Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
oh i didn't know that muslims are separate from hindus due to religion...........thanks to Jinnah for bringing this information to us.
i dont know why hindus and muslims were living together for thousand of years.
Anyway what did Jinnah do when he realised we are separate from non muslims?
Hareem, Bin Adam and Farid
Let it go, your arguments against Jinnah are lame.
Pakistan represented the aspirations of Muslims of India, including those who lived in Hindu majority areas. Muslims across subcontinent voted for Pakistan. They rejected the opinions of people like Moulana Abul Kalam Azad.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Comparison is a flimsy excuse. All it proves is that a islamic republic was much needed at the time. Nobody in right mind would want to be on defensive foot when they can make rules to their heart's desire.
Let me tell you one more FACT that in 1947 and before, Jinnah knew that India was going to be a SECULAR state. No?
He still wanted one more SECULAR state called Pakistan, lol.
And in 1947, Jinnah was not able to prove that India was to be a Bad Secular State and Pakistan to be a Good Secular State. Or was he?
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^ can't believe we are having this discussion 60 years after pakistan was made.
Ok
ok
in 1947 it was just an idea-- people HAD TO guess what its gonna be like living in pakistan.
BUT
we have seen pakistan for 60 years. And we love it. Don't we??
we have built a strong country with some serious back bone.
We have felt proud of pakistan millions of times. haven't we??
AND NOW some poopoo heads trying to tell us we should re-evaluate pakistan.
Well
NO SIR What ever happened back then don't matter to me and to most of pakistanis.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
She is well mannered mashaAllah, if she goes to a madrasah, you should give this credit to them.
yeah right, at first these matOO lovers are a little afraid of saying anything against jinnah like haleem said he/she didnt like jinnah because all he said was ppl to work... i guess he/she loves kaam-chori!
admit it, all the halwa-lovers or anti-pakistanis cant even dent the stature of this great man and his rep, keep trying bozos!
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
When he realized that he DIVIDED Muslims into 3 entitites (Paki, Indie, Bengali Muslims) so that they can COMPETE well with Hindus.
In fact he did a JOKE, he left MAJORITY of Muslims in India and HUNDREDS of miles away from West Pakistan.
Majority of Muslims of India, hundreds of miles away from Pakistan, voted for Pakistan.
Do you think Rasoolullah saw divided muslims between Makkah and Madinah when he migrated there?
If Muslims wanted a separate state it did not have to be theocratic. Muslimswere discriminated against in India bcoz of being Muslims. Even if tey were practicing. Muslims of Chechneya and Bosnia have struggled for a separate state, but never decided their states to be theocratic. I haven't seen clergy opposing their cause, rather they termed it Jihad and endorsed it.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Iconoclast
“Do you think Rasoolullah saw divided muslims between Makkah and Madinah when he migrated there?”
Wrong analogy. Prophet was forced out from Makkah due to continuous persecution by Qraish. In fact later on he joined Muslims from Madina to Makka and made them one community. Where as Quaid did the opposite, he divided the Muslims in three parts. Don’t Compare Prophet Mohammad PBUH with Quaid.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Iconoclast
“Do you think Rasoolullah saw divided muslims between Makkah and Madinah when he migrated there?”
Wrong analogy. Prophet was forced out from Makkah due to continuous persecution by Qraish. In fact later on he joined Muslims from Madina to Makka and made them one community. Where as Quaid did the opposite, he divided the Muslims in three parts. Don’t Compare Prophet Mohammad PBUH with Quaid.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
yeah right, at first these matOO lovers are a little afraid of saying anything against jinnah like haleem said he/she didnt like jinnah because all he said was ppl to work... i guess he/she loves kaam-chori!
that was a joke..........the reason why i dont like jinnah is becoz he separated muslims.
admit it, all the halwa-lovers or anti-pakistanis cant even dent the stature of this great man and his rep, keep trying bozos!
i can see the language and wisdom of Jinnah's followers and lovers right here.........on this forum.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
hareem, had it not been for Jinnah, those muslims in pakistan would be subjected to what alot of unfortunate muslims in India were subjected to. Agar aap ko itna shoq hai tu jayo India move ho jayo if you cant practice your religion in Pakistan, I am sure they will welcome you with open arms. What power are you talking about, did you forget the sorry state of Muslims in the sub-continent before partition? It was only through a man like Jinnah that they rose up to do something right, i.e. get their own homeland.
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Muslims were the majority in Sub-Continent........they were the rulers if they could have stayed together. Dont you think?
Did you even goto school? Who in the world told you Muslims were 'majority' in the sub-continent? Pehley thori parhai kar len madam, phir debate karney ki kooshish karen, HINDUS were the majority and MUSLIMS were a minority in the united sub-continent.
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What kind of arguments are these? Were Moghal emperors who ruled almost 400 years over India were they Hindus?
Combining all three muslim portions would have enormous effect on present India. Rest assure Muslims would have never left behind and turned to average Muslim. Let me askyou a question. What Paki Muslims have achieved so far? Can you give only one such example, which is recognized by the world?
Even in present situation their president is a Muslim who is also a nuclear scientist.
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Iconoclost,
"Jinnah's Muslim league won the 1946 elections with landslide victory all over subcontinent on manifesto of creation of Pakistan."
Because he played with the emotions of Muslims by exploiting Islamic religion, though he himself was not even Muslim. For argument sake if your statement is to be considered as valid, then what happened in 1971, when same Muslim majority who voted for Pakistan prefered to get out from Pakistan and form a new country? Don't be emotional and think for a second? I still remeber in 1971 when major portion of Pakistan separated, Basha Khan father of Khan Abdul Wali Khan, roared that Quaid's Pakistan is Finished . No one at that time dared to respond to him perhaps it was fact then, it is a fact now.
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Hareem, Farid and BinAadam:
If you take a look at India today you will see how separatist movements are existing. They all want to struggle for a separate state. If Pakistan had not been formed 50 years ago muslims of India today would be one of those separatist movements and labeled terrorists and crushed or subjugated. Whatever we got back then was a blessing. What we made out of it may not be one.
If Jinnah was in the wrong then the muslim masses of India would not have followed him. If a separate homeland had not been formed muslim struggle today for identity in India would be similar to some extent to the same end African people have met in USA. They have rights now but they no longer have an Identity other than American. Muslims of India wanted to be distinguished by being muslim and be able to project their identity as muslim and belonging to a muslim land not a secular India or to Hindustan.