MQM a by product of agencies: Nawaz

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These intelligence agencies have made sure that even after a prolonged time in hardship, we never see peace, stability and harmony. I think its about time they are identified and they be disbanded. We can no longer let their ‘lack of intelligence’ to strengthen dictatorships and rogue elements in the country.
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  • PML-N chief says intelligence agencies busy interfering in political affairs
  • Says it is time for ‘decisive’ talks with Asif Ali Zardari*

LAHORE: The intelligence agencies of the country are responsible for the creation of parties such as the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz chief Nawaz Sharif said on Tuesday.

Addressing a gathering of supporters in London, he said that the agencies were far busier with interfering in the political affairs of the country than they were in conducting their actual jobs, Geo News reported.

Decisive talks: Reiterating the PML-N’s demands of an independent judiciary, reinstatement of sacked judges and an end to military intervention in politics, the PML-N chief said that the time had come for decisive talks with Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari.

“We are a sovereign nuclear power. Our parliament should be independent,” he said, adding that no dictation should be taken from any foreign power, Online reported. He said Zardari should act according to the plan he had promised to the PML-N, adding that he wanted to see the ruling alliance remain intact.

Referring to Musharraf, he said that those who violate the constitution must be tried on treason charges, adding that Musharraf had tried his best to destroy the PML-N but failed.

According to the channel, Nawaz said that he was still committed to the promises he had made before the elections, adding that the country was more important to him than holding onto the corridors of power. He said that while the ruling coalition had not been able to fulfil the people’s expectations due to its own shortcomings, the nation should not feel disappointed, as the sacked judges would soon be reinstated. daily times monitor/agencies

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Re: MQM a by product of agencies: Nawaz

And Nawaz a by product of Zia. Zia ka laal.

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What about PML-N? Did Zia not pamper Nawaz himself?

He is the child who cries wolf. Would Nawaz Sharif return all the money he obtained through politicial influence from banks? Would he be okay with independent accountability of his own assets?

Talking the talk is very easy but walking is where the challenge is. I agree that MQM was created by agencies and so was he supported by them too. Using judiciary to score brownie points or pull someone pants off isn't going to take him farther. He needs to prove that he is "changed man" by returning all the fraudulent money he has by facing all the charges in courts otherwise he is only a "deranged man". Sorry if I digressed.

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MQM and Nawaz are really step brothers. Same father different mothers.

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Pakistan main tamam siyasatdano ki nani aik hi hai, army. kiya mqm, ml(n), ppp, ji, etc.

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Re: MQM a by product of agencies: Nawaz

Saying Zia was the 'agencies' is pretty absurd because Zia and intelligence were two different things, both literally and figuratively.

Again, I hope you guys realize that our parliament should be the one making important decisions, not these intelligence agencies, who have gone a step further to make sure any powerful party is curtailed and challenged by rogue parties such as the MQM.

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I wholeheartedly agree, agencies should not have any influence in politics. Their job should be towards saving Pakistan and not create/support politicial parties within. If they want any part then it should be supporting judiciary/NAB by keeping an eye on il-practices of politicians, armed forces, law enforcement etc.

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True, I believe even with all the civilian govt screwups since 1947, had these agencies not manipulated things, we would have been much much better off. Its like working for a comparatively meager pay for 60+ years without interruption, you do get somewhere decently, afterall.

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Zia was military and the intelligence agency's leadership is military. These senior officers move back and forth between the regular military and intelligence... they are one and the same. Indeed, the ISI head is replaced with a new army man every couple of years.

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The intelligence runs parallel to the military, and is a loose cannon. The military has no control over it, infact, the agencies control the military.

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That is inconsistent with the fact that every 2-3 years (apart from during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan) a new army 3-star general gets to take charge of ISI. This clearly shows that the army ensures it retains control and that no head of ISI gets to run his own private agenda.... his career's future is determined back in the regular army.

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Yet they managed to run their own private agendas! haha! As of now, Musharraf's nephew Taj is running the ISI, speaks alot about how things are run there. Even now the whole worlds pointing fingers at them for the Indian embassy attack, amidst the double sided games the ISI is playing, and our Govt is clueless as to whats going on.

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Re: MQM a by product of agencies: Nawaz

Has Nawaz forgotten that it was the same agencies that created the Islami Jamhoori Ittehad (IJI) that brought him to prominence?

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If Musharraf's own nephew is running ISI, and if his nephew has no will of his own (unlikely, as he must have been competent enough to be promoted on his own far enough even before Musharraf became COAS) and is just acting out Musharraf's instructions, that would do nothing but strengthen my case that the ISI is an extension of the military.

Whoever heads the ISI is free to shake things up and remove anyone known to be operating rogue.

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:smack: What I am trying to tell you is that it doesnt matter who the head of the ISI is, because its run parallel to the military. So even if the head changes every 3 months or 3 years, makes no difference.

Also, you are wrong yet again, he was promoted AFTER Musharraf was COAS :hehe:

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I think what he means is that he was agreeing with you that Taj was promoted as chief in Musharraf time but Taj got to the point of promotion before that (not sure how many jumps he got post 1999 to the point he became eligible for top ISI post). It is also possible that ISI is running amock with army’s backing.

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All I remember is that Taj (who was a neighbour) and Big Belly Qureshi became Generals soon after Mush took power.

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101% agreed.:) The only difference is that Nawaz and his party evolved as a genuine political party where as Altaf and his MQM is a terrorist party or a pressure group of Karachi and Hyderabad, wants to rule by hook or crook. Ziaul Haq created this party by making a NY taxi driver its leader and the his party continued to thrive in Mush's rule.

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I don't want to defend MQM's terrorism but Nawaz wanted to rule by hook and crook too, don't forget his comrades rampaging/hooligan in SC.

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Not any more. I think he had already appologised for attacking sc. His statements are quite balanced and fit to be a leader of any political party. He should be PM of Pakistan rather than Gilani whose strings are controlled somewhere else.