Most Persecuted Religions in History

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During the Delhi sultanate almost all of northern India was in their control, why is that east Bengal converted while Delhi, UP,Bihar and West Bengal remained Hindu dominated?

Castes played a big reason for conversions in Punjab, many researches have been done to that respect. We need to see about the rise of Sikhism as well, maybe the caste system was very entrenched in the social fabric of the province. That is the reason when Sufis preached,people converted. Another reason is the religion of punjab has always been the religion being followed in Kabul, before it used to be Buddhism, then Hinduism and in the last Islam.

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Islam in Bangladesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the opening years of the 13th century, the Muslim conquest of Bengal took place, mainly as a sequel to Muhammad Ghori’s expeditions late in 1192 spanning northern India. Syed Shanasiruddin was originally from Iraq but came to Bangladesh to spread Islam. Early Arab Muslims however established commercial as well as religious contacts within the region before the conquest, mainly through the coastal regions as traders and primarily via the ports of Chittagong. Arab navigation in the region was the result of the Muslim reign over the Indus delta.[9]](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/#cite_note-histglo-8) The activities of the Muslims were expanded along the entire coast of South Asia including the coasts of Bengal. The religion of Islam entered the region in many different ways, the Muslim traders, the Turkish conquest and, the missionary activities of the Muslim Sufis.citation needed] One of the authentications of the Arab traders present in the region was the writings of Arab geographers, found on the Meghna River located near Sandwip on the Bay of Bengal. This evidence suggests that the Arab traders had arrived along the Bengal coast long before the Turkish conquest. The Arab writers also knew about the kingdoms of Samrup and Ruhmi, the latter being identified with the empire of Dharmapal of the Pala Empire.

Between the 8th century and 12th century, the Buddhist dynasty known as the Pala Empire ruled Bengal. During that time, the majority of the population in Bengal were thought to be Buddhists. After the decline of the Pala dynasty, the Sena dynasty came to power. **The large scale conversion to Islam began in the 13th century and continued for hundreds of years. Conversion was generally collective rather than individual. Islam attracted numerous Buddhists and Hindus. Sufis were responsible for most conversions.[9]](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/#cite_note-histglo-8) During Ikhtiyar Uddin Bakhtiyar Khilji’s control of the Bengal, Muslim missionaries in India achieved their greatest success, in terms of number of converts to Islam.[10]](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/#cite_note-9)
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Before the conquest by the Muslims, Sylhet was ruled by local chieftains. In 1303 the saint, Hazrat Shah Jalal, came to Sylhet from Delhi with a band of 360 disciples to preach Islam and defeated the Raja Gour Gobinda. As a result, Sylhet developed into a region that was home to numerous saints and Islamic shrines[11] His uncle, Sheikh Kabir, one day gave Shah Jalal a handful of earth and asked him to travel to Hindustan with the instruction that he should settle down at whichever place in Hindustan whose soil matched completely in smell and color, and devote his life for the propagation and establishment of Islam there.[12]](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/#cite_note-Banglapedia_-_Shah_Jalal-11) Shah Jalal journeyed eastward and reached India in 1300, where he met with many great scholars and mystics.

**He arrived at Ajmer, where he met the great Sufi mystic and scholar, Pir Khawaja Gharibnawaz Muinuddin Hasan Chisty, who is credited with much of the spread of Islam in India. In Delhi, he met with Nizamuddin Auliya, another major Sufi mystic and scholar.[12]](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/#cite_note-Banglapedia_-_Shah_Jalal-11). A great fight between shah jalal and raja goour gobinda was held and shahjalal defeated gour gobinda. A university name of Hazrat Shahjalal has established at Sylhet. During the later stages of his life, Shah Jalal devoted himself to propagating Islam to the masses. Under his guidance, many thousands of Hindus and Buddhists converted to Islam. Shah Jalal become so renowned that even the famed Ibn Battuta, whilst in Chittagong, was asked to change his plans and go to Sylhet to visit him. On his way to Sylhet, Ibn Batuta was greeted by several of Shah Jalal’s disciples who had come to assist him on his journey many days before he had arrived. Once in the presence of Shah Jalal, Ibn Batuta noted that Shah Jalal was tall and lean, fair in complexion and lived by the masjed in a cave, where his only item of value was a goat from which he extracted milk, butter, and yogurt. He observed that the companions of the sheikh were foreign and known for their strength and bravery. He also mentions that many people would visit the sheikh and seek guidance.[13]](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/#cite_note-Ghosh-12) Shah Jalal was therefore instrumental in the spread of Islam throughout north east India including Assam.

**Sufi masters were the single most important factor in South Asian conversions to Islam, particularly in Bangladesh. Most Bangladeshi Muslims are influenced by Sufism.

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What a great thread. Very nicely done guys.

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Not sure what you are agreeing with but I never said that the conversion to Islam was due to Hindu caste system. On the contrary, I maintain that Islam (for the most part) spread in the subcontinent through force.

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:asa:

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What does Romila Thapar say on this?

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^ Indian and Pakistani/Muslim historians can be biased.

I recommend you read "The Story of Civilization" by American historian Will Durant. Chapter 6 in the book specifically deals with "The Muslim Conquest of India".

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What about Karen Armstrong? Do you also consider her as biased?

Why Romila is considered bias, when he accounts of Muslim periods are quite nearer to our very own chacha Nehru?

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It all depends on whose version you believe. There are two schools of thought on most of history, and there are believers on either side.

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Tipu sultan did not seem to have any qualms of the reverse happening when he boasted in letters how he forcibly converted lakhs of hindus.

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Sindh seemed to be more peaceful at the time of partition unlike punjab and Bengal which is all the more surprising why most reports of forced conversions esp of Hindu girls are coming in from present day Sindh not Punjab. Has the society become more fundamentalist today?

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Baha'i s have been persecuted a lot mostly in Iran and a few other countries as well .

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This is what Will Durant the renowned historian had to say about civilization and religion. Anybody agree/disagree with it ?

"Hence a certain tension between religion and society marks the higher stages of every civilization. Religion begins by offering magical aid to harassed and bewildered men; it culminates by giving to a people that unity of morals and belief which seems so favorable to statesmanship and art; it ends by fighting suicidally in the lost cause of the past. For as knowledge grows or alters continually, it clashes with mythology and theology, which change with geological leisureliness. Priestly control of arts and letters is then felt as a galling shackle or hateful barrier, and intellectual history takes on the character of a "conflict between science and religion." Institutions which were at first in the hands of the clergy, like law and punishment, education and morals, marriage and divorce, tend to escape from ecclesiastical control, and become secular, perhaps profane. The intellectual classes abandon the ancient theology and—after some hesitation—the moral code allied with it; literature and philosophy become anticlerical. The movement of liberation rises to an exuberant worship of reason, and falls to a paralyzing disillusionment with every dogma and every idea. Conduct, deprived of its religious supports, deteriorates into epicurean chaos; and life itself, shorn of consoling faith, becomes a burden alike to conscious poverty and to weary wealth. In the end a society and its religion tend to fall together, like body and soul, in a harmonious death. Meanwhile among the oppressed another myth arises, gives new form to human hope, new courage to human effort, and after centuries of chaos builds another civilization."

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We have discussed it in detail in another thread that a few incidents in upper Sindh don't represent overall Sindhi society.

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So you believe on Will Durant, who support version authenticating religious persecution in sub-continent, but consider Romila Thapar, Karen Armstrong and to an extent Jawahar Lal Nehru biased, who portray situation otherwise. :hmmm:

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I think we need a separate thread on Tipu Sultan, as we have only heard about his role as a freedom fighter.

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I read somewhere that Bahai's are not allowed to participate in politics due to religious restrictions. May be this is one the reasons for their persecution.

BTW, what is the history behind such persecution? What are the beliefs of Bahais?

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We touched upon it yes. I think you mentioned that muslim women were also facing problems and not just Hindu women (?) So if womenhood is being supressed here, what is the stance of the society. Are there any protests to stop such a thing ? Don't get me wrong, we had a similar but not the same problem in India where the Khap Panchyats were trying to enforce their funda outlook supporting honour killings in cases of love marriages. They were roundly criticized by the rest of the intelligentsia and steps were supposedly taken to prevent kangaroo courts establishing themselves. How far this is successful only time will tell.
The sindhi hindus who migrate to India cite oppression and bigotry of pakistani muslims which forced them to migrate. They live in hovels in India and cannot find a job easily because they are not citizens. Even if they are economic migrants, I don't see how their lives have improved in India. They still refuse to go back. The pakistani govt of course denies it. The United Nationsconfirms that persecution is being taking place. The refugees are not handful, it is slowly becoming a flood. What steps is the Govt and society at large taking to ensure safety of minorities ? Have abductors (of either muslim or hindu girls) been arrested and convicted ? Have laws been put into place ?

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Sure . We can open a new thread and discuss his life, achievements , bravery against the British and his religious bigotry as well as religious generosity.

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Bahai’ faith originated in Iran and is monotheistic. They want to be considered as a separate religion but Iran considers them as apostates and persecutes them. I think Egypt recognized them as a separate religion way back in 1920s. What little i read about their beliefs seemed thoughtful and nice IMO. So I don’t know why they are so hated.

Persecution of Bahá’ís - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia