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it is silly not to use a certain name unless it has a bad meaning....
i mean saddam was a common name when saddam hussain was initially seen as a hero....
but now i dont think anyone will name his son as saddam....
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AFAIK apart from the sons of Ali (A.S) in Karbala by the name of Othaman and abu Bakr
two other companions of Hussain (A.S)by the names of Omer bin Janada and Omer bin Zabiah AzZabiyee were amongst the martyrs at karbala[they were not sons of Ali (A.S)]
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So-atleast we all agree that there were certain personlities in shiaism named Umer, abu bakr usman , and muawiya.
Strange- there are many muslims who have choosen these names, so many abu bakrs and few muawiyas too
QUite a few of them - it to me means that these persons were ordinary muslims having nothing to do with hatred which is common aginst sahbah 
today
To me this is the best possible justification.
And lol- in my opinion the correct shia justification to this is that these people were doing taqiyyah -correct me if i am wrong-
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^^ i dont get what your point is.
yeah the imams named their kids the same names as sahabas
yeah some shias still may name kids muawiyah or umer etc.
and some posters agreed to that.
and yeah there is displeasure with selected sahabas among the shias.....every1 knows that y do u keep bringing that up?
there are pro-sunni shias...sunni hating shias, fanatical shias, shias-by-name only shias...just like different tolerance level sunnis....
a friend refused to buy nusrat fateh ali's cassette since it had the word "ALI" in the qawwali and he said his dad got pissed off when he heard it....ordinary muslim?
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I think a name choosen for a child reflects the religious beliefs of the parent
Names like Umer,abubakr and uthman are of great sahaba who were early converts to Islam and their services to Islam are too numerous to be listed in a single post.
I Don't understand why people would name their kids after Muawiya ibn AbuSufyan considering his role in Islamic history
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bao, do u mean mauwiyah ibn Abu sufiyan was the narrator? or some random muawiyah who was a rawi?
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Bao Bihari, the itensity of flames between Shias and Sunnis (other than war-time) wasn't as much culturally engraved as it is now, IMO.
BTW, I don't think that people who named their children after sahaba karaam was just because of "culture"... How many children were named Yazeed afterwards?
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I don't think that Yazeed is considered a sahabh.
By the way Hazrat Ali did name his sons Abu Bakar, Uzman, and Umer. (Hazrat Ali had only 3 sons from Hazrat fatima: Hssan, Hussain, and Mohsin, all the rest were from his other wives).
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could not agree more. Every sane person would chose a name for his child which has good meanings. As I said before I personally dont have any problem with names like Abo Baker (actually its a kuniyat), omer or usman, but when it comes to name Mauwiyah, sorry I would never give this name to my child. Not because it is the name of person who fought against the Amir Al Momaneen of his time. But because of its meanings.
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What does the word Moawiyah mean?
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Wasn't there eventually peace between Muawiyah and Ali.
Didn't Caliph Ali actually ended up fighting the kharijites (who were against his peace deal with Muawiyah)?
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^^ peace deal? they actually assasinated Ali in sajdah
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Yes there was but read about the circumstances in which it happened
it would be wrong to suggest that Moawiyah ever repented for his actions
The sunni point of view
http://www.al-islami.com/islam/shia_sunni_division_1.php
some quotes from this site
THE CLIMAX OF THE BATTLE
The martyrdom of Hadrat 'Ammar bin Yasir, however, proved that Hadrat Ali (R.A.) was right because of the following Hadith mentioned in Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi and other authentic books of Hadith: According to this Hadith the Holy Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi we Salaam) said, “'Ammar bin Yasir would be killed by a group of rebels.” Since Hadrat 'Ammar (R.A.) was fighting in favour of Hadrat Ali, and was killed by the army of Hadrat Amir Mu’awiyah (R.A.), Hadrat Ali (R.A.) was in the right and his opponents were the rebels
]For seven days the battle continued in this way. A new battalion used to fight from each side under a new commander. On the 8th day the whole army of Hadrat Ali (R.A.) clashed with that of Amir Mu’awiyah (R.A.). A fierce battle was fought but with no end in sight. According to most of the historians, Hadrat 'Ammar bin Yasir was martyred on that day. However no result came out till the evening. The death of Hadrat 'Ammar bin Yasir was a shock to Hadrat Ali (R.A.). The battle went on the whole night. At one time Hadrat Ali reached the tent of Hadrat Mu’awiyah and challenged him to fight personally with him instead of shedding Muslim blood, the winner would be the Khalifah. But Hadrat Mu’awiyah (R.A.)did not accept the challenge because Hadrat Ali was a noted warrior of Arabia
On the second day of the battle Amir Mu’awiyah (R.A.) was about to lose the battle. But, Amir Mu’awiyah was a shrewd person and had been the governor of Syria from Hadrat Umar’s time. He had with him Hadrat Amr bin 'As (R.A.), the conqueror of Egypt and a recognised statesman of Arabia. Seeing the impending defeat he consulted Hadrat 'Amr bin 'As (R.A.) who advised Amir Mu’awiyah to give orders to the troops of the front ranks to fasten the Holy Qur’an to their lances as a sign that war would cease and that the decision would be referred to the Holy Book
Seeing copies of the Holy Qur’an on lances, Hadrat Ali (R.A.) recognised it as a clever move of the enemy but a good many men of his army did not share his view and stopped fighting. Being helpless he ordered his troops to stop fighting
[THE AGREEMENT]
[After the agreement Hadrat Amr bin 'As asked Hadrat Abu Musa Ash’ari to make it public by announcing it in the mosque before the Muslims. Hadrat Abu Musa (R.A.) announced: “We have agreed that neither Ali nor Mu’awiyah would be considered as the Khalifah. You may elect any other man you think fit.” After this Hadrat Amr bin 'As (R.A.) stood up and said, “I do not consider Ali fit for the Khilafat, but in my opinion Mu’awiyah is fit for it.” The statement of Hadrat Amr not only showed the split of opinion between the Arbitrators but also meant one sided decision according to which Hadrat Ali (R.A.) was supposed to lose his power but not Amir Mu’awiyah (R.A.).[
[Hearing the statement of Amr ibn As (R.A.) there was a big uproar. The result of the arbitration was a mere confusion. In this way the arbitration proved to be a futile and the hopes of peace were gone. Both the parties left the place in great disgust. The acceptance of such arbitration, really proved to be disastrous to Ali. Hadrat Ali lost the case before it opened.[
[When Ali (R.A.)heard the result of the arbitration he said, "The judgement is not based upon the Holy Qur’an and the Sunnah which was the condition for arbitration. Therefore it cannot be accepted
Opinion of some Sunnis Ulemas of Moawiyah’s Rule
Maududis view of Muawiyah I :
“Kingship’s foundation began with this change. Mu’awiya (ra) was not appointed with the consensus of the Muslims at large as was the case with his predecessors, if the Muslims were not happy with them they would have not taken the positions, despite this Mu’awiya wanted to be the Khalifa, he fought for this position, the Muslims were not pleased with his appointment. The people did not appoint him, he became by force and when he became Khalifa people had no other choice but to give him bay’a. If the people did not give him baya, they would not only lose their positions / ranks but also would have also lost their lives and would have been catastrophic for the system, people would rather give baya than confront this consequence. That is why after Imam Hasan (ra) stepped down the other Sahaba joined him so as to avoid the risk of civil War amongst Muslims. Mu’awiya was well aware of this strategy”. (citing Al Bidayah wa-Nihayah by Ibn Kathir, vol 8, page 132]) Khilafat wa Mulukiyyat, chapter 5, pages 158-159
Shia views of Muawiyah’s Fighting and cursing Ali(A.S) with sunni references
http://al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter5a/1.html
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Wasn't Caliph Ali killed by a jew?
I thought Muawiyah was one of the sahaba that was given the tidings of paradise???
Very sad that sahabas' couldn't figure it out amicabilly and had to fight.. oh well, life and its faults!!!
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hazrat ali's (ra) son hazrat hassan (ra) signed a treaty with hazrat muaewiyah (ra) and forsake his right to caliphate in his favor....
and Ali (ra) was not killed by Muaweyah (ra)....
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A Kharijite killed him Kharijites were extremists who would chop off their own hands if they stole dates from a tree in enemy's territory.On the other hand they declared all those who disagreed with them as apostates and had them killed.
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Not True …
never heard that
Talha(R.A) and Zubair(R.A) were part of the ten companions given those assurance of paradise.Their Actions and Moawiyas are totally different even though they also fought against Ali(A.S).Just before the battle Ali(A.S) meet with Zubair(R.A) and reminded him of the prediction made by Prophet(PBUH) that one day both of them will fight and Zubair(R.A) will be on the wrong side.Hearing this Zubair(R.A) was immensely saddened as he remembered his prediction and was leaving the battlefield when he was assasinated by a agent of Marwan by the name of Jernoeze
here is the prediction
http://www.muslim-answers.org/proofs09.htm
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the man, a companions of Ali (ra), saw Talha (ra) walking away from the battle, and followed hin and killed him…
he went ot Ali (ra) to tell him the news and be rewarded for the act…
when Ali (ra) heard that he has killed Talha (ra), he said “i give the news of burning in hell for killing Talha (ra)”…
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Yes that is one accepted version of the story other is that Marwan fatally wounded Talha(R.A) with an arrow
but Muawiyah was definatly not one of ten blessed companions
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^
no Muaweyah (rA) was not among the ahara mubashara....
infact he was from the group called "tulaqaaa", who accepted Islam after the conquest of Makkah....