for people who have realised the made a mistake in migrating to pakistan, why cant they pack their bags and go where they'd rather be?
We'd have to pack up Pakistan along with it, since we created it. But for people who opposed creation of pakistan to begin with, they indeed should move elsewhere.
Support for MQM should be banned also on this forum, they're worse than the Taliban. They have killed more youth in Pakistan than Taliban + US combined.
I only supported BB because she really knew how to take care of MQM ghundas. Sad she is no more with us, at least she did something good.
We'd have to pack up Pakistan along with it, since we created it. .
You created it!!! LOL.... Stop smoking Afghan stuff, its bad for your health. What else did you create? A mulsim haven in bharat..
You created it!!! LOL.... Stop smoking Afghan stuff, its bad for your health. What else did you create? A mulsim haven in bharat..
Sindhis, Mohajirs (Urdu speaking Indian Muslims) and Bengalis were the prime movers of the Pakistan movement. And all I had to do was open a history book, the afghan stuff is smoked by the jihadis right before they blow themselves up.
the question is why are u over excited about Talibans? they are our Problem and the Punjabies, pahstuns , balochs and sindies will solve the problem with General consensus. We have already passed a resolution in National Assembly of Pakistan for Peace.
On, the other hand mqm and its supporters who don't have Pakistani roots, who call Pakistan as blunder...want to dictate us what is good for the country? cmon man.........we Pakistanies Ain't Naive.
My suggestion is that if you dont like Pakistan then go back to India
You need to take some lessons in indo-pak history.
Pakistan came into being as a result of the struggle carried out by ALL muslims of British India and not just muslims residing in areas that came to be known as East and West Pakistan later. The muslims of (present day India) made as many sacrifices as muslims from these regions (East and West Pakistan) for the creation of Pakistan. Most of the prime movers and heavy-weights of Pakistan movement were from Bengal and places that are now in India such as Aligarh etc. For reasons that are quite obvious, not every muslim could migrate to Pakistan at the time of partition and vice versa. Just because urdu-speaking muslims happened to be on the wrong side of the border and did not have a province or land of their own at the time of partition of British India does not lessen their struggle or contributions in any way. Many sikhs also migrated from West Punjab to East Punjab. One of the holiest sikh shrines is in Hasanabdal, Pakistan. Do we ever hear indians telling sikhs and hindus (who migrated from Sind etc.) to go back to Pakistan? While I have some reservations about Altaf bhai, he does not represent all urdu-speaking people. They are as much Pakistanis as people belonging to the four provinces (five if you include Kashmir). Even Zia was born in East Punjab.
MQM is not synonymous with all urdu-speaking people. Many urdu speaking people disagree with some of their tactics.
The sooner we all ditch this ethnic mindset the better for us
Ad hominem aside, would you care to explain your position..?
So, separatists of all stripes should be left alone to do what they please…how odd a statement coming from somebody who feigns concern for the welfare of a united Pakistan.
MQM's cause is only for the rights of people. Talib's cause is oppression of people.
This doesn't even qualify as rhetoric. Pray tell, what rights justify a terror campaign, whose primary victims have been those people whom the MQM claim to represent (does this sound familiar)?
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Your amazing failure to understand this is making your arguments less serious in every post.
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I do believe this is the first time I posited this argument against the MQM...
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And talibs don't have a coherent ideology? Are you for joking? What do you think sharia and jihadism is all about?
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In the context of a nation where Shariah is part and parcel of the writ of the state, and where the founding father of the Nation has invoked the notion of Jihad itself while addressing the military establishment, not to mention the Military establishment itself during the Afghan war and various Kashmir conflicts, it boggles the bind as to what difference in ideology the Talibs are sporting with regards to these two things...
Ad hominem aside, would you care to explain your position..?
So, separatists of all stripes should be left alone to do what they please...how odd a statement coming from somebody who feigns concern for the welfare of a united Pakistan.
Here is what you said:
That's a load of crap. Separatists of all stripes, dormant or not, represent an existentialist thread that is persistent and very much real, unlike the thuggery of the Taliban who barely have a coherent ideology or strategy.
The reason why I found your statement so funny is this:
There are some idiots like the MQM who want to seperate from Pakistan but they don't have the means or ways to accomplish it. The Taliban do.
The Taliban do have a coherent ideology of extremist islamic ideology and their strategy is to take over areas tell the people to stop shaving, burn movies, beat up women, etc....
Thats how they took over NWFP and Swat and now Buner.
You claimed that they don't.
I was just shocked by your statement.
Here is what you said:
There are some idiots like the MQM who want to seperate from Pakistan but they don't have the means or ways to accomplish it. The Taliban do.
At their hieght, they had a strangle hold on Pakistan's most populous city. They continue to vie for power, and their seperatist agenda does by definition prove to be a existential threat to Pakistna.
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The Taliban do have a coherent ideology of extremist islamic ideology and their strategy is to take over areas tell the people to stop shaving, burn movies, beat up women, etc....
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Well, then I guess we disagree on what constitutes an Ideology...even if we place coherence aside, I suppose...
We'd have to pack up Pakistan along with it, since we created it. But for people who opposed creation of pakistan to begin with, they indeed should move elsewhere.
i am sorry i donot see any logic in it. so u regret taking a part in creating something, so every one should fold on it? why? you werent the only one and nothing give you the right to dictate others what to do. to each his own, leave if you dont feel upto it but why should others follow suit?
...but then perhaps you weren't around when the Taliban actually managed to do some good back in the 90's in their native regions...
Perhaps you can enlighten us with figures where Talibs managed to reduce the unemployment in the country, or raise the bar on education or health care or even brought improvement in Afghan infrastructure. Or else you can also highlight where Talibs punished women ruthlessly for seeking education and employment and also where many women had to suffer/die because male doctors were not permitted to attend to dying female patients. On a micro scale you could definitely see reduction in crime only but on a macro scale what benefits did the Afghan society reap from Talib rule? Infact, regular Afghanis now hate these criminals with a passion.
Sindhis, Mohajirs (Urdu speaking Indian Muslims) and Bengalis were the prime movers of the Pakistan movement. And all I had to do was open a history book, the afghan stuff is smoked by the jihadis right before they blow themselves up.
There is a famous saying, it goes like this.
Success has many fathers failure is an orphan.
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But you didn’t mention other side of the image. Did you?
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ummmm ... i think mqm is not as bad as the taliban .... i live in karachi and would prefer MQM on taliban asses anytime
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Thank you OP ( Original Poster).. MQM is the worst thing happened to Pakistanis, especially people from Karachi.
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MQM is a Mafia that loots, kills , harasses and target innocent civilains. Pakistanies hate mqm
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^^ Taliban is a terrorist group which kills thousands, sends suicide bombers, brainwashes little kids.
Pakistanis hate the Taliban more than MQM
Bitter_Reality...no matter how hard you can try....you cannot convince anyone that the MQM are a bigger threat than the Taliban
See the thing is you have no defence for the Taliban and thats why you deviate every conversation to MQM.
You have failed, miserably.
Taliban are million times worse than MQM
MQM-related troubles were just confined to Karachi. Whereas in Taliban's case, their cancerous badmaashi is spreading (or atleast threatening to spread..) to all parts of the coutry; they are threatening our very existence. This cancer needs to be nipped in the bud
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MQM is a tumor for Pakistan. It needs to be taken care sooner rather later before it destroys the entire body.
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MQM can't stand sharia laws and that's why they are running around crying. I wonder why would any MUSLIM be against Sharia laws?