Re: Mr. Jinnah’s presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
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Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
hareem, had it not been for Jinnah, those muslims in pakistan would be subjected to what alot of unfortunate muslims in India were subjected to. Agar aap ko itna shoq hai tu jayo India move ho jayo if you cant practice your religion in Pakistan, I am sure they will welcome you with open arms. What power are you talking about, did you forget the sorry state of Muslims in the sub-continent before partition? It was only through a man like Jinnah that they rose up to do something right, i.e. get their own homeland.
Oh thats very wise of you...........this is not the way to end the arguments like go and live in india. thats very childish.
Did you even goto school? Who in the world told you Muslims were 'majority' in the sub-continent? Pehley thori parhai kar len madam, phir debate karney ki kooshish karen, HINDUS were the majority and MUSLIMS were a minority in the united sub-continent.
Proof?
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Hareem, Farid and BinAadam:
If you take a look at India today you will see how separatist movements are existing. They all want to struggle for a separate state. If Pakistan had not been formed 50 years ago muslims of India today would be one of those separatist movements and labeled terrorists and crushed or subjugated. Whatever we got back then was a blessing. What we made out of it may not be one.
ok i agree.
If Jinnah was in the wrong then the muslim masses of India would not have followed him. If a separate homeland had not been formed muslim struggle today for identity in India would be similar to some extent to the same end African people have met in USA. They have rights now but they no longer have an Identity other than American. Muslims of India wanted to be distinguished by being muslim and be able to project their identity as muslim and belonging to a muslim land not a secular India or to Hindustan.
So you think that Pakistan is a muslim land and only pakistanis are being identified as muslims?
Its true that India is a secular country and so is Pakistan.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^There is no Islamic country in the world by that standard.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^There is no Islamic country in the world by that standard.
when did i say there is?
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Oh thats very wise of you...........this is not the way to end the arguments like go and live in india. thats very childish.
Proof?
You shouldnt even be here talking about Jinnah if you dont even know Hindus were a LARGE Majority in the sub-continent. I mean talk about stupidity.
Are you educated? I dont need to give 'Proof' for something so obvious! Muslims were a large religious minority in the sub-continent, and if you do not even know that, go back and do a little basic reading before you try to discuss such things here with stalwarts such as yours truly :D
And this large minority swept the elections in the areas where the league prevailed for their agenda to have a seperate homeland. So whatever Jinnah did was completely democratic, and we will always love him and have the utmost respect.
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You shouldnt even be here talking about Jinnah if you dont even know Hindus were a LARGE Majority in the sub-continent. I mean talk about stupidity.
Are you educated? I dont need to give 'Proof' for something so obvious! Muslims were a large religious minority in the sub-continent, and if you do not even know that, go back and do a little basic reading before you try to discuss such things here with stalwarts such as yours truly :D
And this large minority swept the elections in the areas where the league prevailed for their agenda to have a seperate homeland. So whatever Jinnah did was completely democratic, and we will always love him and have the utmost respect.
do some research for me...........and also let me know who ruled for more than 1000 years in sub-continent?
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She is well mannered mashaAllah, if she goes to a madrasah, you should give this credit to them.
its alright........i dont mind silly comments from the teen-agers.
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So you think that Pakistan is a muslim land and only pakistanis are being identified as muslims? Its true that India is a secular country and so is Pakistan.
It may not be a textbook country but it is what it is. Muslims form its majority and when a Pakistani is identified anywhere in the world it is for most part assumed they are muslim. If an Indian is identified anywhere in the world the first guess anyone takes is that you are hindu. Infact many people in the west cannot differentiate between Hindu religionist and often think Hindu is a nationality.
No matter how secular Pakistani laws become it will still be recognized as a country where muslims reside and form the majority and its culture.
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^doesnt make a difference...does it?
many people in west recognize pakistanis as indians.
what if an indian muslim with muslim beard and cap on his head and a pakistani without a beard or cap......will they still be recognized them as a hindu and as a muslim?
if yes then this is unfair with the indian muslims.........
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hareem, now you are proving to be a dunce... When you hear about 'Muslims' ruling the sub-continent, firstly you arent talking about the ENTIRE sub-continent, just the northern part, there are parts in the south as well as the east that never had Muslim rule, for instance the huge part ruled by the maharashtaraz and vijayanagaries.
Also, it is a well known fact that HINDUS formed a large majority in the sub-continent, though I have heard some mollahs talk about how 'jinnah crippled the indian muslim strength', but you probably misunderstood them by thinking they were saying muslims formed a 'majority'. Next time you hear something from mau-lanna sahib, please care to open up a pakistan studies book to read the basics to make sure its factually correct.
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^doesnt make a difference...does it? many people in west recognize pakistanis as indians.
what if an indian muslim with muslim beard and cap on his head and a pakistani without a beard or cap......will they still be recognized them as a hindu and as a muslim?
if yes then this is unfair with the indian muslims.........
Its not about just the looks. When I hear about someone from America, I naturally assume the person is christian. It I hear about someone from Russia, I naturally assume he is communist or athiest. Similarly most people from India are thought of as Hindu, some of the more informed people might ask a question further; Are you Hindu or Muslim? When some knows you are a Pakistani at least they are not mistaken about your religion, they would know you are a muslim because Pakistan is labeled as a muslim country whereas India is not.
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hareem, now you are proving to be a dunce... When you hear about 'Muslims' ruling the sub-continent, firstly you arent talking about the ENTIRE sub-continent, just the northern part, there are parts in the south as well as the east that never had Muslim rule, for instance the huge part ruled by the maharashtaraz and vijayanagaries.
Also, it is a well known fact that HINDUS formed a large majority in the sub-continent, though I have heard some mollahs talk about how 'jinnah crippled the indian muslim strength', but you probably misunderstood them by thinking they were saying muslims formed a 'majority'. Next time you hear something from mau-lanna sahib, please care to open up a pakistan studies book to read the basics to make sure its factually correct.
you are just talking without a proof........im not going to answer you.
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Its not about just the looks. When I hear about someone from America, I naturally assume the person is christian. It I hear about someone from Russia, I naturally assume he is communist or athiest. Similarly most people from India are thought of as Hindu, some of the more informed people might ask a question further; Are you Hindu or Muslim? When some knows you are a Pakistani at least they are not mistaken about your religion, they would know you are a muslim because Pakistan is labeled as a muslim country whereas India is not.
really i dont do that.........i dont assume people's religion based on their nationality or even their look.
that way you can assume an indian muslim a hindu and a pakistani ahmadi a muslim.
thats not fair at all...........................i know this is a silly question but do you assume all arabs as muslims?
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really i dont do that.........i dont assume people's religion based on their nationality or even their look.
that way you can assume an indian muslim a hindu and a pakistani ahmadi a muslim.
thats not fair at all...........................i know this is a silly question but do you assume all arabs as muslims?
Hareem people think in patterns and they choose at first the one they are most familiar with or one that experience has changed.
I am not talking about how you view people but in general that is how it goes.
No one is talking about fairness its about general perception.
To answer your question, at first I used to but now after moving around with Arabs for quite some time I know not all are muslims. However not all Arab muslims dress up like muslim.
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^hmmmmm.......there is also a general perception that every brown person is an indian.
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hareem, now you are proving to be a dunce... When you hear about 'Muslims' ruling the sub-continent, firstly you arent talking about the ENTIRE sub-continent, just the northern part, there are parts in the south as well as the east that never had Muslim rule, for instance the huge part ruled by the maharashtaraz and vijayanagaries.
Also, it is a well known fact that HINDUS formed a large majority in the sub-continent, though I have heard some mollahs talk about how 'jinnah crippled the indian muslim strength', but you probably misunderstood them by thinking they were saying muslims formed a 'majority'. Next time you hear something from mau-lanna sahib, please care to open up a pakistan studies book to read the basics to make sure its factually correct.
WRONG! Aurangzeb mohiduddin's, to whose credit many a degenerates can still call themselves muslims, rule extended all the way to South India... he effectively neutralized the Marhatas and Sikhs, the ancestoral group of most pakistanis and who still hold an emotional and familial bond and attachement to them...and that is why Aurangzeb is so hated by the degenerates on both sides of the border...
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^ yeah and that ultimately led to the downfall since he or others after him could not consolidate their rule... Plus its not about like or dislike, I was giving haleem a basic lesson, he/she does not even know that the hindus were in majority in the united sub-continent, and is trying to discuss a topic he/she has no clue about.
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you are just talking without a proof........im not going to answer you.
err, so you seriously think hindus were a 'minority' in the united sub-continent? lol go wiki 'islam in india' please lol
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^hmmmmm.......there is also a general perception that every brown person is an indian.
Or Arab.
Perceptions change only through education and good example. The majority of an entity always promotes its perception. India always has beeb hinud majority and any perception about it has that ingrained about it.
Take an example from East Pakistan now Bangladesh. When Pakistani talk about them they hardly refer to East Pakistani for them even before Bangaldesh became independent, its always Bengali.
If I ask you show me Shia countries in the muslim block, the first guess you will make is Iran and then Iraq because thats what the majority forms there and thats how they are perceived.
Nowadays, if you say Pakistani, the first thing foreigners perceive is from a terrorism promoting country because thats what the perception has been built up to be. Similarly when Pakistan was being created it was derived from the perception of the muslims in the sub-continent to have a separate muslim homeland. Or one where they do not have to struggle with Hindu hegemony. I have never met anyone from that generation who told me they were thinking about a theocratic Pakistan.