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^ Oh is this why he’s claiming the new leadership of Jinnahpur would be headed by the MQM? 
Saleem stop posting lies yar, its not like anyone here believes you in the first place.
Also, Im still waiting for your previous reply. You said Zardari and NS were Jewish agents. From what I understand, its Zardari and Altaf Hussain who are ruling Pakistan, so they must be jewish agents right?
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**Things are falling in place, after Kamaal’s trip to the US (with a secret stopover in Israel), he gave this interview:
Directly from NPR:
“Karachi’s mayor, Syed Mustafa Kamal, considers these ethnic Pashtuns a threat. In his eyes, they are plotting to take over the city”
Audio Link: (between 05:00 and 07:00)
Karachi’s Growth Fuels Demand for Illegal Housing : NPR**
^ check out the 2nd one, its even more absurd.
I tried reading the comments of poeple who sign up for this petition and its sickening to hear what they think of rest of pakistani people
This is what MQM agent Jamal has to say about NS (honestly, at first I thought you wrote that, because of your hatred for NS, which is just like Mr. Jamaals)
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who in God's name is this guy?
'award winning', which award is that again? I dont see the link between the various, possibly true, innuendos which he strings together here, I mean what materially are qadianies doing?
afaik they are the most insignificant chunk of people in Pakistan in terms of power, and mostly hail from their power base in Punjab, with no really strong presence in Karachi of all places, much less in the business community of Karachi, which is strongly memon.
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ravage, check out post 4.. .the video in it.
a secret stopover in Israel
LOL
He is not good in keeping secrets apparently.
**Amazon.com gives some introduction of Syed Jamaluddin as Author of the book they sell: **Divide Pakistan: To Eliminate Terrorism (Hardcover)
Amazon.com: Divide Pakistan: To Eliminate Terrorism: Syed Jamaluddin: Books
**Editorial Reviews: **
**About the Author
**Syed Jamaluddin is an active writer on issues concerning Pakistan’s involvement in various terrorist activities in the South Asian region. He was forced to leave Pakistan after the military coup of General Musharraf in 1999. He liaised with political and religious parties of Pakistan as well as Government Agencies.
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^ Did you know Mushahid Hussain was kept in jail when Musharraf came to power too
If Syed Jamaluddin, Altaf’s proponent for Jinnahpur is working for NS, why is he so bashful of NS then? Did u read the above post?
I think what this guy is doing is reverse engineering :). It is difficult for NS to openly say that he want to break up Punjab from Pakistan ... so, his cronies like Jamaluddin are working in other way, that is to make others break up from Punjab.
We should remember that Nawaz tried to undermine armed forces from day one, considering them as threat to his plans. It is assumed that it was PML under Nawaz that advertised all over the world, advertisement implicating Pakistan army as Rouge Army. Nawaz tried to destabilise BB government on Punjab and non-Punjab issue, using Punjab provincial government to make life of federal government difficult, such that even Prime Minister could not pass Punjab when commuting from Islamabad to other places, as if Punjab was not part of Pakistan.
lol we all know what conclusions and 'prediction’s you draw from your thinkings…
Point is, Jinnahpur is an MQM ideology. As as you take away the Govt of Karachi from them, they’ll resurrect it. Its pretty apparent how Altaf went from washing Musharrafs feet to Zardari’s. He would do the same thing if NS was in power. Infact, he did that back in 1997 already
ravage, check out post 4.. .the video in it.
I dont have sound here so I cant really watch it. But if the guy is thanking Altaf bhai, and Altaf bhai is thanking him, so what? Does every guy/group who happens to thank Bhai becomes blessed with cryptic supernatural powers?
I understand the tendency amongst the MQM workers to feel that way, but seriously dude, whats wrong with you?
Give me one, material thing, the all-powerful ahmadies did in Pakistan, besides getting bombed occasionally. Since you posted this garbage, can you tell me who this 'prominent jewish professor' IT Naomi is? I cant google the guy, and for the life of me I cant find another document or report where 600 ahmadies are serving in Israeli army?
And again, which award is it that this guy has won, I cant find his name associated with any journalistic award that I am aware of. The darwin awards?
I dont have sound here so I cant really watch it. But if the guy is thanking Altaf bhai, and Altaf bhai is thanking him, so what? Does every guy/group who happens to thank Bhai becomes blessed with cryptic supernatural powers?
Err, you kinda messed up in your post above, but show me where that Ahmedi spiritual leader has ever thanked any other leader of Pakistan. Altaf too was shedding croc tears and asked for mizra sahibs maghfarat. I mean who does that to a false prophet? Altaf also kicked his next in line gaddi nasheen aamir liaqat from the MQM only because aamir was anti-ahmedi.
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Give me one, material thing, the all-powerful ahmadies did in Pakistan, besides getting bombed occasionally. Since you posted this garbage, can you tell me who this 'prominent jewish professor' IT Naomi is? I cant google the guy, and for the life of me I cant find another document or report where 600 ahmadies are serving in Israeli army?
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When did they get bombed? You mean persecuted right? Yes, they are persecuted, but that does not mean they have a collective lobby working for their interests. There are alot of them outside Pakistan, who collaborate with anti-Muslim element as means to inflict revenge, and what MQM is one of them.
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And again, which award is it that this guy has won, I cant find his name associated with any journalistic award that I am aware of. The darwin awards?
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Thats your homework not mine, and neither did I claim he won awards, the London Post did. You seem to take cowasjee's anynomous emails that he gets as the final authority, so you might as well believe this newspaper too.
Err, you kinda messed up in your post above, but show me where that Ahmedi spiritual leader has ever thanked any other leader of Pakistan. Altaf too was shedding croc tears and asked for mizra sahibs maghfarat. I mean who does that to a false prophet? Altaf also kicked his next in line gaddi nasheen aamir liaqat from the MQM only because aamir was anti-ahmedi.
Sure, you can bash them on their relationship, but this article goes far, far beyond just saying they're buddies.
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When did they get bombed? You mean persecuted right? Yes, they are persecuted, but that does not mean they have a collective lobby working for their interests. There are alot of them outside Pakistan, who collaborate with anti-Muslim element as means to inflict revenge, and what MQM is one of them.
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Fine, call it persecution. Or gunned down in ahmadi centers. Or having their centers razed. Or the only nobel scientist in Pakistan tossed into the bin because of his religion.
You infer that they have a collective lobby that is taking revenge against the good Muslims of Pakistan because the guy thanked Bhai. Maybe Bhai just had his bathroom unclogged. Or maybe they were just grateful Bhai mentioned them in a speech and didnt simultaneously say that they have devil worship orgies every other Tuesday.
Afaik most political powers in Pakistan, even those who's karkun dont enroll enmasse in the Israeli Army, have at various points thanked Bhai. PPP and ANP spring to mind, and whatever your feelings for PPP and ANP I dont think you would post articles purporting a jewish/ANP/MQM nexus's powerful plan to destroy Pakistan. Atleast I think you wouldnt, though I am not so sure now.
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Thats your homework not mine, and neither did I claim he won awards, the London Post did.
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You posted an article from this rag, which means you take a certain responsibility for its credibility. Surely you wouldnt peddle unfounded, useless rumours? Not the responsible, investigative, skeptical spock I know!
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You seem to take cowasjee's anynomous emails that he gets as the final authority, so you might as well believe this newspaper too.
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I know who Cowasjee is, and what his newspaper's credibility is. I also know who Tariq Ali is, the newspaper he writes for, the publisher of his books. I also knew the credbility of dawn and jang. That was before I started that thread.
I do not know LondonPost, it is apparently a shoddily designed expat pakistani website. I know even less of this author.
^ With that logic, every journalist who writes articles in the paper hates the politicians hes talking about? That doesnt make sense rob. He presented it rather well, with facts. You are forgetting how sad Altaf was on Mirza's death and how he was offering the duas for his maghfarrat. Altaf has proven he'll conspire with just about anyone, provided the rewards are good, be it PPP, PML[N], Amreeka, or India (as evident by his anti pakistani hate speeches in India).
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Not every journalist. In countries like Pakistan, where media and politics are often driven by religion and ethnic identity rather than secular reason, there is little protection for the minority and individual. If this was a foreign observer, an urdu speaking or Ahmedi journalist then it would be different. However, if this journalist doesnt belong to the above groups, then there is a possible conflict of interest in the story. In most civilized countries, people are cognizant of such bias in the media. Both Rob and Shadan appear to recognize this possiblity. However, spock usually endz up on the side of big government, failing to reconginze the rights of the individual or minority. Before this post spock wanted the government to prosecute Musharraf for having a farm, without any specific proof of corruption. spock my friend, you seem to favor the tyranny of the majority thru big government. This is a definite recipe for the destruction of Pakistan.
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sure sure, anything for bhai
lets focus more on the mqm-jewish connection first… if you think its all wrong, please provide facts to counter this dr. shahids facts, which all make sense, based on how things are turning out to be:
it seems like there is infact a plan to split pakistan, and jinnahpur is a subchapter in this plot.
Now I know you ran away from that thread, but whats this:
Revealed: Musharraf’s luxury retirement pad - Asia, World - The Independent
before Mr Musharraf fired Pakistan’s Chief Justice, Iftikhar Chaudhry – a move that spectacularly backfired – Mr Chaudhry had initiated a legal challenge that claimed the land in Chak Shahzad was reserved for farming, not residential use. The matter remains unsettled.
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spook,
I am still trying to figure out what is the issue of the thread? Is the question, why there are Ahmadis in Israeli Army?
I didn’t know they were until I read the article. So obviously, I tried to go to the source by searching for a book called “Israel: A profile” Googling it doesn’t come up with any credible hits.
Then I tried “Israel A profile I.T Naomi” it returns 5 hits, and guess what, one of the links is to this very thread.
So, before I even go on to answer if/why there are Ahmadis serving in Israeli armed forces, I want to know if you have checked out if Dr Shahid Qureshi isn’t making stuff up? If he isn’t, do you know who is this “respected Jewish Professor I.T Naomi.”?
I did however find a book called, “Israel, A Profile by Israel T. Naamani” which is only being sold as a used copy version.
Also, I believe that if you want peace in Pakistan, you want to give peace to Ahmadiyya community. Just like the article quotes a “senior Qadiyani leader” (whatever that title means) Not because it’s the Ahmadis causing all the havoc, it’s because whoever can bring peace by protecting the rights of the most persecuted community in Pakistan will definetly bring peace to the rest of the country. It’s kinda like saying if you want to bring prosperity to the world, bring peace and prosparity to Africa, because we know if Africans are getting two square meals and day without any wars, the rest of the world sure will be.
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So, Altaf fired liaqat, who doesnt like ahmedies, and that is part of the MQM-jewish connection. OK.
As for talibanization, I am very concerned about the Talibanization of Pakistan myself. You cannot tell me you think whatever is happening at our western border is a good thing. And I live close to an area (Shirin Jinnah Colony) where you do see signs such as “owners of Tankers taking supplies to Afghanistan will be killed” (not based on some jew influenced news, based on personal viewing). His remarks about Pakhtuns on the other hand, were stupid and racist, but really is that such a rarity in our political culture? How do you go from political incorrectness concerning Pathans to a jewish hand?
Regarding being treated better than Gilani, the day Gilani has any real political power, he might get better treated. It was widely reported that the US white house was embarassed to meet him, because usually state visits are a big thing, but everyone knew the real deal was when Zardari would come.
Now even if all of your points were true and meaningful, go back and look at the article. It is some truly shameful bull****. 600 Ahmadies in the Israeli army on the authority of some jew professor called Naomi. Random quotes from Ahmadi leaders that dont really seem to say anything except that Muslims arent cool. It is a hate mongering, poorly structured article that floats from random idea to random idea in the hope that anyone will pick and choose what they always wanted to think.
Even if all your points were true, it is an insane stretch to go from random observations about western affinity with MQM and a racist comment to an MQM-jew conspiracy to take revenge on Pakistan in collaboration with the ahmadies, on the authority of a ‘fully licensed’ ahmadi restaurant owner in Manchester.
Fact that Pakistanies can spend so much time taking this tripe seriously is a shame.