Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, a visionary politician and ex president of Congress party
Abul Kalaam Azad!
The Mulla who kept sitting in congress benches while Congresis continued their anti-muslim policies. It was perhaps about him Allama Iqbal said
Mulla ko hai Hind meiN sajdey ki Ijazat
Nadaan Ye samjhta hai key Islam hai Azad
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
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Some Mullas did oppose the creation of Pakistan, but when they saw Pakistan came into existence what they would do? Kept opposing its creation?
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Thats exactly what you are doing.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Jinnah was a Hyppocrite who fooled Muslims of India in the name of Islam. I don't care what religious political parties have / had their views about Jinnah, I don't even have any support to such stupid parties which think that they can implement Shari'ah using the present political system of Pakistan. In my Pakistan, there is no place for Western Democracy, as Western Democracy means if the vast majority of a nation is Jaahil (ignorant) or they have been made Jaahils, they will elect a Jaahil like themselves to rule over them.
interesting.........i cant see the purpose of pakistan's creation except as a seed of nationalism in Barre-Saghir and separating muslims from muslims.
But again Allah is the best of planners.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Iconoclast,
Alama Iqbal also said,
Cheen-o-Arab hamara, Hindustan Hamara
Muslim hamwatan hain sara jehan Hamara
FARID
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Allama Iqbal was "Musawwir-e-Pakistan" if you remember.
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interesting.........i cant see the purpose of pakistan's creation except as a seed of nationalism in Barre-Saghir and separating muslims from muslims.
'Nationalism' was what 'Indian NATIONAL Congress' was promoting. It was Indian Nationalism.
On the other hand, Quaid believed that Muslims are separate from Hindus due to religion.
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Iconoclast,
Yes I remember. I also remeber that Indian national enthem starts with Alama's
"Saray Jahan say Achha Hindustan Hamara"
I think Iqbal is also a national poet of India; he is more respected in India than in Pakistan. More over he died well before 1947, so "Musawar" thing is controversial and debatable as his national poetry is more focused on India. I haven't seen word Pakistan in any of his poetry.
FARID
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^ Yeah he is so much respected that they changed the anthem to Banday Matarum. People change their views about several things. You and I both are entitled to admit an error in our current thinking. This doesn't mean we are incapable of forming a sound and intelligent opinion. Iqbal along with Quaid was initially in favour of Hindu and Muslim united in India. However Quaid after joing the congress saw it to be futile for muslims right and Iqbal was the one who went back to England and convinced Quaid of Pakistan being an achievable goal. I think that is proof enough that Allama changed his views about formation of Pakistan. As for Iqbal being more respected in India, i have an opinion about that. Pakistanis accept Iqbal's poetry all of it to be his work. When he was professing a united india and later when he was urging muslims to wake up to the reality of opressed life in india. Where as Indians mostly focus on his early work and rest is fed to the dogs. How is that for respect?
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'Nationalism' was what 'Indian NATIONAL Congress' was promoting. It was Indian Nationalism. On the other hand, Quaid believed that Muslims are separate from Hindus due to religion.
And that is where Jinnah contradicted, if he believed in Secularism, then that could be achieved in undivided India as well, becuase in a secular state you can practise whatever at home. If he used the term Two Nation Theory upon religion then certainly he Fooled Muslims of India on religion.
By the way we are not discussing Aazad or Iqbal, come back to the topic bhai lohg.
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^Do you believe India is practising secularism?
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^Do you believe India is practising secularism?
Which country is practising secularism if not India then?
Turkey which is the most intolerant to Hijaab and other individual practises of Muslims.
Britain and the rest of Europe which are getting more and more intolerant to the individual practises of their Muslim communities?
America and its allies to invade and attack Muslims all round the world and propagating intolerance towards Muslims by their world wide media?
Re: Mr. Jinnah’s presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Exactly! :k:
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Talibans are not a role model to an Islamic State, our role model is Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam and the model state is Madinah before us. Seculars use the excuse of Talibans to oppose Muhammad's Shar'ah.
Agreed. Madinah is a prototype for us in terms of Islamic principles. Some seculars might use it as you have stated however for me it is an example of how un-educated Mullahs can create a hell for you out of our beautiful and peaceful religious values. Educated people are better off doing the same task.
In an Islamic State, non Muslim minorities have their rights as they had under Muhammad, Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Uthman etc. They are our role models.
Yes they do and you are correct with the examples.
Jinnah was a Hyppocrite who fooled Muslims of India in the name of Islam. I don't care what religious political parties have / had their views about Jinnah, I don't even have any support to such stupid parties which think that they can implement Shari'ah using the present political system of Pakistan. In my Pakistan, there is no place for Western Democracy, as Western Democracy means if the vast majority of a nation is Jaahil (ignorant) or they have been made Jaahils, they will elect a Jaahil like themselves to rule over them.
Let me put it right for you. Muslims were the fools who could not make the best of the opportunity provided by Jinnah. Jinnah achieved what he set out to achieve. Our previous and current generations are the ones who have not been able to capitalize on what Jinnah left for them.
Every democracy has a charter behind it so jahils cannot always have their way. And regardless of whether we have a democratic system or not or even mullah style shariah, if jahils are in majority they will still have their way. If someone can establish a state modeled over what the Prophet SAW did then I am in support for it.
The system is formed by the kind of people who live in it.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Iconoclast,
Yes I remember. I also remeber that Indian national enthem starts with Alama's
"Saray Jahan say Achha Hindustan Hamara"
I think Iqbal is also a national poet of India; he is more respected in India than in Pakistan. More over he died well before 1947, so "Musawar" thing is controversial and debatable as his national poetry is more focused on India. I haven't seen word Pakistan in any of his poetry.
FARID
Again you are being selective in presenting his opinions. Allama Iqbal asked in 1931 in ML conference that muslim majority provinces be merged into a state.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
Which country is practising secularism if not India then? Turkey which is the most intolerant to Hijaab and other individual practises of Muslims. Britain and the rest of Europe which are getting more and more intolerant to the individual practises of their Muslim communities? America and its allies to invade and attack Muslims all round the world and propagating intolerance towards Muslims by their world wide media?
Comparison is a flimsy excuse. All it proves is that a islamic republic was much needed at the time. Nobody in right mind would want to be on defensive foot when they can make rules to their heart's desire.
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'Nationalism' was what 'Indian NATIONAL Congress' was promoting. It was Indian Nationalism. On the other hand, Quaid believed that Muslims are separate from Hindus due to religion.
oh i didn't know that muslims are separate from hindus due to religion...........thanks to Jinnah for bringing this information to us.
i dont know why hindus and muslims were living together for thousand of years.
Anyway what did Jinnah do when he realised we are separate from non muslims?
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hareeem Jinnah was probably 234203490235 times smarter than you so dont even try...
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^try what? why are you all of a sudden becoming sensitive?
did i say something bad about about jinnah?........did i call him an idiot like you lot say all the time to others in your posts?
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This is what I wrote "They also say idiotic stuff about him at mosques during sermons and its funny how the mollah tollahs are "
now i dont know what madrassah you went to but I wasnt calling u an idiot, dodo-brain! lol
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This is what I wrote "They also say idiotic stuff about him at mosques during sermons and its funny how the mollah tollahs are "
now i dont know what madrassah you went to but I wasnt calling u an idiot, dodo-brain! lol
just stick to the topic. ok