Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
The Muslim population of three areas (Pakistan+Bangladesh+India) would have constituted 32.5% of Hindu population of present India.
FARID
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
The Muslim population of three areas (Pakistan+Bangladesh+India) would have constituted 32.5% of Hindu population of present India.
FARID
As they were before Pakistan's creation. And we would have been fighting for an independent country today.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
The Muslim population of three areas (Pakistan+Bangladesh+India) would have constituted 32.5% of Hindu population of present India.
FARID
Thank you Farid, now I hope Haleem understands this...
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do some research for me...........and also let me know who ruled for more than 1000 years in sub-continent?
Off-course Muslims did! But in modern democracy it was not possisble for Muslims to rule India anymore or even have any major stake over there.
Personally I believe that Muslims of the minority provinces should not have taken part in the Pakistan movement and they should have not migrated to Pakistan in 1947. Only the people living in majority muslims provinces should have opted for Pakistan.
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^ That is what Jinnah wanted too in reality... And the fact that it did not happen caused alot of problems for the infant state.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^ That is what Jinnah wanted too in reality... And the fact that it did not happen caused alot of problems for the infant state.
I do not think so he wanted so. He got stood Muslims league candidates from all over India and the people of minority provinces also voted for Pakistan. His own roots were from Gujrat, India and Karachi.
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Muslims league won 425 out of 496 seats for Muslims.
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Its not about just the looks. When I hear about someone from America, I naturally assume the person is christian. It I hear about someone from Russia, I naturally assume he is communist or athiest. Similarly most people from India are thought of as Hindu, some of the more informed people might ask a question further; Are you Hindu or Muslim? When some knows you are a Pakistani at least they are not mistaken about your religion, they would know you are a muslim because Pakistan is labeled as a muslim country whereas India is not.
BTW most russians are very religious orthodox christians. and the second biggest religion in russia after christianity is islam........there are almost 25 million muslims in russia.
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BTW most russians are very religious orthodox christians. and the second biggest religion in russia after christianity is islam
Yes Christmas on January 5.
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yeah its jan 7 actually i think becoz they use some old roman calender..
anyway sorry for the digression but you ppl go on plz continue your argument.... ;P
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Spock,
"Thank you Farid, now I hope Haleem understands this..."
Oops I made slight mistake in calculation, the percentage should be around 48%.
of the Hindu population. Sorry for the mistake.
FARID
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What about the whole of population including other minorities.
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Why there are more muslims in india than Pakistan?
If pupose of Pakistan's creation was for Islamic state then why it doesn't have Islamic Shariah in it?
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Or Arab.
Perceptions change only through education and good example. The majority of an entity always promotes its perception. India always has beeb hinud majority and any perception about it has that ingrained about it.
Take an example from East Pakistan now Bangladesh. When Pakistani talk about them they hardly refer to East Pakistani for them even before Bangaldesh became independent, its always Bengali.
If I ask you show me Shia countries in the muslim block, the first guess you will make is Iran and then Iraq because thats what the majority forms there and thats how they are perceived.
Nowadays, if you say Pakistani, the first thing foreigners perceive is from a terrorism promoting country because thats what the perception has been built up to be. Similarly when Pakistan was being created it was derived from the perception of the muslims in the sub-continent to have a separate muslim homeland. Or one where they do not have to struggle with Hindu hegemony. I have never met anyone from that generation who told me they were thinking about a theocratic Pakistan.
Most arabs aren't brown like pakistanis....anyway.....majority of muslims in pakistan dont make Pakistan Islamic country............its the islamic law that makes it islamic or unislamic.........Pakistan is a secular country with little bit mutilated islamic laws.
Pakistan isn't made for Islam nor for secularism, it is made to separate muslims as it has been proven in 1971.
1947....muslims wanted their separate country. 1971...bengalis wanted their own country. 2007.....Balauch Tribes are fighting for their separate country.
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^ chanda, you were saying something about muslim majority in the sub-continent?
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read post 151 again.
And Haleem is a male name. It is the first name of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyah.
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yes, thats only my perception.
Mostar95, what I said was based on my personal experiences and perception. And I still believe that pakistanis respect jinnah so much that they heavily ignore his secular mindset.
What Jinnah did for us could not have been done by any Mullah or these so-called religious leaders of today who lack real education and suck big time. So we should n't be so thankless. I am all for moderation rather than secularism or too much religiosity. Whenever and wherever in history people have ruled in the name of Islam or Sharia, there has been chaos, bloodshed and violation of basic human rights because what we get in the end is not real Islam but politicised Islam. Examples being Khomeini's bloody revolution and Talibanisation of Afghanistan
As for Jinnah's secular views, let's not judge him on that not least because religion is a personal matter between him and Allah.
It's an open fact that Allama Iqbal used to drink alcohol but do we ever hear a word against him so why only pick on Jinnah?
I am a practical muslim and if you ask me, what Jinnah did and achieved in his life (creation of a new state, huqooq al ibaad) far outweighs anything that even the late Maulana Modoodi did (wrote Tafseer, great work indeed, huqooq Allah).
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BTW most russians are very religious orthodox christians. and the second biggest religion in russia after christianity is islam........there are almost 25 million muslims in russia.
Yes this may be true however as i am discussing perceptions here these are marginal facts that still do not change the perception of Russia being communist yet. Maybe in the future when such facts are widespread or an infrastructure in Russia exists to reflect these realities internationally then it might change perceptions as well.
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What Jinnah did for us could not have been done by any Mullah or these so-called religious leaders of today who lack real education and suck big time. So we should n't be so thankless. I am all for moderation rather than secularism or too much religiosity. Whenever and wherever in history people have ruled in the name of Islam or Sharia, there has been chaos because what we get in the end is not real Islam but politicised Islam. Examples being Khomeini's bloody revolution and Talibanisation of Afghanistan
Mullahs= Shaykh Yaqubi, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Imam Zaid Shakir, .........Mufti Taqi Usmani and alike. These are all of today's Scholars.
Ever heard of them?
As for Jinnah's secular views, let's not judge him on that not least because personal matter between him and Allah
As for Mullahs, let's not judge them because its a personal metter between them and Allah.
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Most arabs aren't brown like pakistanis....anyway.....majority of muslims in pakistan dont make Pakistan Islamic country............its the islamic law that makes it islamic or unislamic.........Pakistan is a secular country with little bit mutilated islamic laws. Pakistan isn't made for Islam nor for secularism, it is made to separate muslims as it has been proven in 1971. 1947....muslims wanted their separate country. 1971...bengalis wanted their own country. 2007.....Balauch Tribes are fighting for their separate country.
The majority from Saudi Arabia, Gulf, Iraq, Egypt and Morroco are mild complexioned. Those from Palestine, Turkey, Jordon, Lebanon and Syria are fair complexioned.
Yes I agree that Pakistan is not an Islamic country per say but it is a muslim country by virtue of the majority of its inhabitants. This is what I had stated, it was not created to enforce a theological state but a homeland for muslims apart from hindus in the sub-continent. Sort of like what Palestinians are going through, they want a separate homeland for Palestinians and I doubt that will come along with a theological Palestine.
The problem of Baluch tribes was bound to happen since Pakistan showcases 4-5 distinct cultures and if they are not given equal rights and opportunities such discord was inevitable. Since the inception of Pakistan NWFP and Baluchistan have been sidelined in terms of development compared to Sindh and Punjab.
I don't know if NWFP has much of any resources other than mullahs but Baluchistan has a lot of mineral wealth and there uprising will be quashed one way or the other for the national interests of Pakistan.