim. If you cannot believe in Muhammad's (pbuh) words, then you cannot believe what he tells us about God/Allah, You cannot believe the Quran, you cannot believe the Hadiths, you cannot even logically believe then that Islam is even a legit religion. Because all Islam is, is Muhammad's (pbuh) word.
So you have to ask yourself if you are willing to take Muhammed's (pbuh) about everything or not?
You need a Quran Ayah? Why?
You believe Muhammed when he tells you that Quran is God's word, but you do not believe him when he tells you that God Okayed all his marriages?
Think about it, all Islam is, is Muhammad's word. You either take his word for everything and anything and hence believe in Islam or you don't.
You cannot pick and choose about him being right about some things and being wrong about the others.
You believe:
He is a prophet.
God created the universe for him.
He has no faults and he does not lie, he is perfect.
Angels talked to him and Quran was recited to him by angels.
He split the moon in two.
He went to the Heavens on a horse and time stood still during that time.
You are willing to take his word for all these fantastical things, yet you have a problem taking his word about his marriages?
And if you are not willing to take his word about the above mentioned things, then you cannot be a Muslim. If you cannot believe in Muhammad's (pbuh) words, then you cannot believe what he tells us about God/Allah, You cannot believe the Quran, you cannot believe the Hadiths, you cannot even logically believe then that Islam is even a legit religion. Because all Islam is, is Muhammad's (pbuh) word.
So you have to ask yourself if you are willing to take Muhammed's (pbuh) about everything or not?
Thank you! That's exactly what it is..Finally, somebody said it. And no, I am not muslim.
good so finally now you can stop worrying about Islam and Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims and womens rights in Islam and Veil and etc, etc, etc and move on with your life. Islam should not be anymore of your concern.
Am I right?
Thank you! That's exactly what it is..Finally, somebody said it. And no, I am not muslim.