Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Masjid had an important valley but soviets still passed through. Warlords are only loyal to themselves.
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Taliban simply does not have the resource and strength to take over Pakistan.
don't underestimate the Afghan Talibs, they were in power for a couple years in the past..........
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
So you think they will take over islamabad? Now who is being a typical indian? :D
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
ooopps i was talking about afghan taliban and afghanistan, i don’t know why you all are talking about j&k and pak taliban, pak and everything else 
read his comment too fast, mistake tha:bummer:
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Well you did reply to his post about taliban not able to take over Pakistan by saying that taliban are powerful
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Well you did reply to his post about taliban not able to take over Pakistan by saying that taliban are powerful
arrey dost, i was talking about afghan taliban taking over power in afghanistan, you know the topic of the thread, they were in power for a number of years weren't they, correct me if i'm wrong
i don't know why he was talking about pak taliban taking over pakistan, you guys are totally going allllll over the place in this thread, fooooocuuusss :p
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Probably coz most of us have a deeply ingrained religious perspective (to me its more cultural than islamic) and in that perspective the afghani taliban fit perfectly.
though what i can never swallow is why americans act like peace thaikedaars for every country, they create an even greater mess by their meddeling
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
The orignal Taliban thats is Mullah Omar and his followers not TTP never even have intended to take over pakistan their only concern is getting rid of foriegn forces and now a days they are even saying if the Afghan goverment assures them that they will take care of some issues after and America and Nato is gone than they even dont want to take over
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
don't underestimate the Afghan Talibs, they were in power for a couple years in the past..........
Nisha,do not confuse yourself with Afghan Taliban and Pak Taliban.Ofcourse the T.T.P is getting support from Afghan Taliban and there is not doubt about it.but they will are not in a position to launch a grand scale of offensive against a force that's one of the largest forces in the world. The Pak army can not and will nost side with T.T.P in any such move and T.T.P simply does not have any kind of resource,as I mentioned above, to take over Islamabad. To take over a country ,there needs to be logistical,financial,and arms and ammunition assistance that too ina very large scale.
In Afghanistan the entire picture was different.There were a myriad number of warring factions.The capital Kabul itself was changed hands several times.It was easy for Taliban to take over Kabul with the help of I.S.I and others.
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Actually no. He was not given enough support and we favored Hekmatyar and Haqqani who actually did the fighting. Masood was a brilliant tactician but he won no battles because nobody supported him from even within his own country.
The I.S.I turned against him and was supporting Hekmatyar and Haqqani forces post Soviet withdrawal times. Mr.Shah Masood was an ardent opposer of I.S.I and he was being assisted by R.A.W and western intelligence .But he held the strategic Panjshir vlley for a great deal of time.
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
He only turned because he wasn't given a bone like what happened to imran after 2002. Pakistan should have maintained ties with all groups, incl. Old clients like masood, but i guess the pathan influence in the military didn't allow that to happen. A broad based mujaddadi led alliance would have served pakistan better.
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Nisha,do not confuse yourself with Afghan Taliban and Pak Taliban.Ofcourse the T.T.P is getting support from Afghan Taliban and there is not doubt about it.but they will are not in a position to launch a grand scale of offensive against a force that's one of the largest forces in the world. The Pak army can not and will nost side with T.T.P in any such move and T.T.P simply does not have any kind of resource,as I mentioned above, to take over Islamabad. To take over a country ,there needs to be logistical,financial,and arms and ammunition assistance that too ina very large scale.
In Afghanistan the entire picture was different.There were a myriad number of warring factions.The capital Kabul itself was changed hands several times.It was easy for Taliban to take over Kabul with the help of I.S.I and others.
i wasn't confusing the afghan taliban with the pak taliban. i just read your comment too fast.i wasn't even talking about pak taliban taking over pakistan, that i know would never happen. the afghan taliban have plenty of ammunition, arms and financial support....i'm talking when the troops finally do pull out in the near future
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
why should our people care about the 'world'?? we got f'ed up saving the 'world' from communism.....and playing the role of mentoring the 'extremism'..all that death destruction n whatnot........??
India pakistan war can NOT be caused by anybody except the two countries themselves...
the thing fueling Taliban n Alqaeda support is the fact that they are 'fighting the invaders'.........if there are no invaders......they won't have much to fight for.... pakistani taliban also use 'america collaborater' as the principal excuse to attack pakistan..........
it is a possibility that taliban of all sorts get together in afghanistan and try to 'talibanize' pakistan.......but that is less likely as per perception here... and if the americans leave some sort of coalition govt or structure when they leave...things wouldn't go as bad ...
Can you please explain, why there was widespread support for Taliban, in Pakistan before 9/11, before the occupation??
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
I am not rtefuting that they have got arms,ammunitions and financial support.But that’s not enough to take on a large military force.Moreover do you think Washington will allow such a scenario?
BTW:Where do you think the troops will pull out from? 
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
they wont fight for j&k unless a)kashmiris want shariah b)kashmiris and or india fights them afaik
The trouble is Taliban is not your Restaurant waiter, they don't ask before they serve. They will try to serve Sharia to both Kashmir and Pakistan, whether they like it or not (it's another story it's the choice for more people today than say 15 years ago).
The biggest threat is not just Taliban. It looks like the local militant groups indigenous to Punjab seem to be more driven and organized these days. With Taliban in power in Afghanistan they will be embolden to pursue their agenda, which is Kashmir and for which they will not hesitate to do anything. As we all know, where that would lead to. Another PM begging America to intervene and another General or the same General taking over.
Egypt should inspire Pakistanis. They both have lot of similarities, Islamic nations, with origins in ancient civilizations. For all his sins, Mubarak has done one good thing, either it's a byproduct of his pro-western tilt or intentionally he allowed the western thinking education to thrive, which is the root cause of this current movement. He could have perpetuated Israel bogie forever.
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
The I.S.I turned against him and was supporting Hekmatyar and Haqqani forces post Soviet withdrawal times. Mr.Shah Masood was an ardent opposer of I.S.I and he was being assisted by R.A.W and western intelligence .But he held the strategic Panjshir vlley for a great deal of time.
Have you been to the Panjshir valley? Its smaller than Delhi. And the reason why he was given no support is because he had no support amongst his own people during the 1980s and he rarely won any fights. That is why Haqqani and Hekmatyar are still fighting and winning against the US even now.
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Nisha,do not confuse yourself with Afghan Taliban and Pak Taliban.Ofcourse the T.T.P is getting support from Afghan Taliban and there is not doubt about it.but they will are not in a position to launch a grand scale of offensive against a force that's one of the largest forces in the world. The Pak army can not and will nost side with T.T.P in any such move and T.T.P simply does not have any kind of resource,as I mentioned above, to take over Islamabad. To take over a country ,there needs to be logistical,financial,and arms and ammunition assistance that too ina very large scale.
In Afghanistan the entire picture was different.There were a myriad number of warring factions.The capital Kabul itself was changed hands several times.It was easy for Taliban to take over Kabul with the help of I.S.I and others.
You don't need huge moden fighting force to take over a country, with less than one third of the population strongly supporting a cause, they can take over. In all these countries where we are seeing agitation today, not even 20% population came to street. If Taliban comes to power in Afghanistan and say local militants lead agitation and bring 20 % population to street and they fight pitched battle with government, the result would not bode well for Pakistan. All the hate Pakistanis have today for India and American (hate for america is two fold, NWFP for being anti-Phustun, rest for being pro-India), their best option is go into induced coma about Kashmir and heal the wounds get back and see what happens. (it's actually done in medical practice to cure some severe trauma cases).
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Have you been to the Panjshir valley? Its smaller than Delhi. And the reason why he was given no support is because he had no support amongst his own people during the 1980s and he rarely won any fights. That is why Haqqani and Hekmatyar are still fighting and winning against the US even now.
No I have not been to Afghanistan.
Mr.Masood was a pragmatic leader and the situation was not just conduisive for him to win over Taliban.Just see how the Northern ASlliance could take over Kabul once the U.S stikes began
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As regards to hekmatyar and Haqqani side, that's the evil created.Now it has become a detrimential to peace in the region.
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
You don't need huge moden fighting force to take over a country, with less than one third of the population strongly supporting a cause, they can take over. In all these countries where we are seeing agitation today, not even 20% population came to street. If Taliban comes to power in Afghanistan and say local militants lead agitation and bring 20 % population to street and they fight pitched battle with government, the result would not bode well for Pakistan. All the hate Pakistanis have today for India and American (hate for america is two fold, NWFP for being anti-Phustun, rest for being pro-India), their best option is go into induced coma about Kashmir and heal the wounds get back and see what happens. (it's actually done in medical practice to cure some severe trauma cases).
In country like Pakistan,where military is strong and can be ready to face any threat,it is going to be highly unlikely thing.Sure,Talibn can not take over Pakistan in the presetn conditions.As regarsd to people coming to street,you may have made a point.But the chances are Nil.
Re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
No I have not been to Afghanistan.
Mr.Masood was a pragmatic leader and the situation was not just conduisive for him to win over Taliban.Just see how the Northern ASlliance could take over Kabul once the U.S stikes began . As regards to hekmatyar and Haqqani side, that's the evil created.Now it has become a detrimential to peace in the region.
I am talking of the 1980s. Masood was a brilliant tactician. But he had no fighters. So few they didn't even count. He was fully supported in the 1980s. Just like everybody else. The ISI and the American's stopped supporting him when he couldn't win battles against the Russians.