Muhammad Aamir I Forgive You

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guys, here is the million dollar question...WHAT IS AAMIR'S RIGHT AGE....given Pakistani players track record, he may be already 22...and he will be 26 by the time he gets back....that wud be tough...i doubt he is 19 today....razaq, afridi, waqar, aaqib, salman, younis khan everyone lied ..many accpeted publicly that they lied...afridi said everyone does that!

SO HOW OLD IS AAMIR?

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paaji, you and your obsession with age rather than performance. Aamir is already 36.

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sir jee there is a correlation...now i agree that it does not make difference when you are in 20s and 30s (real age) but once you are above 36 (true age) it does make difference..just imagine if dravid was in pak with age shown 35 instead of 39 and performing bad, he could have easily dragged for a year or two and take a toll on the team as well.....that is where I have the biggest problem....

in short, if you are a reasonably good player and it is not easy to drop you and you have listed yourself 3-4 years younger, you will inevitably struggle in last 2 years and will take the team down with you...afridi is on that path...he is struggling big time with his fitness, batting and now bowling as well but he is only 32! so he still have at least 3 years of cricket left in him!!!

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I hope he never plays cricket for Pakistan again

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kiyon jee.....inshalaah he will play for pak again...he has been punished for his mistake....

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I know he has done wrong, but i wud love to know if he did it for money or was he in his mind returning favor ?

2nd I agree with punishing him, but 5 yrs ban is way over the limit, Justice shld be same for everyone if he is getting 5 yrs today then iIhope any english australian or indian player caught tomorrow will serve same amount of time.
Keeping in my mind what they did to Warne, Mark waugh its unfair that Paki players had to spend time in jail. Now that Aamir has spent his time in jail 5 yrs ban shld be reduced.

What can Salman say ? he is still denying that he was part of spot fixing, atleast Aamir had guts to come in public and admit that No balls were intentional. I wud Beleive Aamir over Salman just coz he admitted his mistake and Salman still didnt.

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I think misbah didn't lie about his age. That's why in books he looks old yet he seems to be in same age group as younis and afridi

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interesting read by saad shafqat

Saad Shafqat: No sympathy for Amir | Opinion | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

No sympathy for Amir

           **All the talk of his naivety doesn't wash: Mohammad Amir must pay for his crime, but he must also be given a shot at redemption  **

** Saad Shafqat
March 29, 2012

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ga were ever made into a Bollywood film, you can be sure that the centrepiece will be a hushed scene in which Salman Butt coerces Mohammad Amir. In his interview to Michael Atherton, Amir spoke of being duped in a hotel parking lot, but for Bollywood a more appropriate setting would perhaps be a dark alley. There would have to be a build-up, with sinister camera angles and a creepy musical score, as Butt takes pains to get himself and Amir well away from earshot. Then a whispered conversation would ensue.
The scriptwriter would have to decide how much guilt to ascribe to Amir. In this he or she would hardly be alone, for it is something the entire cricket world has been struggling with. After his confession and conviction, there is no longer any doubt that Amir committed the act. But was he a reluctant and naïve pawn in Butt’s manipulative hands or a willing participant eager to cash in?
Ambiguous characters often make for great cinema, so the scriptwriter might get away with infusing Amir’s character with tantalising hints of both postures. Yet in real life this would be most unsatisfying. Where Butt carries a perpetual smirk on his face and Mohammad Asif comes across as a bit of a seasoned jailbird, Amir’s youth, talent and innocent looks appeal to the nurturing streak within us. We want a precise assessment of his guilt and intentions. We want to read his mind. If he did indeed rush into the spot-fixing scam with excitement and glee and the smell of money overpowering his senses, then we’ll spare him no mercy. But we want to be absolutely certain before we take that step.
People keep pointing to Amir’s humble background as an explanation for why he might have succumbed to the temptation of quick riches. But corruption is hardly a monopoly of the poor; the wealthy fall prey to it just as much. There are also suggestions that Amir somehow did not appreciate the scale and significance of his act, that the bowling of two deliberate no-balls in exchange for money did not strike him as being particularly criminal. This is laughable, because by the time of the ill-fated Lord’s Test, Amir had already been in the thick of international cricket for over a year, having played 13 Tests, 15 ODIs, and 18 T20 internationals.
In fact, like all international players, Amir had been explicitly communicated the ICC’s code of conduct by the PCB, and been lectured on it at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore. He had played under the captaincy of Younis Khan, a scrupulously honest role model. If he still did not realise that deliberate underperformance was horribly wrong, it shows callous arrogance, insensitivity and cold-heartedness, not naivety or innocence.
There is no question that Butt was the mastermind. He could have picked others for accomplices - and may well have tried - but in all likelihood he solicited Amir because he sensed the right of kind of permissive ingredients in Amir’s character. To understand the psyche of these spot-fixers, it helps to refer to the context of Pakistani society, which is deeply permeated with a culture of corruption. “Innocent is he who does not get caught,” go the lyrics of a socially conscious song that is a favourite of local FM stations. The subtext is that there are many visible examples of people who bend the rules, get rewarded, and get away with it. This is probably why Butt’s approach appeared attractive and Amir did not rebuff him.

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To understand the psyche of the spot-fixers, it helps to refer to the context of Pakistani society, which is deeply permeated with a culture of corruption. “Innocent is he who does not get caught,” go the lyrics of a popular song

Amir's mindset is also betrayed by the fact that he passed up  opportunities to come clean. He could have confessed right away, called a  friend in the media, spoken to someone in the family, opened up to his  boyhood coach and mentor. He did none of that. Even during the ICC  hearings held in Doha early last year, he chose to plead innocent. He  lied well and with conviction.

If we are fair and do not allow ourselves to be charmed by youthful looks and boyish manners, we will not shed any tears for Amir. We should appreciate that he does not deserve sympathy and concessions any more than do Butt or Asif. There should be no lessening of his sentence, no shortcut for his return to international cricket. The value of deterrence in this scenario cannot be underestimated. No stone should be left unturned to ensure that would-be spot-fixers are not seduced by the possibility that they might get away with it.
At the same time, cricket as a sport owes it to Amir to keep the door open for his rehabilitation. In psychiatric medicine there is a fine tradition of drug addicts becoming addiction counsellors after getting treatment. This is an ideal parallel for Amir, in that he could become a crusading champion in the fight against cricket corruption. The ICC, the PCB, and the cricket establishment generally would do well to embrace him as such. Mohammad Amir the confessed spot-fixer, who was once a celebrated heir to Pakistan’s fast-bowling dynasty, now going around warning young talent to stay clean: his credibility will be unmatched.
Let us therefore forget about hastening Amir’s return to the bowling crease, for he must be fully punished if the gains from the spot-fixing convictions are to have a lasting impact. But we must give him this reforming opportunity to contribute to the health, welfare and future of the game. Amir had ambitions of joining the ranks of Pakistan’s grand masters, but this alternative legacy will be no less important.

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I am prepared to give Amir another chance (once he's served out his punishment) but I am not convinced that he bowled those no-balls merely as a favour to somebody (stated motive) and not for money (No sane person will believe it, Sorry, it won't wash!)

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^ Right on. He is still not being 100% honest.

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oh yaar lets hang him, how dare he have done this and even though he is forthcoming and admitted his guilt and apologise but we are all so pious that we should not tolerate such thing. after all things like these have never happened before or after. Talk about a blood thirsty mob. If he had not apologised or had shown arrogance like the other twos than yes I would have said let him stay out but all this is now baying for more blood.

You people can speculate that he is not telling the truth but have you got any proof, if not arent you people equally guilty?

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Pakistan’s former bowling great Wasim Akram Thursday said that Mohammad Aamer deserves to be forgiven and allowed back into international cricket as he has served ban for spot-fixing.

While talking to ARY News, the former Pakistan cricket captain said that Aamer was a young talented fast bowler, and he should be given relaxation so that he could make a comeback in international cricket.

Akram said that Aamer has served his punishment for the mistake he committed in the past and allow the youngster another chance.

He has done his time and once he serves his ban he should be allowed back into international cricket as he was one of the most talented bowlers, said Akram.

The 19-year-old Amir was released from a British jail after serving half of his six-month sentence for spot-fixing at the Lord’s Test against England in 2010.

It is expected that Mohammad Aamer will be given relaxation and he will resume his international cricket career in 2013.

Aamer should be forgiven, says Wasim,3/30/2012 11:07:09 PM

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I didn't say hang him or deport him to Antartica or something! If you've read my posts on this thread before, I am actually for having him back ONCE he has completed his punishment. I also want him to cooperate fully and expose everyone in this business he knows - players, administration, bookies.. anyone and everyone. He will be only 23 when he can come back and he can still go on and become a cricketing legend.

Regarding this interview there were points when I felt he was being fully honest and was truly regretting what happened.. and there were points in that interview when I felt that he was not being fully honest and was still trying to twist the story to make himself look like an innocent innocent child who got brainwashed by evil seniors. As GA mentioned, I simply dont buy that he bowled the noballs as a FAVOUR when he knew somethign fishy was going on.. but he did the FAVOUR anyway because omg these guys were being SO NICE to him. That does not sound legit to me. Of course this is only my speculation/conclusion based on what I've seen and read about this story.. from the full cellphone transcripts, to transcripts of the court hearings, to this interview.

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Also can we please stop saying that a player deserves special treatment because he was very special on the field and talented? That has nothing to do with this.

That won't be fair to players who perhaps dont have the same natural ability or talent but have worked hard for years and years and played legit and honest cricket and worked their way up the ranks into international cricket.. vs a naturally talented player who went from gully cricket to international cricket in 2 years.

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He is not the first person to cheat in sports. Here is the US so many athletes are caught cheating. They are punished and they continue on playing. Why should he be treated differently? Let him serve his ban then he should be able to play again.

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Spot on.

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sharabee that is the point you are missing...amir did not bowl these no balls as a favor to his seniors thinking these guys are being so nice to him....he did them under immense pressure....per aamir claims he was threatened by this corrupt lot to the extent that they told him that his messages to ali had ended up with ICC and that ICC is considering an action against him.........mazahr told him that he is trying to suppress the issue and then he asked aamir for the favor...so aamir knew that these no balls are fishy but he was under pressure...

now all of this could be aamir's fabrication but what we do have in possession is aamir's phone record which proves that when IIC folks came in, aaamir immediately texted ali with a request to delete their prior conversation...that suggests that aamir story has some legs....and he was indeed under impression that ICC had come to investigate about ali issue and not the No balls....

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Wasim backing a spot fixer, Who else is surprised?

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bhai he has mentioned several times in the interview that he did it cuz they were being so nice to him... but you are right there was also pressure.

its just my gut feeling watching that interview.. most of the time he seemed legit and honest.. but at points.. as i mentioned.. it still felt like he was trying to portray himself as too much of a seedha saadha larka.. didnt seem legit.

anyway, no point beating a dead horse. i just want him to cooperate and expose other folks involved in this mess..