Re: MQM : Is it for pakistam or aganist Pakistan ?
I have only one,…Since**" May 2001"**…It has been verified,…But I have written my concern to Mod already to monitor and check it out,…as we discuss this,…verification is going on,…already,..
Re: MQM : Is it for pakistam or aganist Pakistan ?
Tariq Sahib,
You are right, violators of rule should be surrounded and punished.
I hope our respectable moderators will find out soon.
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They are doing just all that…
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You are right, it seems this thread has one person in several id’s.
As for the MQM, they clearly tried to seperate from Pakistan, but Benazir and Gen.Babar crushed that. Theywere created by Zia to counter the PPP, and have brought nothing but death and blood to Karachi, and parts of Hyderabad.
These days they are relatively quiet, but of course their bhatta and crime continues. They are quiet because fellow Mohajir Mush has given them everything they want, even redrawing Hyderabad in their favour
Once Mush is gone, and they don’t get what they want, they will go back to their old ways of demanding ‘Jiinnaphur’.
Even these days, when Altaf Hussain went on a trip to India a few months back, he made a speech saying Pakistan should not have been created. I don’t have the link, but i’m sure it can be ‘googled’.
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You know I dont mind an intellectual discussion based on facts or sound theories. But this? This is crap, total crap. Either the writer is just plain ignorant and insensitive or has some other ulterior motive.
Gen. Babar (The Butcher of Karachi & Self professed creator of taliban) and BB crushed Mqm? What total and utter crap, thats why Mqm is still the popular elected party of Sindh urban areas. What Gen. Babar did and boasted is equivalent of mass murder and mass murderers like him are being held on trial in the International court of justice (Bosnia & Kosovo). Instead of being understanding and sensistive to your Pakistani citizens, some of our compadre’s have a knack of making a complete fool of themselves. Same as those who got their asses kicked in East Pakistan. There too these guys had notions of superiority, we all know what happened when the will of people was forcibly crushed. Same goes for Baluchistan in 1973 and today, you cannot suppress the will of people especially if the Govt or power elite have screwed up big as they did in East Pak and Baluchistan. Similarly, Kaarchi/Hyderabad meaning Mohajirs have been at the recieving end since Ayub Khan in his greatness decided to shift capitals to Islamabad. Lets not go into the history, what may be said can be distressfull to many ppl therefore I wish not to push the issue here, but if anyone feels otherwise, then like Bush bhai said…Bring it on…
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Only people from Punjab oppose MQM because, Altaf Hussain is the one who stood against Pakistan army like a rock and did not give up. Jinnahpur, anti Pakistani, traitors are some pet slogans from Punjab (but cheap though) to harrass the opponents. But these self-made castles never materialized. What about those who have lieterally broken the country into two, raped thousands of our Muslim Bengali women, always ready to push back small nationalities of Pakistan Bugti, Altaf Hussain, Sindhis and Pathans?
But this is 21st century and days are gone when Punjab would keep it’s superiority over other provinces and after 9/11 the world is more understandable that Urdu speaking and Sindhi people are peace loving.
Remember, everyone who talks against MQM and Mr. Altaf Hussain is literally mess with 45 million Mohajirs and Sindhis in Sindh.
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I thought last time you mentioned,..25 Millions,..now 45 millions,…next time may be 100 millions,..atleast keep your numbers straight…
BTW,…MQM approach was wrong,…to use low tactics,…Its a good and healthy thing to have representation from Muhajir community,..but creating havoc and unrests,…never solved any thing,…Look @ India,…what they did to crush,…Khalistan movement,…today,..all their sikh leaders are either dead or sitting outside if India,…Just Like MQM,…India used Altaf Hussain like a ** CONDOM** to get even with pakistan over their indian punjab issue,…Don’t you guyz get it,.or still playing ignorant,…here.
BTW,…I am not siding with RealDeal here,…I am stating the facts,…Before you guyz jump to conclusions,…,..I myself is from NWFP,…we have problem with Punjab too,..but we don’t dance on Indian Music,…MQM does.
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25 Millions are Mohajirs and if you add up Sindhis, it will be 45 millions, is that clear to you?
In your wisdom, if 45 million (because Punjab also blames Sindhis too as anti-Pakistan) are traitors and dance on the Indian music so let me tell you that you cannot stop them going their own. One day they will leave Pakistan alone. You cannot keep them at gun pointforever. You cannot be double standard when you talk about Kashmiris (who are not even 25 or 45 million) that they cannot live with India so how come 45 million will live with Pakistan (I am not saying so but if you insist so that they are traitors…traitors will one day break the yoke). People see different pictures from different angles. What Palestinians and Kashmiri call war of independence, India and Israel call terrorism. The same way, what Punjab call MQM as ghaddar, Mohajirs and Sindhis call fight against rights and justice (with in Pakistan).
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Good adding up Sindhis,…then baluchis,..then pathans,…way to go man,…You are exaggerating here at MEGA scale now,…what is it,..?
Why you are trying to amuse us with your fuzzy math here,…
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A MQM supporter can hardly complain about killings and tortue!How typically
hypocritical.As the saying goes…pot calling the kettle black!
If it wasn’t for Gen.Babar, Karachi would not be part of Pak. Gen.Babar and BB crushed the MQM battle for independence, if you were living there you would know it. Life before they bashed the MQM was intolerable.
He killed many of the terrorists and killers making Karachi a big no-go area, and he has the eternal thanks for many for it. He saved a lot of innocent lives by getting these terrorists, and with a lot less ‘collateral damage’ then the one you call
‘Bush bhai’.
Anyways,at least your not biased/brainwashed already 
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This is coming from a person who is from karachi
Why they are self destruct and going to an extreme level to malign Pakistan ?
Who is Altaf Hussain,…? bahut hi bada chor
who are his cronies,…? RAW, india (same as we sponsor many terrorist organizations in india)
**What is the secret agenda they have ? ** terrorism, to destroy pakistan
Why Altaf Hussain has British Citizenship and hiding in UK,..while his followers are paying the ultimate price for whom ?
who is more wrong he or his followers who still don’t get it
**What they get when they malign Pakistan with their hateful speeches, and articles and posts etc ?**money…its all about money
**A country who gives us an identity in the world, Why we are busy to destroy that identity ?**I ask this question many times…sometimes to people…sometimes to myself
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Homer Simpson,
Everything you just said about Altaf Hussain and MQM is a very old story, recycled statements. If you have something new, please apprise us. We are here to learn and teach and not to be bored by stale stories.
Thank you.
SHAFIQ KHAN
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mate no offense but me saying anything about altaf hussain or MQM hurts u then its ur problem…I donot discriminate against punjabis, pathans, mohajirs, indians, americans…to me all of them are human beings…for me a person is not a punjabi , mohajir he is a pakistani…for me a person is not shia/sunni he is muslim…
I hate MQM from the core of my heart…I also hate PPP, PML, MMA…i am entitled to my opinion…atleast i donot cry about pakistan all the time…think abt it mate…do u have anything good to say abt pakistan
Oh and I am boring u…and what r u doing just picking up fights in this whole forum just to keep everyone excited?..come on man kids do that…u said u were 52 pls act ur age…
I am sorry if i have offended u…I also said u are talented individual in one of my earlier posts…but i presume that u only like to hear good things abt urself and MQM 
anyways many people are pissing u off in the forums…life’s tough…hardluck mate…can’t so nothin about it…just act as the individual u really are or as present urself in the posts…
ciao
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Simpson,
Did I write English or any other language? What part of my plain English you could not understand. I did not need your explanation about what you hate or you like, it’s not my concern. I simply said, whatever you just wrote about MQM and Altaf Hussain is a very oooooooooold news, 20 years back. If you have fresh news about Altaf Hussain or MQM, please give us. Do not relay recycled, ghissi pitti news.
Secondly, if you hate MQM and Altaf Hussain, it does not make any difference for anyone either. They are 25 million people and hold the entire urban population of Sindh, including Karachi. They have 80 Legislative assembly members in two parliaments and upper house and the second largest coalition party of Musharraf in Pakistan. Do you think any body does shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii to your thoughts? You are just a fly sitting on the horn of a bull.
SHAFIQ KHAN
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Altaf HUSsain is known to be on indian pay roll by intelligence in pakisan....rafiq dogar ( renowned writer on pakistani intelligence ) while writing his book on RAW gave some good proves as to altaf 's connection with india..
BTW javed langra as i came to know is residing in india these days ....
I really am surprise seeing some one supporting altaf hussain ..... ye tau aaisa hi hay * na khuda hi milay ga na wisal e sanam na idher kay rahoo gay na udher kay raho gay *
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Syed Rizvi, i agree with most of the stuff your saying... i havn't lived in pak myself but have dealt with alot of "PUNJABI POLITICAL PARTIES" overseas (US and Can) ... and trust me from what i see... bahar toh mulk ko dubo rahay hain ... but back in pak they are diong the same damn thing... i honestly re-think the division (47') and how it shouldn't of happened.
i forget the sher , its by mohsin bhopali but the ending is...
"Manzil Ussay mili joh shareekay safar na thay" - and only a mohajir can understand that
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Real Deal:
Did I ever say Iam a supporter of Mqm? Simply bcos someone belongs to Karachi or criticizes inhuman policies of centre (Poonjab) the guy becomes Mqm? WHo are you kiddin, sounds a lot like what Bush & Co have done to the muslims in general: Label, Libel and Bamboozle. comments (Bush Bhai) made can be satarical, you need to read with an open mind and not with your blinkered, biased visions.
My arguments are based on historical and political facts, had you read my first post you wud hv understood my position on Mqm thugs. Also, If anyone of you who wishes to sit on their pompous highhorse of morality has sound reasoning which matches reality of Pakistan then Iam open for discussion. If not, then I wud suggest you go and live in your nice and clean fantasy towers, cause thats not what its like out there. This country’s history and its leaders are dripping in blood of their own people, Bengalis, Baluchis, Sindhis, Mohajirs, Pathans and common Punjabi’s.
Butchers of Pakistan and their crimes:
- Gen. Ayub Khan / Gohar Ayub-Slaughter in Karachi
- Gen. Yahya Khan-Bengali’s
- Gen. Sattar Niazi-Bengali’s
- Gen. Tikka Khan-Bengali’s
- CMLA Z A Bhutto-Baluchis
- Gen. Zia Ul Haq-Sindhi’s, Mohajirs and Pakistan in general
- Gen. Naseer ullah Babar-Mohajirs and creator of Taliban (self-professed)
- Gen. Hameed Gul-responsible for Jihadi outfits responsible for sectarian killings
- Gen. Musharraf-Baluchistan crises averted?
Political leadership with direct or indirect share in killings:
- Jamaat e Islami-Al Shams & Al Badr in East Pakistan and collaboration with Yahya Khan, with Zia ul Haq in terrorizing and murdering Pakistani political opponents, killings of kashmiri political opponents, involved with Afghan splinter groups and now Al Qaeda, extortion, abduction, sabotage and khal chor.
- Z A Bhutto: Baluchistan (1973), Karachi (Urdu-Sindhi riots) and FSF
- Benazir Bhutto: Operation Pucca Killa (Hyderabad) and Operation cleanup KHI
- Nawaz Sharif: Operation Karachi
- PPP or Al-Zulfiqar: Hijacking, Murder and extortion
- Jeeyay Sindh/ Sindhu Desh: Hyderabad massacre
- Jihadi outfits: Sunnis killing shia’s and Shia’s killing sunnis-Supported by MMA or its constituents parties
- Mqm: promoted culture of extortion, murder, abduction and ghoonda ghardi.
As for your brainwashed, typical prejudical views regarding the killing of common Karachittes and the great butchers Gen Babar and BB, all I can say is you are welcome to your narrow minded, bigoted world of Bushwhack.
Reality check: By stating the obvious you do not gain anything unless you identify its root cause and eliminate or rectify that problem.
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[quote=“TARIQ786USA”]
FG,
Thanx for the response…First, the one who caused fall of east pakistan…has met his own ultimate justice from God…which we all know.
Dear Tariq,
On your first point, the guy responsible for east pakistan has met his fate, is an incorrect assumption. It was’nt just Yahya, Mujeeb or Bhutto who were responsible. Abdul Sattar Niazi, Tikka Khan, Maj Gen Rahim, Sher Ali Pataudi/ Jamaat e Islaami these are a few names of prominence which come to mind, Iam sure there are many more. Has anyone, anyone ever ever paid a price for such a huge human catastrophe and coutry debacle? How can you say the ghost of East Pakistan has been laid to rest, and that is our biggest problem. We do not confront our mistakes or are not allowed, we slant, slander and propagate hoping ppl will forget and move forward. Well, they have been winning uptil now, but at what costs? Loss of integrity, honesty, humility, our sense of humanity and most importantly our beloved Pakistan as envisioned by MA JInnah.
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The most sensible thing said in the whole thread…
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"Political leadership with direct or indirect share in killings:
1. Jamaat e Islami-Al Shams & Al Badr in East Pakistan and collaboration with Yahya Khan, with Zia "
You forgot to give credit to Jamaat for the holocaust and tens of millions killed in Stalin's gulags and Mao's cultural revolution....plus you conveniently left out the tens of thousands killed in the recent tsunami....