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^ well said. :k:
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Thanks to social media, MQM stands exposed.
The party has got only two options now, keep living in denials and lose the support they have or try to reform themselves (I don't think they will do this). It's only so long that one can control others through use of force. It's twenty first century!!!
Brother, I think you are living in denial. Do not think that people in Karachi wears bangles that they would get dictated by one party. Most Karachiets think before voting and can ditch a party anytime if they feel unsatisfied. No guns or threat can force anyone in Karachi. If you see 100s of thousand attending MQM gatherings then accept that it is genuine gatherings of willing participants, not forced gatherings. Same with votes, though it is possible that many MQM voters may not vote thinking that MQM would win anyhow, but if call would be made then many would turn up.
In 1972, PPP got 3 out of 7 seats. JI got 2 out of 7 and what I remember, 2 out of 7 went to JUP.
In this election PPP got 1 out of 20 seats. JI and JUP lost all supports they ever had in Karachi.
And yes, if MQM start disappointing voters then they could ditch MQM too, but unfortunately all parties in past disappointed Karachi and I believe MQM did do lot of works and still doing lot of work at lowest level.
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Pakistan's financial hub should not be hostage to any one political party. The interest of the nation lies in a neutral city that either allows all political parties equal stake in it, or is apolitical in nature.
We need local bodies elections with greater powers transferred at union council level. That should improve things a lot.
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Pakistan's financial hub should not be hostage to any one political party. The interest of the nation lies in a neutral city that either allows all political parties equal stake in it, or is apolitical in nature.
What about Pakistan largest province? Should Punjab be allowed to become hostage to one party?
How can one province be allowed to rule whole Pakistan just on their own strength? .... Punjab has (147 + 2) = 149 out of 272 MNA seats ... and to rule Pakistan party needs only 137 seats.
If Punjab would become hostage to one party than other provinces would feel occupied and exploited, and then independence movement would start (as happened in 1971) ... So, for security and interest of Pakistan, Punjab should not be allowed to become hostage to one party, right?
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I'm not going to argue with you just for the sake of argument. You have read what I wrote.
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What about Pakistan largest province? Should that be hostage to one party?
How can one province be allowed to rule whole Pakistan just on their own strength (have 147 + 2 = 149 out of 272 MNA seats ... and to rule Pakistan party needs only 137 seats.
Most of us would like to see Punjab divided into smaller provinces for administrative reasons. As of now, the population of Punjab as a proportion of total population is reflected in NA seats. However, all the province gets equal representation in senate (which has to pass all laws made by national assembly).
And by hostage, it means controlling the city by force. Altaf bhai's comments (the most fav one of his being "I am facing difficulty keeping my "workers" in control, otherwise we would see bloodshed in city"), reflect that.
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Most of us would like to see Punjab divided into smaller provinces for administrative reasons. As of now, the population of Punjab as a proportion of total population is reflected in NA seats. However, all the province gets equal representation in senate (which has to pass all laws made by national assembly).
Well, same is true with all areas. One should leave voters to decide who rules where, and to imply election mandate by saying that an area or city should not be allowed to become hostage is wrong statement. Such statements (that Pakistan corrupt judges of SC used) can easily break Pakistan into pieces.
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Most of us would like to see Punjab divided into smaller provinces for administrative reasons. As of now, the population of Punjab as a proportion of total population is reflected in NA seats. However, all the province gets equal representation in senate (which has to pass all laws made by national assembly).
And by hostage, it means controlling the city by force. Altaf bhai's comments (the most fav one of his being "I am facing difficulty keeping my "workers" in control, otherwise we would see bloodshed in city"), reflect that.
The problem is that more provinces would mean division of senate seats too, and hence the proportion of provinces now forming punjab would have more representation.
Suppose hazara and seraiki provinces are formed, the 100 seats of senate would be divided into 6 provinces hence the representation of all provinces would go down to 16 %, and punjab + seraiki + hazara areas would be represented by around 50 % of senate.
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Well, same is true with all areas. One should leave voters to decide who rules where, and to imply election mandate by saying that an area or city should not be allowed to become hostage is wrong statement. Such statements (that Pakistan corrupt judges of SC used) can easily break Pakistan into pieces.
It maybe your wishful thinking that Pakistan could break apart by challenging armed thugs, even the residents of the city do not believe in that farce. So please save it.
When the chief of major political party calls with threats of bloodshed, when the public is simply doing a sit-in and asking for a vote recount, then yes that is considered a Hostage Situation on a city-scale. Why don't you just state where you stand on that, instead of side-stepping it. I already said MQM has the potential to do even more good for the poor of the city. It's the party head I'm talking about.
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It maybe your wishful thinking that Pakistan could break apart by challenging armed thugs, even the residents of the city do not believe in that farce. So please save it.
When the chief of major political party calls with threats of bloodshed, when the public is simply doing a sit-in and asking for a vote recount, then yes that is considered a Hostage Situation on a city-scale. Why don't you just state where you stand on that, instead of side-stepping it. I already said MQM has the potential to do even more good for the poor of the city. It's the party head I'm talking about.
Well, what I wrote is fact that Pakistan is going through.
In 1971 Pakistan got divided into two ... not by Pakistanis as they were only dissatisfied politically, but by Indian forces who took advantage of the situation and moved in.
IN 2008, many in interior Sindh was demanding breakup of Pakistan, but Zardari wanting to rule whole of Pakistan played positive role in containing the resentment. Baluchistan is already asking for independence. Now, if government would push Karachi to wall, then worse could happen. Don't think that Pakistan or Pakistani army is in position to fight political war of some political party's desire of domination, what army did in past, as keeping people under occupation is now thing of past, especially with so many international powers looking at their own interest in all such situations.
I think, best solution for Pakistan is that, government should work not to alienate section of population and respect people where they are living. I think instead of accusing one party or another of rigging, Pakistan should start using fool-proof electronic voting system and fair representations practices, ideally, proportional representation, or constitutional representation where each constituency having approximately same number of voters all over Pakistan.
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bla bla bla
New players on Karachi ground and game is same and old HOW to control Karachi and biggest problem is MQM (^ー゜) PTI made a wrost decision to play this game with JI and Talibans. I'm seeing much wrost happening in Karachi in future. And blame all goes this time on PTI( praying ke Esa na ho)
What is "bla bla bla"?
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Not just that. Karachiites predominantly are HIGHLY patriotic. They residents are from all parts of Pakistan. Pakistan was always and still is similar to the middleeast for the people from rest of Pakistan. People come here to find jobs and “rizq”.
Another example of patriotism of Karachiites is the zeal on 14th of August. Anyone can go and look at the streets, nooks and crannies, on 14th August. Except for the divisive politically driven neighborhoods, you will almost always see a fervor and zeal to celebrate Pakistan’s independence.
Karachi = 
Karachi does not equal MQM
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Yes MQM facing new challenge (^_^)
PTI with help of Taliban and JI trying to control Karachi.
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Taliban of MQM need to be removed first before any other strong arming can even be thought of.
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^ mere ek din ki computer ki mar ho niralo:cb: ye iPhone ne bohat lazy kar diya:chupki:
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This same arrogance is predominant in MQM, its fascist leadership and unfortunately its followers. Sh*t always rolls downhill << as the americans say. Crude words but some truth to it.
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MQM never handover city to Taliban and their supporters(^_^)
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Well, what I wrote is fact that Pakistan is going through.
In 1971 Pakistan got divided into two ... not by Pakistanis as they were only dissatisfied politically, but by Indian forces who took advantage of the situation and moved in.
IN 2008, many in interior Sindh was demanding breakup of Pakistan, but Zardari wanting to rule whole of Pakistan played positive role in containing the resentment. Baluchistan is already asking for independence. Now, if government would push Karachi to wall, then worse could happen. Don't think that Pakistan or Pakistani army is in position to fight political war of some political party's desire of domination, what army did in past, as keeping people under occupation is now thing of past, especially with so many international powers looking at their own interest in all such situations.
I think, best solution for Pakistan is that, government should work not to alienate section of population and respect people where they are living. I think instead of accusing one party or another of rigging, Pakistan should start using fool-proof electronic voting system and fair representations practices, ideally, proportional representation, or constitutional representation where each constituency having approximately same number of voters all over Pakistan.
You are not doing justice to the question asked.
Here: Where do you stand on the heinous statements made by Altaf Hussain, the supposed party-head of MQM?
Please answer. I'm not interested in anything else.
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You mean Taliban and qaddafians of MQM don’t want to leave. Inshallah time will tell.
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This is the “voting machine” I was referring to 