MQM, Ahmedis and Israel

Interesting article, thought I’d share it with you all :slight_smile:

MQM and Qadiyanis in Israeli Army by Dr Shahid Qureshi
By Dr Shahid Qureshi

More Qadiyanis serve in the Israeli Armed Forces than Pakistan according to a book, ‘Israel: A Profile’, by a respected Jewish Professor I.T Naomi. He stated: ‘… and the Ahmadi sect of some 600 people from Pakistan can also serve in the (Israeli) army…’ To many analysts Qadiaynis are a political issue and have always been a security problem? In India Qadiyanis have collected and donated thousands to the Indian Army fund after Kargil.

On 15th February 1987, Pakistani Foreign Minister, Sahibzada Yakub Khan declared in the National Assembly that there were 328 Qadiyani officers of different ranks in the Pakistan Armed Forces. According to his report 1, Lt. General, 5 Brigadiers in the army and 1 similar rank in the Air Force = 6, Colonial 10 Army, 2 Navy, 3 Air Force= 15, Lt. Colonials 56 Army, 6 Navy, 11 Air Force = 73, Major 135 Army, 5 Navy, 16 Air Force = 156, Captain 58 Army, 5 Navy, 14 Air Force = 77, Total 328.
600 Qadiyanis serve in the Israeli Armed Forces according to a book, ‘Israel: A Profile’, by Professor I.T Naomi, and 238 in Pakistan armed forces.

“Give peace to the Ahmadis if you want peace in Karachi”, a senior Qadiyani leader said to me

Now the question is after 20 years where are these officers? How far up have they gone? What is their current status in the armed forces and intelligence agencies? “Qadiyanis were created for political reasons and also to confuse the Muslims especially on the matter of 'Jihad”, said a senior analyst.

‘Give peace to the Ahmadis if you want peace in Karachi’, in 1995 a very senior Qadiyani leader said to me while sitting in one of his fully licensed restaurant at Wilmslow Road, Manchester. It was the time when Benazir Bhutto’s government was doing ‘operation clean up’ in Karachi under interior minister Naseerullah Babar.

I had an invitation to attend a conference on Human Rights at the United Nations in this context a close friend took me to see Mr. Altaf Hussain at his London offices in August 1995. They showed us some videos about the bad treatment to their workers in Karachi. In the context of ‘Jinnahpur conspiracy’ allegations, I suggested Mr Altaf Husain, ‘don’t say anything which you cannot take back like Mujeeb-ur- Rehman’s six points’. As liver damage caused by drinking alcohol and smoking of hashish are irreversible.

Tariq Aziz reportedly Qadiyani relative of Rehman Malik and former president Musharaf’s National Security Advisor has been hired for the ‘track two diplomacy with India’. His rank and salary would be equivalent to a federal minister. No wonder MQM and PPP are reportedly planning to move a motion in the parliament to undo the declaration of Qadiaynis as non Muslims by ZA Bhutto led Parliament on 7th September 1974.

On 8th September 2008, Mr Altaf Hussain said, 'a widespread conspiracy against the MQM of sending fax letters and emails to individuals and to Imam Bargahs and Mosques domestically and internationally inciting hatred and provocations against Shiite and Ahmadi sects to malign the image of the MQM and falsely portray it to be against Shiite and Ahmadi sects".

Altaf Hussain prayed for the forgiveness of Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiyani leader, who died in London few of years ago. One wonders why Altaf did not attend his funeral? As a matter of courtesy one expects to say condolences provided the other side accept? Sir Zafrullah did not attend the funeral of Muhammad Ali Jinnah (father of the nation) conducted by a Sunni Muslim.
Altaf Hussain prayed for the forgiveness of Qadiyani leader Mirza Tahir but have they accepted his condolences?

Impact magazine wrote: 'The National Assembly (in 1974) would go to remove a long standing but an unnecessary anomaly. The decision would serve only to formalise the defacto even de jure position. The problem had arisen not because the Muslims in some fit of orthodoxy or fanaticism wanted to ‘excommunicate’ any group of people. Its origin, on the other hand, lay in the assumption by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadiyan of Messiahship, and prophethood and as a consequence, b*****ng those who did not believe in him to be outside the pale of his Islam.

The Qadiyani view of their relationship with Muslims was well summarised by their second caliph, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad:

“Our worship has been separated from the non –Ahmadis, we are prohibited from giving our daughters (in marriage) to them and we have been stopped from offering prayers for their dead. What then left that we can do together? There are two kinds of ties: one religious the other mundane. The greatest expression of the religious bond is in common worship and in matters mundane, these are the ties of family and marriage. But then both are forbidden (haram) to us. If you say that we are permitted to take their daughter (in marriage), then I would reply that we are allowed to marry the daughters of Christians as well. If you say why do we Salam (salute) to non- Ahmadis, then the reply to this is that … the Prophet (Muhammad) has said Salam to the Jews… Thus the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) has separated us, in all possible ways, from the others; and there is no kind of relationship which is particular to Muslims and we are not forbidden from (entering into) that”, (Kalimatul Fazsl’, by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad in Review of Religions).

In 1935 that Sir Mohammad Iqbal, a poet philosopher asked the British Government to declare the Qadiyanis as separate community just as they done with the Sikhs. Sir Iqbal said, ‘the Qadiyanis while pursuing a policy of separation in religion and social matters’, however, anxious to remain politically with the fold. The Qadiyanis will never take initiative for separation’, argued Sir Iqbal because their small number (56,000) according to 1931 census would not entitle them 'even to a single seat in any legislature. The Qadiyanis asked the British Government that, 'our rights too should be recognised like those of Parsees and Christians reported (Al Fadhi 13th November 1946).

“It was common knowledge that Jalaluddin Qamar, the Ahmedyah Missionary of Rabwah had been serving in Israel since 1956 when Ch. Muhammad Sharif was called back to Pakistan from Israel. All Qadiyani missionaries who had been formerly posted in Israel since 1928 namely J.D Shams, Allah Dita Jalundhari, Rashid Ahmed Chaughtai, Noor Ahmad and Ch. Sharif lived in Rabwah after serving in Israel. Their families had mysterious contact channels when they were in Israel”, wrote Bashir Ahmad in 'Ahmadiyah Movement: British Jewish Connection.

As far as Jewish help and support is concerned, Mirza Mubarak Ahmad, grandson of the Qadiyani prophet has himself acknowledged in his book ‘OUR FOREIGN MISSIONS’, PP. 79-80 in the following words: “The Ahmadiyya mission in Israel is situated in Haifa at Mount Karmal. We have a mosque there, a mission house, a library, a book depot and a school”.

**According to latest reports ‘Altaf Hussain is receiving instructions from foreign players including Indians and $ millions from the business community in Karachi’. He had many meetings with US diplomat Robin Raphael reportedly. Therefore when Altaf Hussain says, ‘LOC should be made permanent border’.
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He seemingly follows Indo-US line on Kashmir according to Milligazette.com, ‘US Intentions in Kashmir’ by M. Ahmad Kazmi:

“The US policy-makers in the post-cold war era seem to be increasingly aggressive to implement the Dixon Plan in Kashmir for attaining ultimate target of having a foothold in the region and to use Kashmir as their main operations station. Before going into the US activities in the region it would be useful to understand the broad framework of the Dixon Plan. Named after its author Sir Owen Dixon, who was the UN representative for India and Pakistan in 1950, the plan envisages a division of Kashmir between India and Pakistan. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru favoured this plan, but it was a non-starter because Liyaqat Ali Khan, the then prime minister of Pakistan, rejected it. The US policy makers have resurrected this plan in recent years with some refinement. In the first phase, the idea of recognizing the Line of Control (LOC) as an international border is being mooted through different quarters”.

A senior analyst said, ‘Altaf Hussain’s latest filtration with the Qadiyanis is not a coincident? So what is he up to? Start civil war in Karachi? Cripple the economy? If Altaf Hussain goes down that route then Government of Pakistan should ask for his extradition, closure of so called ‘international secretariat’, international investigation into MQM funds starting from London, Dubai, Kenya, South Africa, Tanzania, Canada and United States. Otherwise it will not be possible to provide a safe route to NATO and allied forces 80% supplies and 40% fuel delivered in Afghanistan via Karachi port? United States and allies need to inform the world what are their real objectives in Afghanistan?’

(Dr Shahid Qureshi is senior award wining investigative journalist and writer on security, foreign policy, and terrorism based in London)

so Spock bahi are there still good leaders in JI?As you said in your 2002 elections thread.From there i concluded that u perhapes like JI but u declared me as an MQMIE.
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such reports are often published in jihadi magzines .
From their godforsaken facts and figures they prove that JEWES are behind thje destablization of islamic word and qadianies are their agents with an objective to destroy PAKISTAN.I think pakistani religious are more than enogh to do the "qadianies job"

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qadianis in Israeli army, thats interesting

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** Qadiani Leader MQM ke Quaid Altaf Hussain ka Shukar Guzaar ** Qadiani Leader MQM ke Quaid Altaf Hussain ka Shukar Guzaar

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I think everybody is justified in looking after their own interest. We don't want to treat Qaadyaanis as equal citizens in pakistan having equal opportunities in all walks of life. So wat choices have we left for them?

Firstly, what does that have to do with the thread? Dont post offtopic stuff here. Secondly, if you get so riled up by that comment (which I dont recall making), then you must be one, because this is the 2nd time you brought it up. Btw, make up your mind, your other MQM fellas think Im a NS, Imran, and formerly Zardari supporter. Alteast be coherent, dont clutch on straws.

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such reports are often published in jihadi magzines .
From their godforsaken facts and figures they prove that JEWES are behind thje destablization of islamic word and qadianies are their agents with an objective to destroy PAKISTAN.I think pakistani religious are more than enogh to do the "qadianies job"
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Yes, I am sure Jews have nothing but good intentions for Muslims, and Pakistanis right? Also, are you saying the london post is jihadi newspaper? London is the place where quiad-e-tahrik was granted asylum afterall.

That is a good point.

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Government should not be in business of telling you what you are and what you are not. If a person calls himself muslim, government (or anybody) should not have any problem with it. This law declaring ahmedies non-muslim, is as idiotic as mullah's fatwa. It should be rolled back.

Claims like Isreal has qadianis in their army, is as stupid as it can get. Guess what, India and USA has some muslims in their army. so what does that mean? absolutely nothing. These breaking news are just for the people, who want such news to support their views and bias, and do not require substantial proof.

Mr Qureshi is a person, who hates Isreal, MQM and Qadianis. and in his mind, he decided to combine all of them. He probably hates cockroaches also, but if he had mention them in this article, you would call him crazy.

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^ With that logic, every journalist who writes articles in the paper hates the politicians hes talking about? That doesnt make sense rob. He presented it rather well, with facts. You are forgetting how sad Altaf was on Mirza's death and how he was offering the duas for his maghfarrat. Altaf has proven he'll conspire with just about anyone, provided the rewards are good, be it PPP, PML[N], Amreeka, or India (as evident by his anti pakistani hate speeches in India).

Thats nice. I really appreciate it. Why hate a person because of his beliefs. Belief is not a crime.

Ishtaiq Azhar (ex-MNA) was one MQM politician (originally from Lahore), who was fired from MQM by Altaf Hussain. Reason was, that he said in one interview that India-Pakistan border should be made as a virtual line, and people should be allowed to travel without visa. He also said something about 1947 partition, that how it hurt people form both sides.
so what can I tell you my friend. You see only one side of the story.


Shahid Qureshi wrote correct that Jews are doing conspiracy to harm Pakistan. This is the reason Jews did all to take out Patriotic government of Pakistan and got it replaced by two world known crooks, Nawaz and Zardari.

If he said something like that, Altaf would get orgasms. Altaf believes the division of the sub-continent, drawing this boundary line, and creating Pakistan was the biggest blunder in the history of mankind. It is obvious he gets alot of support from India. And since India and Israel are good allies, the support obviously extends to Israel too. We all know how recently they were flaunting that greasy maila Mustafa Kamaal to the US and presenting him as the new 'moderate' musalmaan, and making him appear on NPR etc and talk crap about Islam, Pashtuns and instill a fear of Talibanization.

Patriotic Govt of Pakistan with Altaf Hussain at the helm? Jinnahpur’s funding came from the Indian nexus my friend. Also, keep in mind its Zardari and Altaf who are in the Govt right now, not Nawaz, so you are admitting Altaf is also working for the Jews :hehe:

either paste a copy of that cheque here, with memo "for jinnahpoor".
or stop making these claims. I must remind you that PPP was also accused of unpatriotic (bhutto being related to nehru family, and having a hindu grand mother). Such alegations come from parties, who have no vision, no character, no ideas how to handle a country.

"The division of the sub-continent was the greater, err greatest blunder in the history of the mankind..." Altaf Bhai 2001 India

Rob, please have a look at all the Jinnahpur petitions that your comrades have filed on the internet. These plans were also unearthed during an army operation against the MQM terrorists.

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Can u provide link for Jinnahpur petitions ?

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Formation of Republic of Jinnahpur-Online Petition

FORMATION OF REPUBLIC OF JINNAHPUR Petition

Theres a lot of them. Most of them are directed to western leaders.

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nevermind found it.

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An independent country for Urdu-speaking people will solve their economic problems on one hand and provide an environment of freedom from the military dictatorship of Punjab province on the other.

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How are they going to solve economic problems??? whats the plan?? what industry they have, how many containers that leave with exported goods are made in Jinnahpur? are they going to grow food on the balcony of their flats?

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Urdu-speaking people have their own identity and worth. It is not possible for Urdu-speaking people to become part of Sindh.

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are u kidding me?

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This attempt to make Urdu-speaking people part of Sindh has always failed. This fact that Urdu-speaking people are independent in their thinking and are able to represent themselves more effectively if they are independent, should be accepted and recognized by the whole world. One cannot force a French person to become German or a Czech citizen to become Spanish or a Polish citizen to become Russian, similarly, one should also not force an Urdu-speaking citizen to become Sindhi.

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where was an urdu speaking Pakistani Cotizen was ever asked to become sindhi ??

Germany invaded france, when did Sindhi people invaded urdu speaking people?

there is too much to disagree in this petition, i can not imagine it was drafted by someone who drank pakistani water and has lived in pakistan.

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^ check out the 2nd one, its even more absurd.

Yaar Spock, Syed Jamaluddin who started this petition is ‘Nawaz Shareef’ crony. He was working for NS to break up Pakistan, and left Pakistan when President Musharraf came to power and NS government was deposed. He is working for NS and is trying to break up Pakistan. If that was not the case then Jamaluddin would not have gone to exile when Musharraf took over power in 1999. Jamaluddin was always doing propaganda against Musharraf on behalf of NS.

Jamaluddin petition is not only for Jinahpur (a fabricated idea from Raiwand farm house) but he is working for Sindhu Desh, Independent Baluchistan and Independent Sarhad too. It is believed that he is working for some leaders in Punjab who want to break up Pakistan into many pieces. I think that the person is Nawaz Shareef who want to breakup Pakistan so that he could become Khalifa of Punjabistan. Nawaz knows that as long as Senate has 75 percent seats from other provinces, he has no chance to become Khalifa, so all this conspiracy.:halo: